Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Eat the other turkey wing while we contemplate this..... and, I will sleep on it! mjh with six new kittens born this evening to Fluffy In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:33:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, kcapel@... writes: Okay, mjh, tonight I cooked the turkey and at approximately 10 pm, I consumed one small turkey wing -- both major parts of it (and, I might add, it was delish!). It is now going on 12:30 am and I do not feel the slightest bit like curling up in a ball and sleeping -- as I recall feeling after family turkey dinners of yore. No, I didn't weigh the meat off the bone, so I don't know for sure if it was at least 4 ounces. I think the turkey was about 14 lb...so figure one small wing from that. To drink tonight, I've had some ginger tea, which does contain caffeine the way I make it (3 tea bags in a big Pyrex pot), but the amount I've consumed has not been enough to quell the curl-up-into-a-ball feeling, were it to occur. I remember " the sleepies " from past turkey feasts, and no tea in the world would have kept me from sleeping. What's wrong? Where's my tryptophan blast to sandmanville? the one who's wide awake in Champaign IL *sigh* mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:55:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, kcapel@... writes: Umm, I don't think I could hold another one...turkey wing...honest. I'm kinda full up to the top here. I LUV kittens! Have you taken some Magnesium in the last hour or so? That is a calming mineral and helps with slepp as does a nice warm soak in Epsom salts. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, kcapel@... writes: I have some Mg oxide here but it's 250 mg. And I'm still kinda afraid of that bottle of MoM. Crush one of the 250s, dissolve in really hot water, add some cold water and drink it down fast. Or, even do the same with 1/2 of the tab. Mg maven was mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 For what it is worth, I can't have any caffeine after 2 PM if I hope to sleep at all that night. My body is super sensitive. It takes way longer than statistically it should for caffeine to clear my system. Don't know if that is just a useless fact or possibly a helpful piece of information... Dawn >From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...> >Reply- > >Subject: One turkey wing later...mjh? >Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:33:09 -0000 > >Okay, mjh, tonight I cooked the turkey and at approximately 10 pm, I >consumed one small turkey wing -- both major parts of it (and, I >might add, it was delish!). It is now going on 12:30 am and I do not >feel the slightest bit like curling up in a ball and sleeping -- as I >recall feeling after family turkey dinners of yore. > >No, I didn't weigh the meat off the bone, so I don't know for sure if >it was at least 4 ounces. I think the turkey was about 14 lb...so >figure one small wing from that. To drink tonight, I've had some >ginger tea, which does contain caffeine the way I make it (3 tea bags >in a big Pyrex pot), but the amount I've consumed has not been enough >to quell the curl-up-into-a-ball feeling, were it to occur. I >remember " the sleepies " from past turkey feasts, and no tea in the >world would have kept me from sleeping. > >What's wrong? Where's my tryptophan blast to sandmanville? > > >the one who's wide awake in Champaign IL >*sigh* > > > > > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment >discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 You're a grandma! Congratulations, mjh! That's wonderful! (I want one...hmmm). Umm, I don't think I could hold another one...turkey wing...honest. I'm kinda full up to the top here. I LUV kittens! > > > > > > Eat the other turkey wing while we contemplate this..... > and, I will sleep on it! > > mjh with six new kittens born this evening to Fluffy > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:33:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > kcapel@... writes: > > Okay, mjh, tonight I cooked the turkey and at approximately 10 pm, I > consumed one small turkey wing -- both major parts of it (and, I > might add, it was delish!). It is now going on 12:30 am and I do not > feel the slightest bit like curling up in a ball and sleeping -- as I > recall feeling after family turkey dinners of yore. > > No, I didn't weigh the meat off the bone, so I don't know for sure if > it was at least 4 ounces. I think the turkey was about 14 lb...so > figure one small wing from that. To drink tonight, I've had some > ginger tea, which does contain caffeine the way I make it (3 tea bags > in a big Pyrex pot), but the amount I've consumed has not been enough > to quell the curl-up-into-a-ball feeling, were it to occur. I > remember " the sleepies " from past turkey feasts, and no tea in the > world would have kept me from sleeping. > > What's wrong? Where's my tryptophan blast to sandmanville? > > > the one who's wide awake in Champaign IL > *sigh* > > > > > > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi Dawn. Usually a good piece of info...but in my case it's kinda useless. Caffeine doesn't do much for me either. I need a