Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 For the last couple weeks or so, I have been experiencing on/off acute itching on the sides and lower abdominal areas resulting in dryness, flaking, and a mild rash from itching. I tried changing to a different laundry detergent, but that didn't seem to do it. I know this isn't a dermatology forum, but anyone have any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Are you getting enough Omega-3 fatty acids either via diet (wild salmon, some tuna, mackrel, sardines) or supplements like fish oil? I itch when I'm not getting enough. In a message dated 3/9/2006 4:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, nutrimedent@... writes: For the last couple weeks or so, I have been experiencing on/off acute itching on the sides and lower abdominal areas resulting in dryness, flaking, and a mild rash from itching. I tried changing to a different laundry detergent, but that didn't seem to do it. I know this isn't a dermatology forum, but anyone have any ideas? mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 No, I'm not. I stopped taking fish liver oils of any kind because they can suppress immune function, but perhaps I should be taking it in moderation. In a message dated 3/9/2006 1:15:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, foxhillers@... writes: Are you getting enough Omega-3 fatty acids either via diet (wild salmon, some tuna, mackrel, sardines) or supplements like fish oil? I itch when I'm not getting enough. In a message dated 3/9/2006 4:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, nutrimedent@... writes: For the last couple weeks or so, I have been experiencing on/off acute itching on the sides and lower abdominal areas resulting in dryness, flaking, and a mild rash from itching. I tried changing to a different laundry detergent, but that didn't seem to do it. I know this isn't a dermatology forum, but anyone have any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Forgot to mention that I did start taking Udo's Perfected Oil Blend which does not contain any fish liver oil, but does contain the omega 3s as well as 6. Will this do the job in place of the fish liver oils? In a message dated 3/9/2006 1:15:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, foxhillers@... writes: Are you getting enough Omega-3 fatty acids either via diet (wild salmon, some tuna, mackrel, sardines) or supplements like fish oil? I itch when I'm not getting enough. In a message dated 3/9/2006 4:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, nutrimedent@... writes: For the last couple weeks or so, I have been experiencing on/off acute itching on the sides and lower abdominal areas resulting in dryness, flaking, and a mild rash from itching. I tried changing to a different laundry detergent, but that didn't seem to do it. I know this isn't a dermatology forum, but anyone have any ideas? mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:58:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, nutrimedent@... writes: Forgot to mention that I did start taking Udo's Perfected Oil Blend which does not contain any fish liver oil, but does contain the omega 3s as well as 6. Will this do the job in place of the fish liver oils? I get best results with fish oil because they contain more EPA and DHA than does cod liver oil which contains lots of vitamins A and D and only a little EPA and DHA. Try Udo's for a while, you probably get more than enough omega-6 via diet. If it doesn't make a difference, consider switching to fish oil........ not cod liver oil or fish liver oil. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 What is the general cut off point at which the oil starts to suppress immunity? In a message dated 3/9/2006 8:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, foxhillers@... writes: I get best results with fish oil because they contain more EPA and DHA than does cod liver oil which contains lots of vitamins A and D and only a little EPA and DHA. Try Udo's for a while, you probably get more than enough omega-6 via diet. If it doesn't make a difference, consider switching to fish oil........ not cod liver oil or fish liver oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi, Dawn: Hardly any redness; only that which came from prior itching; no raised area or bumps, and no swelling. The skin appears normal, other than very dry and the skin is flaky and is like dandruff. I was using Arm and Hammer, but not the free stuff; it had perfume. This was right around the time the itching started which leads me to think that detergent was the culprit, however, I have since stopped using it and switched to Oxo Brite non-chlorine bleach thinking it was a laundry detergent, so perhaps the residue from the A & H product are still in the clothing? I haved use Dr. Bronner's soaps for years now with no problems, so this is an anomaly starting out of nowhere. Yeast? I sure as hell hope not, as I spent the last 20 years fighting it intestinally and have it under control to the best of my abililties + have not made any major dietary changes. However, anything's possible. Like I said, thought, as of right now, there is no visible rash since I've ceased itching since last night. The last 2 weeks or so the itch comes and goes and doesn't last for more than a few minutes. Also, it is very dry (hardly any humidity) where I live. In addition, I have NOT been taking much in the way of healthy oils lately. In a message dated 3/9/2006 8:57:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, dawnmunn@... writes: You said " mild rash " . Can you describe it? Is it red? raised? bumps? or all over redness? if you have bumps do they have a center? any swelling? You said you switched laundry detergent, to one with no frangrances or dyes?