Re: Fish oil / mjh

[Guest guest]

It means that each gram of that fish oil contains 180 mg of EPA and 120 mg

of DHA. That's the standard amount The EPA and DHA are components of the

fish oil, they are no added to the fish oil. EPA and DHA are the omega-3 fatty

acid components of fish oil.

So when I take 9 to 10 grams of fish oil, I get atout 1.8 grams of EPA and

1.2 grams of DHA, but since at this point my brains needs more DHA, I take

additional DHA and a bit less fish oil..... it's the balance thing you know.

Horse trainers used to give their fancy horses glucosamine sulfate for their

joints and somewhere along the line a trainer with arthritis took some to

see if it would help his arthritis like it helped his horse. It did now lots

of people benefit from this veterinary supplement.

My oldest cat gets fish oil and glucosamine as well as nutritional yeast to

support his aging body.

Fluffy's getting some fish oil in her plain yoghurt now. She needs the

calcium and protein as she's nursing seven and the fish oil is both inducement

and ntrition.

mjh

In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:17:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

kcapel@... writes:

mjh, what milligram (mg) amounts of EPA and DHA are in your fish oil

capsules? How much do you take every day, if I may ask?

I'm staring at my bottle of fish oil, and it says Natural Fish Oil

Concentrate 1000 mg, EPA 180 mg, and DHA 120 mg. But the way it's listed

on the label, it gives the impression that the 180 and 120 are PART of the

1000 for the " fish oil concentrate. " I'm not sure how to even interpret

this label!

Does this mean that the 180 and 120 are part of the 1000? Does it mean

that the 180 and 120 are in addition to the 1000? And, in fact, what IS

" natural fish oil concentrate " ? What does that really mean? I'm

confused. Suddenly I feel like I'm trying to read some covert foreign

language.

This was a lot easier, before, when I was giving it to aging arthritic dogs

just cuz I thought it was a good thing....before I thought it might be a

good thing for aging arthritic me, too, and decided I needed to understand

the blasted label. Nuts. Can anyone explain this to me, please?

the one in Champaign IL

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:37:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

kcapel@... writes:

mjh...

If 180 mg of EPA and 120 mg of DHA are part of the 1 gram (1000 mg)

of fish oil, then what's the remaining 700 mg of the fish oil?

>>>> Why don't you contact a company like Carlson's Labs and ask that

question.

If this is a standard capsule, then how do you take extra DHA and

less fish oil? Is there a DHA capsule that's only the DHA...alone,

without anything else in it?

>>>>> I take Max DHA. A 600 mg gelcap contains 250 mg DHA and only 36 mg of

EPA

There are studies that show that DHA is more " brain " than EPA? I'm

just not familiar with this.

>>>> Let your fingers do the typing, there are lots of studies on both EPA

and DHA. They have different functions. DHA is especially important for

baby's brains as well as compromised brains.

With all my primitive thinking, I was further confused because I

thought that EPA was omega-3 and DHA was omega-6! Oh-oh. Where do

we get omega-6 and what are the appropriate proportions of that?

>>> Ever heard of meat and most fats and oils? That's where the omega-6s

are. Most Americans are out of balance for Omega-3,6,9 with way too much

omega-6 and way too little omega-3s. Kinda like Magnesium. Most people have

way

too much Calcium and not enough Magnesium..... out of balance.

I would like to know, off list perhaps?, how you get a cat to try

plain yogurt (much less with fish oil added!). I put it out and it

sits there. The cats look at it, and then at me like I'm trying to

poison them, and then they walk away. ( " Ohhh, silly human...we're

not falling into this trap! " ) Further, I have a murderous time

getting any of this down my one remaining old woofer.

>>> I serve Fluffy about 1/2 cup plain yoghurt and sprinkle some fish oil on

top of it or sometimes some tuna or mackrel. Try also raw hamburger and

chicken livers.

Thanks, mjh.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

mjh...

If 180 mg of EPA and 120 mg of DHA are part of the 1 gram (1000 mg)

of fish oil, then what's the remaining 700 mg of the fish oil?

