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Eat the other turkey wing while we contemplate this.....

and, I will sleep on it!

mjh with six new kittens born this evening to Fluffy

In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:33:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

kcapel@... writes:

Okay, mjh, tonight I cooked the turkey and at approximately 10 pm, I

consumed one small turkey wing -- both major parts of it (and, I

might add, it was delish!). It is now going on 12:30 am and I do not

feel the slightest bit like curling up in a ball and sleeping -- as I

recall feeling after family turkey dinners of yore.

No, I didn't weigh the meat off the bone, so I don't know for sure if

it was at least 4 ounces. I think the turkey was about 14 lb...so

figure one small wing from that. To drink tonight, I've had some

ginger tea, which does contain caffeine the way I make it (3 tea bags

in a big Pyrex pot), but the amount I've consumed has not been enough

to quell the curl-up-into-a-ball feeling, were it to occur. I

remember " the sleepies " from past turkey feasts, and no tea in the

world would have kept me from sleeping.

What's wrong? Where's my tryptophan blast to sandmanville?

the one who's wide awake in Champaign IL

*sigh*

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In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:55:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

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Umm, I don't think I could hold another one...turkey wing...honest.

I'm kinda full up to the top here.

I LUV kittens!

Have you taken some Magnesium in the last hour or so? That is a calming

mineral and helps with slepp as does a nice warm soak in Epsom salts.

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In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

kcapel@... writes:

I have some Mg oxide here but it's 250 mg. And I'm still kinda

afraid of that bottle of MoM.

Crush one of the 250s, dissolve in really hot water, add some cold water and

drink it down fast. Or, even do the same with 1/2 of the tab.

Mg maven

was

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For what it is worth, I can't have any caffeine after 2 PM if I hope to

sleep at all that night. My body is super sensitive. It takes way longer

than statistically it should for caffeine to clear my system. Don't know if

that is just a useless fact or possibly a helpful piece of information...

Dawn

>From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...>

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>Subject: One turkey wing later...mjh?

>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:33:09 -0000

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>Okay, mjh, tonight I cooked the turkey and at approximately 10 pm, I

>consumed one small turkey wing -- both major parts of it (and, I

>might add, it was delish!). It is now going on 12:30 am and I do not

>feel the slightest bit like curling up in a ball and sleeping -- as I

>recall feeling after family turkey dinners of yore.

>

>No, I didn't weigh the meat off the bone, so I don't know for sure if

>it was at least 4 ounces. I think the turkey was about 14 lb...so

>figure one small wing from that. To drink tonight, I've had some

>ginger tea, which does contain caffeine the way I make it (3 tea bags

>in a big Pyrex pot), but the amount I've consumed has not been enough

>to quell the curl-up-into-a-ball feeling, were it to occur. I

>remember " the sleepies " from past turkey feasts, and no tea in the

>world would have kept me from sleeping.

>

>What's wrong? Where's my tryptophan blast to sandmanville?

>

>

>the one who's wide awake in Champaign IL

>*sigh*

>

>

>

>

>

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You're a grandma! Congratulations, mjh! That's wonderful! (I want

one...hmmm).

Umm, I don't think I could hold another one...turkey wing...honest.

I'm kinda full up to the top here.

I LUV kittens!

>

>

>

>

>

> Eat the other turkey wing while we contemplate this.....

> and, I will sleep on it!

>

> mjh with six new kittens born this evening to Fluffy

>

>

> In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:33:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> kcapel@... writes:

>

> Okay, mjh, tonight I cooked the turkey and at approximately 10 pm,

I

> consumed one small turkey wing -- both major parts of it (and, I

> might add, it was delish!). It is now going on 12:30 am and I do

not

> feel the slightest bit like curling up in a ball and sleeping --

as I

> recall feeling after family turkey dinners of yore.

>

> No, I didn't weigh the meat off the bone, so I don't know for sure

if

> it was at least 4 ounces. I think the turkey was about 14 lb...so

> figure one small wing from that. To drink tonight, I've had some

> ginger tea, which does contain caffeine the way I make it (3 tea

bags

> in a big Pyrex pot), but the amount I've consumed has not been

enough

> to quell the curl-up-into-a-ball feeling, were it to occur. I

> remember " the sleepies " from past turkey feasts, and no tea in the

> world would have kept me from sleeping.

>

> What's wrong? Where's my tryptophan blast to sandmanville?

>

>

> the one who's wide awake in Champaign IL

> *sigh*

>

>

>

>

>

>

> mjh

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> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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Hi Dawn. Usually a good piece of info...but in my case it's kinda

useless. Caffeine doesn't do much for me either. I need a

sledgehammer to go down and another one to get back up. sigh.