(I use Arm and Hammer Free) What about fabric softener or dryer sheets? They can be deffinate culprites. What about your soap? Are you using a fragrance free sensitive skin soap? (I use Dove). If you are already doing all these things, is there a chance it could be yeast? That sounds like the right area for it. A candida rash will typically will typically appear as bright red spots that come together to form a solid red area with a scalloped border. Candida overgrowth is speculated to be common in CFS/FMS patients. Hope this wasn't too much information! Let me know if I can help anymore (assuming this helped at all). Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 When I had terrible skin itching and flaking earlier in the winter, someone here suggested I try lotion with cocoa butter. I did and it helped tremendously. > In a message dated 3/9/2006 4:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > nutrimedent@... writes: > > For the last couple weeks or so, I have been experiencing on/off acute > itching on the sides and lower abdominal areas resulting in dryness, > flaking, and > a mild rash from itching. I tried changing to a different laundry > detergent, > > but that didn't seem to do it. I know this isn't a dermatology forum, but > anyone have any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 You said " mild rash " . Can you describe it? Is it red? raised? bumps? or all over redness? if you have bumps do they have a center? any swelling? You said you switched laundry detergent, to one with no frangrances or dyes?(I use Arm and Hammer Free) What about fabric softener or dryer sheets? They can be deffinate culprites. What about your soap? Are you using a fragrance free sensitive skin soap? (I use Dove). If you are already doing all these things, is there a chance it could be yeast? That sounds like the right area for it. A candida rash will typically will typically appear as bright red spots that come together to form a solid red area with a scalloped border. Candida overgrowth is speculated to be common in CFS/FMS patients. Hope this wasn't too much information! Let me know if I can help anymore (assuming this helped at all). Dawn >From: nutrimedent@... >Reply- > >Subject: Abdominal itching >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:04:54 EST > >For the last couple weeks or so, I have been experiencing on/off acute >itching on the sides and lower abdominal areas resulting in dryness, >flaking, and >a mild rash from itching. I tried changing to a different laundry >detergent, >but that didn't seem to do it. I know this isn't a dermatology forum, but >anyone have any ideas? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Sorry, I probably should have read all the other posts before I jumped in with this.... Dawn >From: " Dawn Munn " <dawnmunn@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Abdominal itching >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:57:13 -0500 > >You said " mild rash " . Can you describe it? Is it red? raised? bumps? or >all over redness? if you have bumps do they have a center? any swelling? >You >said you switched laundry detergent, to one with no frangrances or dyes?(I >use Arm and Hammer Free) What about fabric softener or dryer sheets? They >can be deffinate culprites. What about your soap? Are you using a >fragrance free sensitive skin soap? (I use Dove). If you are already >doing >all these things, is there a chance it could be yeast? That sounds like >the >right area for it. A candida rash will typically will typically appear as >bright red spots that come together to form a solid red area with a >scalloped border. Candida overgrowth is speculated to be common in CFS/FMS >patients. Hope this wasn't too much information! Let me know if I can >help >anymore (assuming this helped at all). >Dawn > > > >From: nutrimedent@... > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Abdominal itching > >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:04:54 EST > > > >For the last couple weeks or so, I have been experiencing on/off acute > >itching on the sides and lower abdominal areas resulting in dryness, > >flaking, and > >a mild rash from itching. I tried changing to a different laundry > >detergent, > >but that didn't seem to do it. I know this isn't a dermatology forum, but > >anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 I know that for me personally, I have to use only fragrance free detergent and NO fabric softeners at all or I will be itchy and break out. Also, the Dove sensitive skin body wash has been a saviour for me. Without it, again, itchy and break out. Any lotions I use also have to be fragrance free. Another thought is that sometimes things we are eating can cause skin irritations. I have a lot of food allergies and recently thought I found some cereal that I could tolerate. After a few weeks, my hands were covered in these tiny, painful blister/bumps. After a couple of months, I finally asked my doctor. She said it was a food allergy. She told me to stop eating the cereal and start taking primrose oil. I am happy to say the bumps are all gone! If you are using lotion, make sure you check the ingredients. I cannot tolerate any gluten (wheat,rye,oats, or barley) to even touch my skin. (This is one of my food allergies). I am not sure if any of this has been helpful, but it is my 2 cents. BTW, if you don't have a rash, yeast is an unlikely culprit. But if a rash like I previously described were to appear... Good luck, let me know if I can be of any more help. Dawn >From: nutrimedent@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Abdominal itching >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:19:22 EST > > >Hi, Dawn: > >Hardly any redness; only that which came from prior itching; no raised area >or bumps, and no swelling. The skin appears normal, other than very dry and >the skin is flaky and is like dandruff. I was using Arm and Hammer, but >not >the free stuff; it had perfume. This was right around the time the itching >started which leads me to think that detergent was the culprit, however, I >have >since stopped using it and switched to Oxo Brite non-chlorine bleach >thinking >it was a laundry detergent, so perhaps the residue from the A & H product >are >still in the clothing? I haved use Dr. Bronner's soaps for years now with >no >problems, so this is an anomaly starting out of nowhere. Yeast? I sure as >hell hope not, as I spent the last 20 years fighting it intestinally and >have it >under control to the best of my abililties + have not made any major >dietary >changes. However, anything's possible. Like I said, thought, as of right >now, > there is no visible rash since I've ceased itching since last night. The >last 2 weeks or so the itch comes and goes and doesn't last for more than >a few >minutes. Also, it is very dry (hardly any humidity) where I live. In >addition, I have NOT been taking much in the way of healthy oils lately. > >In a message dated 3/9/2006 8:57:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, >dawnmunn@... writes: > >You said " mild rash " . Can you describe it? Is it red? raised? bumps? or >all over redness? if you have bumps do they have a center? any swelling? >You >said you switched laundry detergent, to one with no frangrances or dyes?(I >use Arm and Hammer Free) What about fabric softener or dryer sheets? >They >can be deffinate culprites. What about your soap? Are you using a >fragrance free sensitive skin soap? (I use Dove). If you are already >doing >all these things, is there a chance it could be yeast? That sounds like >the >right area for it. A candida rash will typically will typically appear as >bright red spots that come together to form a solid red area with a >scalloped border. Candida overgrowth is speculated to be common in >CFS/FMS >patients. Hope this wasn't too much information! Let me know if I can >help >anymore (assuming this helped at all). >Dawn > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Which oil? Fish oil or cod liver oil? Cod (fish) LIVER oil's vitamins A and D and said to boost immunity. Can you supply some detail on immunity suppression? In a message dated 3/9/2006 11:48:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, nutrimedent@... writes: What is the general cut off point at which the oil starts to suppress immunity? In a message dated 3/9/2006 8:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, foxhillers@... writes: I get best results with fish oil because they contain more EPA and DHA than does cod liver oil which contains lots of vitamins A and D and only a little EPA and DHA. Try Udo's for a while, you probably get more than enough omega-6 via diet. If it doesn't make a difference, consider switching to fish oil........ not cod liver oil or fish liver oil. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 If you do a pubmed search on EPA, DHA and immunity, you will find a plethora of research on how fish oil can suppress immunity, however, I believe there is a cut off point to this. Part of the benefit of having an natural anti-inflammatory ingredient is its ability to suppress immune response (e.g. inflammation), so, in effect, it's a double-edged sword in that, if you go too far on the dosage (which I don't know), it can suppress NK cells, T-cells, etc. In a message dated 3/10/2006 3:28:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, foxhillers@... writes: Which oil? Fish oil or cod liver oil? Cod (fish) LIVER oil's vitamins A and D and said to boost immunity. Can you supply some detail on immunity suppression? In a message dated 3/9/2006 11:48:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, nutrimedent@... writes: What is the general cut off point at which the oil starts to suppress immunity? In a message dated 3/9/2006 8:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, foxhillers@... writes: I get best results with fish oil because they contain more EPA and DHA than does cod liver oil which contains lots of vitamins A and D and only a little EPA and DHA. Try Udo's for a while, you probably get more than enough omega-6 via diet. If it doesn't make a difference, consider switching to fish oil........ not cod liver oil or fish liver oil. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 My doc told me to take 9 grams of fish oil a day. I've done this now several years and have only seen benefit. Last summer, I increased the ratio of DHA to EPA at the recommendation of another doc. THis, too, has been beneficial. During the winter I also sometimes take cod liver oil to support my immune system with it's vitamins A and D. When you do a pubmed search, no doubt you will find the research to support the above. THis has been my experience. I have come to really value the omega-3 fatty acids mjh In a message dated 3/10/2006 3:47:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, nutrimedent@... writes: If you do a pubmed search on EPA, DHA and immunity, you will find a plethora of research on how fish oil can suppress immunity, however, I believe there is a cut off point to this. Part of the benefit of having an natural anti-inflammatory ingredient is its ability to suppress immune response (e.g. inflammation), so, in effect, it's a double-edged sword in that, if you go too far on the dosage (which I don't know), it can suppress NK cells, T-cells, etc. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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