If this is a standard capsule, then how do you take extra DHA and

less fish oil? Is there a DHA capsule that's only the DHA...alone,

without anything else in it?

There are studies that show that DHA is more " brain " than EPA? I'm

just not familiar with this.

With all my primitive thinking, I was further confused because I

thought that EPA was omega-3 and DHA was omega-6! Oh-oh. Where do

we get omega-6 and what are the appropriate proportions of that?

I would like to know, off list perhaps?, how you get a cat to try

plain yogurt (much less with fish oil added!). I put it out and it

sits there. The cats look at it, and then at me like I'm trying to

poison them, and then they walk away. ( " Ohhh, silly human...we're

not falling into this trap! " ) Further, I have a murderous time

getting any of this down my one remaining old woofer.

Thanks, mjh.

>

>

>

>

>

> It means that each gram of that fish oil contains 180 mg of EPA and

120 mg

> of DHA. That's the standard amount The EPA and DHA are components

of the

> fish oil, they are no added to the fish oil. EPA and DHA are the

omega-3 fatty

> acid components of fish oil.

>

> So when I take 9 to 10 grams of fish oil, I get atout 1.8 grams of

EPA and

> 1.2 grams of DHA, but since at this point my brains needs more DHA,

I take

> additional DHA and a bit less fish oil..... it's the balance thing

you know.

>

> Horse trainers used to give their fancy horses glucosamine sulfate

for their

> joints and somewhere along the line a trainer with arthritis took

some to

> see if it would help his arthritis like it helped his horse. It

did now lots

> of people benefit from this veterinary supplement.

>

> My oldest cat gets fish oil and glucosamine as well as nutritional

yeast to

> support his aging body.

>

> Fluffy's getting some fish oil in her plain yoghurt now. She

needs the

> calcium and protein as she's nursing seven and the fish oil is

both inducement

> and ntrition.

>

> mjh

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, mjh, for tickling the neurons and receptors and helping to

repave some of the neural pathways that have fallen into disrepair.

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:37:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> kcapel@... writes:

>

> mjh...

>

> If 180 mg of EPA and 120 mg of DHA are part of the 1 gram (1000

mg)

> of fish oil, then what's the remaining 700 mg of the fish oil?

>

> >>>> Why don't you contact a company like Carlson's Labs and ask

that

> question.

>

>

>

> If this is a standard capsule, then how do you take extra DHA and

> less fish oil? Is there a DHA capsule that's only the

DHA...alone,

> without anything else in it?

> >>>>> I take Max DHA. A 600 mg gelcap contains 250 mg DHA and

only 36 mg of

> EPA

>

>

>

> There are studies that show that DHA is more " brain " than EPA?

I'm

> just not familiar with this.

>

> >>>> Let your fingers do the typing, there are lots of studies on

both EPA

> and DHA. They have different functions. DHA is especially

important for

> baby's brains as well as compromised brains.

>

>

>

> With all my primitive thinking, I was further confused because I

> thought that EPA was omega-3 and DHA was omega-6! Oh-oh. Where

do

> we get omega-6 and what are the appropriate proportions of that?

>

> >>> Ever heard of meat and most fats and oils? That's where the

omega-6s

> are. Most Americans are out of balance for Omega-3,6,9 with way

too much

> omega-6 and way too little omega-3s. Kinda like Magnesium. Most

people have way

> too much Calcium and not enough Magnesium..... out of balance.

>

>

>

> I would like to know, off list perhaps?, how you get a cat to try

> plain yogurt (much less with fish oil added!). I put it out and

it

> sits there. The cats look at it, and then at me like I'm trying

to

> poison them, and then they walk away. ( " Ohhh, silly human...we're

> not falling into this trap! " ) Further, I have a murderous time

> getting any of this down my one remaining old woofer.

> >>> I serve Fluffy about 1/2 cup plain yoghurt and sprinkle some

fish oil on

> top of it or sometimes some tuna or mackrel. Try also raw

hamburger and

> chicken livers.