sledgehammer to go down and another one to get back up. sigh. > > For what it is worth, I can't have any caffeine after 2 PM if I hope to > sleep at all that night. My body is super sensitive. It takes way longer > than statistically it should for caffeine to clear my system. Don't know if > that is just a useless fact or possibly a helpful piece of information... > Dawn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I have some Mg oxide here but it's 250 mg. And I'm still kinda afraid of that bottle of MoM. > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 1:55:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > kcapel@... writes: > > Umm, I don't think I could hold another one...turkey wing...honest. > I'm kinda full up to the top here. > > I LUV kittens! > > > > > Have you taken some Magnesium in the last hour or so? That is a calming > mineral and helps with slepp as does a nice warm soak in Epsom salts. > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Will do. Thnx. (By the way, I started taking fish oil in the last ten days. I'm so used to treating old dogs with all the things they need, and I never think of *me.*) I don't think this has had an effect on sleep. Sleep is a long-time problem for me. Take your exhausted Fluffy and wee ones and hit the hay, Mg maven! > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > kcapel@... writes: > > I have some Mg oxide here but it's 250 mg. And I'm still kinda > afraid of that bottle of MoM. > > > > > > > > Crush one of the 250s, dissolve in really hot water, add some cold water and > drink it down fast. Or, even do the same with 1/2 of the tab. > > Mg maven > was > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 You know what your problem is? You do not watch enough late night infomercials!!!! The mattress topper is a thinner version of the mattress, but beware of outgassing. Sam's Club has the topper for about $100.00 but one sniff was enough to send me away. In a message dated 3/8/2006 4:12:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, kcapel@... writes: But what's this other animal...a memory foam mattress topper? mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hi Dawn. What's a memory foam mattress topper? Is it anything like the egg crate mattress pads? I feel pretty good in the bed department lately, actually. Just in the last year I've been able to reclaim my previous queen size with a new mattress that I had for myself -- until I suddenly found myself with six dogs, in the 90s...all of whom wanted my bed. This is a long story that no one wants to hear, but suffice it to say I'm pretty happy having my bed back! But what's this other animal...a memory foam mattress topper? > > HI , > Again, possibly useless info... Another thing that has really helped me > both to sleep better and the pain is a memory foam mattress topper. If you > have never slept on one, you don't know what you are missing! I used to > dread going to bed because I knew my pain would increase, but now, > sometimes, I actually look forward to it. > Dawn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Oh gee. mjh, I don't watch ANY late-night infomercials. I turned off the TV about ten years ago and never went back. I never see anything! > > > > > > You know what your problem is? > > You do not watch enough late night infomercials!!!! > > The mattress topper is a thinner version of the mattress, but beware of > outgassing. Sam's Club has the topper for about $100.00 but one sniff was enough > to send me away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hi . Yes and no...(is it like an egg crate topper?) It lays on your bed like an egg crate, I used to use one of those. But the similarities stop there! I don't know how familiar you are with fibro, but the latest research is saying that we feel things that just might be a little ache to a " normal " person at an extremely amplified level. So, whenever I would lay down at night, the pressure of the mattress on my hips and shoulders would become unbearable and I would end up pacing the floors. Until I discovered memory foam. It is similar to the brand Postupedic, if you have ever heard of that. It is a material that was initially developed by NASA. It molds to your body. It is kind of hard to describe, you really have to feel it. You almost feel weightless (as far as pressure points, if that makes any sense). I bought mine for my king size bed from Overstock.com for only $100. It was honestly the best $100 I have ever spent. My whole family uses them now because they are so comfortable. I am not sure if I answered your question or not. Let me know if I didn't. BTW, no dogs to hog my bed, just a husband ;~) Dawn >From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh? >Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:11:02 -0000 > >Hi Dawn. What's a memory foam mattress topper? Is it anything like >the egg crate mattress pads? > >I feel pretty good in the bed department lately, actually. Just in >the last year I've been able to reclaim my previous queen size with a >new mattress that I had for myself -- until I suddenly found myself >with six dogs, in the 90s...all of whom wanted my bed. This is a >long story that no one wants to hear, but suffice it to say I'm >pretty happy having my bed back! > >But what's this other animal...a memory foam mattress topper? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Thank you for the explanation, Dawn. I will definitely check this out. Yes, I'm quite familiar with fibro stuff and amplified levels of this and that. I especially love it when my skin hurts to the touch. I never noticed that with laying in bed, though. Just when a kitty would decide to walk on me or sit on me. This might be some odd combo with fibro and my screwed up nerve endings from spine problems. Maybe because of my odd nerve situation, I only perceive things at certain levels of the tissue? I'm not sure, but I will check out the mattress topper with memory foam. Sounds like a good thing indeed. Thanks, Dawn. > > Hi . Yes and no...(is it like an egg crate topper?) It lays on your > bed like an egg crate, I used to use one of those. But the similarities > stop there! I don't know how familiar you are with fibro, but the latest > research is saying that we feel things that just might be a little ache to a > " normal " person at an extremely amplified level. So, whenever I would lay > down at night, the pressure of the mattress on my hips and shoulders would > become unbearable and I would end up pacing the floors. Until I discovered > memory foam. It is similar to the brand Postupedic, if you have ever heard > of that. It is a material that was initially developed by NASA. It molds > to your body. It is kind of hard to describe, you really have to feel it. > You almost feel weightless (as far as pressure points, if that makes any > sense). I bought mine for my king size bed from Overstock.com for only > $100. It was honestly the best $100 I have ever spent. My whole family > uses them now because they are so comfortable. I am not sure if I answered > your question or not. Let me know if I didn't. BTW, no dogs to hog my bed, > just a husband ;~) > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Ugh!! The skin can be aweful, can't it? And other people just don't understand. I try to explain it to my husband, but when I tell him that the seem on my shirt is hurting my skin, he just can't comprehend that. The pain while lying in bed was always a really deep pain, felt like it came from my bones. Not fun! Let me know if you decide to try it out and if you do how you like it. Dawn >From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh? >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:49:06 -0000 > >Thank you for the explanation, Dawn. I will definitely check this >out. Yes, I'm quite familiar with fibro stuff and amplified levels >of this and that. I especially love it when my skin hurts to the >touch. I never noticed that with laying in bed, though. Just when a >kitty would decide to walk on me or sit on me. This might be some >odd combo with fibro and my screwed up nerve endings from spine >problems. Maybe because of my odd nerve situation, I only perceive >things at certain levels of the tissue? I'm not sure, but I will >check out the mattress topper with memory foam. Sounds like a good >thing indeed. Thanks, Dawn. > > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 That's kinda funny... " felt like it came from my bones. " I get that. But I get it all over and throughout and I associate it with seasonal weather change, especially in the fall. I'd thought that was part of my osteoporosis, but maybe not. It's the worst kind of devastating pain I've ever had, throughout like that. It goes straight through me, seemingly coming from my core somewhere. It makes me nauseated, it's so bad and unrelenting. It's the only time I'm ever in such terrible pain throughout, I almost wish someone would come along and just finish me off. It's impossible to function, to think, to do anything when I'm like that. The skin thing is weird. It's impossible to explain to someone that your bedsheet hurts or a shirt sleeve or what-have-you. It doesn't make sense to me, so how can I make sense to someone else...you know? I just know that when that's going on, nobody better touch me, two legs or four! Thanks, Dawn. > > Ugh!! The skin can be aweful, can't it? And other people just don't > understand. I try to explain it to my husband, but when I tell him that the > seem on my shirt is hurting my skin, he just can't comprehend that. The > pain while lying in bed was always a really deep pain, felt like it came > from my bones. Not fun! Let me know if you decide to try it out and if you > do how you like it. > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my fibro pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would have to say that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries, accidents, of course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28 hours of labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you haven't felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it is for my soul just to finally find someone who does understand... Thank you, ! -Dawn >From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh? >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:14:55 -0000 > >That's kinda funny... " felt like it came from my bones. " I get that. >But I get it