>

> For what it is worth, I can't have any caffeine after 2 PM if I

hope to

> sleep at all that night. My body is super sensitive. It takes way

longer

> than statistically it should for caffeine to clear my system.

Don't know if

> that is just a useless fact or possibly a helpful piece of

information...

> Dawn

>

>

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I have some Mg oxide here but it's 250 mg. And I'm still kinda

afraid of that bottle of MoM.

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:55:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> kcapel@... writes:

>

> Umm, I don't think I could hold another one...turkey

wing...honest.

> I'm kinda full up to the top here.

>

> I LUV kittens!

>

>

>

>

> Have you taken some Magnesium in the last hour or so? That is a

calming

> mineral and helps with slepp as does a nice warm soak in Epsom

salts.

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

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Will do. Thnx. (By the way, I started taking fish oil in the last

ten days. I'm so used to treating old dogs with all the things they

need, and I never think of *me.*) I don't think this has had an

effect on sleep. Sleep is a long-time problem for me.

Take your exhausted Fluffy and wee ones and hit the hay, Mg maven!

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> kcapel@... writes:

>

> I have some Mg oxide here but it's 250 mg. And I'm still kinda

> afraid of that bottle of MoM.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Crush one of the 250s, dissolve in really hot water, add some cold

water and

> drink it down fast. Or, even do the same with 1/2 of the tab.

>

> Mg maven

> was

>

> mjh

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> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

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You know what your problem is?

You do not watch enough late night infomercials!!!!

The mattress topper is a thinner version of the mattress, but beware of

outgassing. Sam's Club has the topper for about $100.00 but one sniff was

enough

to send me away.

In a message dated 3/8/2006 4:12:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kcapel@... writes:

But what's this other animal...a memory foam mattress topper?

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Hi Dawn. What's a memory foam mattress topper? Is it anything like

the egg crate mattress pads?

I feel pretty good in the bed department lately, actually. Just in

the last year I've been able to reclaim my previous queen size with a

new mattress that I had for myself -- until I suddenly found myself

with six dogs, in the 90s...all of whom wanted my bed. This is a

long story that no one wants to hear, but suffice it to say I'm

pretty happy having my bed back!

But what's this other animal...a memory foam mattress topper?

>

> HI ,

> Again, possibly useless info... Another thing that has really

helped me

> both to sleep better and the pain is a memory foam mattress

topper. If you

> have never slept on one, you don't know what you are missing! I

used to

> dread going to bed because I knew my pain would increase, but now,

> sometimes, I actually look forward to it.

> Dawn

>

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Oh gee. mjh, I don't watch ANY late-night infomercials. I turned

off the TV about ten years ago and never went back. I never see

anything!

>

>

>

>

>

> You know what your problem is?

>

> You do not watch enough late night infomercials!!!!

>

> The mattress topper is a thinner version of the mattress, but

beware of

> outgassing. Sam's Club has the topper for about $100.00 but one

sniff was enough

> to send me away.

>

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Hi . Yes and no...(is it like an egg crate topper?) It lays on your

bed like an egg crate, I used to use one of those. But the similarities

stop there! I don't know how familiar you are with fibro, but the latest

research is saying that we feel things that just might be a little ache to a

" normal " person at an extremely amplified level. So, whenever I would lay

down at night, the pressure of the mattress on my hips and shoulders would

become unbearable and I would end up pacing the floors. Until I discovered

memory foam. It is similar to the brand Postupedic, if you have ever heard

of that. It is a material that was initially developed by NASA. It molds

to your body. It is kind of hard to describe, you really have to feel it.

You almost feel weightless (as far as pressure points, if that makes any

sense). I bought mine for my king size bed from Overstock.com for only

$100. It was honestly the best $100 I have ever spent. My whole family

uses them now because they are so comfortable. I am not sure if I answered

your question or not. Let me know if I didn't. BTW, no dogs to hog my bed,

just a husband ;~)

Dawn

>From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...>

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>

>Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh?

>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:11:02 -0000

>

>Hi Dawn. What's a memory foam mattress topper? Is it anything like

>the egg crate mattress pads?

>

>I feel pretty good in the bed department lately, actually. Just in

>the last year I've been able to reclaim my previous queen size with a

>new mattress that I had for myself -- until I suddenly found myself

>with six dogs, in the 90s...all of whom wanted my bed. This is a

>long story that no one wants to hear, but suffice it to say I'm

>pretty happy having my bed back!

>

>But what's this other animal...a memory foam mattress topper?

>

>

>

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Thank you for the explanation, Dawn. I will definitely check this

out. Yes, I'm quite familiar with fibro stuff and amplified levels

of this and that. I especially love it when my skin hurts to the

touch. I never noticed that with laying in bed, though. Just when a

kitty would decide to walk on me or sit on me. This might be some

odd combo with fibro and my screwed up nerve endings from spine

problems. Maybe because of my odd nerve situation, I only perceive

things at certain levels of the tissue? I'm not sure, but I will

check out the mattress topper with memory foam. Sounds like a good

thing indeed. Thanks, Dawn.