>

>

>

> Thanks, mjh.

>

>

>

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

[Guest guest]

For me the correct balance is more GLA to EPA / DHA

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

I would comncetrate on clearing your toxins from your system first and them

slooking into your bodys correct EFA balance. Personally I think one shouldnt

do to crazy with omega3 sources - experiment and get your own balance

correct.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

If you take Flax oil your body will convert what it needs ie EPA or DHA .

Regards

Cs

[Guest guest]

CS

I started Budwig's flaxseed oil regime about 15 months into my treatment for

EBV and CMV with officinalis tincture and was seeing reponse to that.

I had been taking the cofactors you listed. After on the flaxseed/yoghurt

for several months, I felt a real imbalance between Ca/Mg and this is when I

found the solution for me. Magnesium in liquid form instead of caps or tabs.

At that point (2001) I was taking 10 or more grams of C a day, B-100 complex

with extra B6 three times a day, close of 100mg of Zinc. I had been taking

these for years previous.

So, there has to be something else. I ate the flaxseed oil three times a

day until mid 2004. But only saw the improvement when the fish oil was added.

I think that was early 2002 or so.

In a message dated 3/12/2006 7:54:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bhammanuk@... writes:

Hi

Sometime the enzyme may not be functioning because of a latent virus ie EBV

or they may be some other deficiency with co factors ie magnesium , Vit C ,

B

vits and Zinc.

Regards

CS

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

mjh

I started Budwig's flaxseed oil regime about 15 months into my treatment

for

EBV and CMV with officinalis tincture and was seeing reponse to

that.

****I have first flushed out my toxins and then added the oils and see

benefit.

I had been taking the cofactors you listed. After on the flaxseed/yoghurt

for several months, I felt a real imbalance between Ca/Mg and this is when

I

found the solution for me. Magnesium in liquid form instead of caps or tabs.

*** I take Concentrace for Mg and it does make a difference along with the

other Co factors.

At that point (2001) I was taking 10 or more grams of C a day, B-100

complex

with extra B6 three times a day, close of 100mg of Zinc. I had been taking

these for years previous.

So, there has to be something else. I ate the flaxseed oil three times a

day until mid 2004. But only saw the improvement when the fish oil was

added.

I think that was early 2002 or so.

** Yes I dont doubt that Fish oil has a better conversion rate. In my case

Ive found before adding nutrients I have to flush out my toxins before seeing

real benefit from oils. I have discovered that its better to get at the root

issue than just suppressing inflammation issues.

** I had a great reponse with Fish oil also for about a year and felt the

best that i had ever had. But After about a year the good results stopped - my

hunch was that I was just supressing the inflammation ( PLA 2 ) and not

gettting to the root - which is raising Glutathione. From my own experience

back

then and now - I do better on a higher ratio of GLA than EPA or DHA.

kane explains this is in her Detoxx book ( there is a link on this too

i

think ) .

Regards

CS

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

CS

I am not familiar with Kane's detox work, but 'detox' has been a part of my

life for a long time, but I will not do chelation for heavy metals as for me I

think it is too dangerous.

I agree with fixing the underlying problem. I do not feel that inflammation

in my case is suppressed. Given what I've come to learn about glutathione

on this list over the years and seeing my own improvement, I have to conclude

that Glutathione got raised in my body

When I plateau on something, I consider whether the underlying problem has

been brought back into balance and so the supplement is no longer needed at

that level OR it is time for another increase to see if more benefits are

possible.

I can tell within days when my brain needs more DHA (i've not been too

compliant lately) And, the cognitive disfunction is my greatest challenge.

THe fatty acids need to be in balance. I have six pints of unopened

flaxseed oil here, by the way. I do continue to incorporate freshly ground

flaxseed

into my daily diet as they have nutritional value not found in their oils.

mjh

In a message dated 3/12/2006 8:37:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bhammanuk@... writes:

** Yes I dont doubt that Fish oil has a better conversion rate. In my case

Ive found before adding nutrients I have to flush out my toxins before

seeing

real benefit from oils. I have discovered that its better to get at the

root

issue than just suppressing inflammation issues.