>

> Hi . Yes and no...(is it like an egg crate topper?) It lays

on your

> bed like an egg crate, I used to use one of those. But the

similarities

> stop there! I don't know how familiar you are with fibro, but the

latest

> research is saying that we feel things that just might be a little

ache to a

> " normal " person at an extremely amplified level. So, whenever I

would lay

> down at night, the pressure of the mattress on my hips and

shoulders would

> become unbearable and I would end up pacing the floors. Until I

discovered

> memory foam. It is similar to the brand Postupedic, if you have

ever heard

> of that. It is a material that was initially developed by NASA.

It molds

> to your body. It is kind of hard to describe, you really have to

feel it.

> You almost feel weightless (as far as pressure points, if that

makes any

> sense). I bought mine for my king size bed from Overstock.com for

only

> $100. It was honestly the best $100 I have ever spent. My whole

family

> uses them now because they are so comfortable. I am not sure if I

answered

> your question or not. Let me know if I didn't. BTW, no dogs to

hog my bed,

> just a husband ;~)

> Dawn

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Ugh!! The skin can be aweful, can't it? And other people just don't

understand. I try to explain it to my husband, but when I tell him that the

seem on my shirt is hurting my skin, he just can't comprehend that. The

pain while lying in bed was always a really deep pain, felt like it came

from my bones. Not fun! Let me know if you decide to try it out and if you

do how you like it.

Dawn

>From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...>

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>

>Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh?

>Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:49:06 -0000

>

>Thank you for the explanation, Dawn. I will definitely check this

>out. Yes, I'm quite familiar with fibro stuff and amplified levels

>of this and that. I especially love it when my skin hurts to the

>touch. I never noticed that with laying in bed, though. Just when a

>kitty would decide to walk on me or sit on me. This might be some

>odd combo with fibro and my screwed up nerve endings from spine

>problems. Maybe because of my odd nerve situation, I only perceive

>things at certain levels of the tissue? I'm not sure, but I will

>check out the mattress topper with memory foam. Sounds like a good

>thing indeed. Thanks, Dawn.

>

>

>

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That's kinda funny... " felt like it came from my bones. " I get that.

But I get it all over and throughout and I associate it with seasonal

weather change, especially in the fall. I'd thought that was part of

my osteoporosis, but maybe not. It's the worst kind of devastating

pain I've ever had, throughout like that. It goes straight through

me, seemingly coming from my core somewhere. It makes me nauseated,

it's so bad and unrelenting. It's the only time I'm ever in such

terrible pain throughout, I almost wish someone would come along and

just finish me off. It's impossible to function, to think, to do

anything when I'm like that.

The skin thing is weird. It's impossible to explain to someone that

your bedsheet hurts or a shirt sleeve or what-have-you. It doesn't

make sense to me, so how can I make sense to someone else...you

know? I just know that when that's going on, nobody better touch me,

two legs or four!

Thanks, Dawn.

>

> Ugh!! The skin can be aweful, can't it? And other people just

don't

> understand. I try to explain it to my husband, but when I tell him

that the

> seem on my shirt is hurting my skin, he just can't comprehend

that. The

> pain while lying in bed was always a really deep pain, felt like it

came

> from my bones. Not fun! Let me know if you decide to try it out

and if you

> do how you like it.

> Dawn

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You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my fibro

pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would have to say

that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever

experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries, accidents, of

course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28 hours of

labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you haven't

felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it is for my

soul just to finally find someone who does understand...

Thank you, !

-Dawn

>From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...>

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>

>Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh?

>Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:14:55 -0000

>

>That's kinda funny... " felt like it came from my bones. " I get that.

>But I get it all over and throughout and I associate it with seasonal

>weather change, especially in the fall. I'd thought that was part of

>my osteoporosis, but maybe not. It's the worst kind of devastating

>pain I've ever had, throughout like that. It goes straight through

>me, seemingly coming from my core somewhere. It makes me nauseated,

>it's so bad and unrelenting. It's the only time I'm ever in such

>terrible pain throughout, I almost wish someone would come along and

>just finish me off. It's impossible to function, to think, to do

>anything when I'm like that.

>

>The skin thing is weird. It's impossible to explain to someone that

>your bedsheet hurts or a shirt sleeve or what-have-you. It doesn't

>make sense to me, so how can I make sense to someone else...you

>know? I just know that when that's going on, nobody better touch me,

>two legs or four!

>

>Thanks, Dawn.

>

>

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Oops, I can't type. Sorry, goos=good

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>Subject: RE: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh?

>Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:27:20 -0500

>

>You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my fibro

>pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would have to say

>that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever

>experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries, accidents, of

>course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28 hours of

>labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you haven't

>felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it is for my

>soul just to finally find someone who does understand...

>Thank you, !

>

>-Dawn

>

>

> >From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh?

> >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:14:55 -0000

> >

> >That's kinda funny... " felt like it came from my bones. " I get that.

> >But I get it all over and throughout and I associate it with seasonal

> >weather change, especially in the fall. I'd thought that was part of

> >my osteoporosis, but maybe not. It's the worst kind of devastating

> >pain I've ever had, throughout like that. It goes straight through

> >me, seemingly coming from my core somewhere. It makes me nauseated,

> >it's so bad and unrelenting. It's the only time I'm ever in such

> >terrible pain throughout, I almost wish someone would come along and

> >just finish me off. It's impossible to function, to think, to do

> >anything when I'm like that.

> >

> >The skin thing is weird. It's impossible to explain to someone that

> >your bedsheet hurts or a shirt sleeve or what-have-you. It doesn't

> >make sense to me, so how can I make sense to someone else...you

> >know? I just know that when that's going on, nobody better touch me,

> >two legs or four!

> >

> >Thanks, Dawn.

> >

> >

>

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Hah. Ihave you beat by 3 hours -- 31 and then the emergency c-

section! (I wonder if that's some correlation...) I can gallbladder

and a few others to your list. I dunno...that 31 hours in all-around

labor was pretty bad...I'd have to think about that. Might be a

close second, Dawn.

>

> You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my

fibro

> pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would

have to say

> that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever

> experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries,

accidents, of

> course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28

hours of

> labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you

haven't

> felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it

is for my

> soul just to finally find someone who does understand...

> Thank you, !

>

> -Dawn

>

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< Even my hair hurt. > Yes, yes, yes, YES.

My body sensations are slightly different and that must be because of

my loused up spinal column...is the only thing I can figure out, but

clothes don't bother me that much. But, indeed, this sensation thing

is the reason I'm up like a flash again after 3 hours of tossing and

turning.

My vet says he has FM and talks about substance P and he takes

amitriptyline and swears by it. I took amitriptyline for nearly 25

years, first to bump Dalmane into action for sleep, then from my

neuro " for pain, " he said. All amitriptyline ever made me do was

gain weight to the point I figured I could apply for statehood based

on body surface area alone and sleep till early afternoon and wish

for more. Even quarts of coffee couldn't wake me up. I hate the

stuff....not coffee, the amitriptyline.

I will work on this magnesium challenge, mg maven.

>

>

>

>

>

> I used to describe the pain as living with steel wool between my

skin and my

> muscles. The pain was so pervasive and so intense and

unrelenting. From the

> top of my head to my toe nails. Even my hair hurt.

>

> Pharmaceuticals screwed my brain but did little for the pain.

>

> I could barely wear clothing other than loose fitting, light

weight, natural

> materials. My wardrboe was long on guaze. I was tempted to start

am

> apparell line and call it " Baggy Lady Fashions " , but then I

realized I had no

> energy, little capital and less design skill.....

>

> Sometimes I would be in an Epsom salt bath three times a day for

pain relief.

>

> That changed significantly once I mastered Magnesium.

>

> As cellular Magnesium improved, this pervasive pain decreased

significatnly.

> So much so that I can even wear panty hose occasionally as of a

couple of

> months ago after a 15 years hiatus.

>

> Substance P, I understand, is responsible for this acute

sensitivity and

> pain.

>

> As for bedding. A number of years ago a mattress topper called

Cuddle-Ewe

> was marketed for this kind of pain. It was several hundred

dollars.

>

> Instead, I got two Greek Flokati rugs from TJ Maxx for under $50.00

and find

> that they really help. They are 100% wool, so no outgassing as

with memory

> foam. They launder easily in the washing machine.

>

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Too weird! We really are a lot alike! I had to have my gallbladder out

too. Weird thing was, it wasn't for stones, it just stopped working. I

have always thought it was related to fibro...

Dawn

>From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...>

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>

>Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh?

>Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:06:03 -0000

>

>Hah. Ihave you beat by 3 hours -- 31 and then the emergency c-

>section! (I wonder if that's some correlation...) I can gallbladder

>and a few others to your list. I dunno...that 31 hours in all-around

>labor was pretty bad...I'd have to think about that. Might be a

>close second, Dawn.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my

>fibro

> > pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would

>have to say

> > that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever

> > experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries,

>accidents, of

> > course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28

>hours of

> > labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you

>haven't

> > felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it

>is for my

> > soul just to finally find someone who does understand...

> > Thank you, !

> >

> > -Dawn

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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