** I had a great reponse with Fish oil also for about a year and felt the

best that i had ever had. But After about a year the good results stopped

- my

hunch was that I was just supressing the inflammation ( PLA 2 ) and not

gettting to the root - which is raising Glutathione. From my own

experience back

then and now - I do better on a higher ratio of GLA than EPA or DHA.

kane explains this is in her Detoxx book ( there is a link on this

too i

think ) .

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

mjh,

I am not familiar with Kane's detox work, but 'detox' has been a part of my

life for a long time, but I will not do chelation for heavy metals as for me

I

think it is too dangerous.

*** Nor will I as Im almost fixed What Ive noticed is that for me there

seems to be a definate ORDER in which i need to take the supplements ie.

raise Glutathione then kill off infections then improve adrenals then improve

dysbosis then improve nutrients such as fatty acids and mg etc.

I agree with fixing the underlying problem. I do not feel that

inflammation

in my case is suppressed. Given what I've come to learn about glutathione

on this list over the years and seeing my own improvement, I have to

conclude

that Glutathione got raised in my body

When I plateau on something, I consider whether the underlying problem has

been brought back into balance and so the supplement is no longer needed at

that level OR it is time for another increase to see if more benefits are

possible.

** I tend to carry on taking some of my supps at a maintenance dose once

ive reached the plateau.

I can tell within days when my brain needs more DHA (i've not been too

compliant lately) And, the cognitive disfunction is my greatest challenge.

THe fatty acids need to be in balance. I have six pints of unopened

flaxseed oil here, by the way. I do continue to incorporate freshly ground

flaxseed

into my daily diet as they have nutritional value not found in their oils.

** My cognitive function has returned to near normal - and my announcement

is only a couple of weeks away !!!

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

By the way, on flaxseed, some can't convert it properly.

I rotate fish oils, figuring that way I'll get a variety and if one

brand is a little less good than another...

I use Pharmax, also VitalChoice salmon oil (DELICIOUS), I really can't

stomach the high vitamin cod liver oil I bought that has rosemary. In

fact if anybody wants it let me know. Its been in the fridge. I " m

going to have to switch to Nordic Naturals. But warm weather is coming

so I'll be getting my Vitamin D sitting in the park.

>

>

> mjh

>

> I started Budwig's flaxseed oil regime about 15 months into my

treatment

> for

> EBV and CMV with officinalis tincture and was seeing

reponse to

> that.

>

>

> ****I have first flushed out my toxins and then added the oils and see

> benefit.

>

> I had been taking the cofactors you listed. After on the

flaxseed/yoghurt

> for several months, I felt a real imbalance between Ca/Mg and this

is when

> I

> found the solution for me. Magnesium in liquid form instead of

caps or tabs.

>

> *** I take Concentrace for Mg and it does make a difference along

with the

> other Co factors.

>

> At that point (2001) I was taking 10 or more grams of C a day, B-100

> complex

> with extra B6 three times a day, close of 100mg of Zinc. I had

been taking

> these for years previous.

>

> So, there has to be something else. I ate the flaxseed oil three

times a

> day until mid 2004. But only saw the improvement when the fish oil

was

> added.

> I think that was early 2002 or so.

>

> ** Yes I dont doubt that Fish oil has a better conversion rate. In

my case

> Ive found before adding nutrients I have to flush out my toxins

before seeing

> real benefit from oils. I have discovered that its better to get at

the root

> issue than just suppressing inflammation issues.

>

>

> ** I had a great reponse with Fish oil also for about a year and

felt the

> best that i had ever had. But After about a year the good results

stopped - my

> hunch was that I was just supressing the inflammation ( PLA 2 ) and

not

> gettting to the root - which is raising Glutathione. From my own

experience back

> then and now - I do better on a higher ratio of GLA than EPA or DHA.

> kane explains this is in her Detoxx book ( there is a link

on this too i

> think ) .

>

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

>