all over and throughout and I associate it with seasonal >weather change, especially in the fall. I'd thought that was part of >my osteoporosis, but maybe not. It's the worst kind of devastating >pain I've ever had, throughout like that. It goes straight through >me, seemingly coming from my core somewhere. It makes me nauseated, >it's so bad and unrelenting. It's the only time I'm ever in such >terrible pain throughout, I almost wish someone would come along and >just finish me off. It's impossible to function, to think, to do >anything when I'm like that. > >The skin thing is weird. It's impossible to explain to someone that >your bedsheet hurts or a shirt sleeve or what-have-you. It doesn't >make sense to me, so how can I make sense to someone else...you >know? I just know that when that's going on, nobody better touch me, >two legs or four! > >Thanks, Dawn. > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Oops, I can't type. Sorry, goos=good >From: " Dawn Munn " <dawnmunn@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh? >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:27:20 -0500 > >You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my fibro >pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would have to say >that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever >experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries, accidents, of >course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28 hours of >labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you haven't >felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it is for my >soul just to finally find someone who does understand... >Thank you, ! > >-Dawn > > > >From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh? > >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:14:55 -0000 > > > >That's kinda funny... " felt like it came from my bones. " I get that. > >But I get it all over and throughout and I associate it with seasonal > >weather change, especially in the fall. I'd thought that was part of > >my osteoporosis, but maybe not. It's the worst kind of devastating > >pain I've ever had, throughout like that. It goes straight through > >me, seemingly coming from my core somewhere. It makes me nauseated, > >it's so bad and unrelenting. It's the only time I'm ever in such > >terrible pain throughout, I almost wish someone would come along and > >just finish me off. It's impossible to function, to think, to do > >anything when I'm like that. > > > >The skin thing is weird. It's impossible to explain to someone that > >your bedsheet hurts or a shirt sleeve or what-have-you. It doesn't > >make sense to me, so how can I make sense to someone else...you > >know? I just know that when that's going on, nobody better touch me, > >two legs or four! > > > >Thanks, Dawn. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment >discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hah. Ihave you beat by 3 hours -- 31 and then the emergency c- section! (I wonder if that's some correlation...) I can gallbladder and a few others to your list. I dunno...that 31 hours in all-around labor was pretty bad...I'd have to think about that. Might be a close second, Dawn. > > You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my fibro > pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would have to say > that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever > experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries, accidents, of > course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28 hours of > labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you haven't > felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it is for my > soul just to finally find someone who does understand... > Thank you, ! > > -Dawn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Your heart, brain and enzymatic system will also thank you. Mg Maven In a message dated 3/9/2006 8:15:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, kcapel@... writes: I will work on this magnesium challenge, mg maven. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 < Even my hair hurt. > Yes, yes, yes, YES. My body sensations are slightly different and that must be because of my loused up spinal column...is the only thing I can figure out, but clothes don't bother me that much. But, indeed, this sensation thing is the reason I'm up like a flash again after 3 hours of tossing and turning. My vet says he has FM and talks about substance P and he takes amitriptyline and swears by it. I took amitriptyline for nearly 25 years, first to bump Dalmane into action for sleep, then from my neuro " for pain, " he said. All amitriptyline ever made me do was gain weight to the point I figured I could apply for statehood based on body surface area alone and sleep till early afternoon and wish for more. Even quarts of coffee couldn't wake me up. I hate the stuff....not coffee, the amitriptyline. I will work on this magnesium challenge, mg maven. > > > > > > I used to describe the pain as living with steel wool between my skin and my > muscles. The pain was so pervasive and so intense and unrelenting. From the > top of my head to my toe nails. Even my hair hurt. > > Pharmaceuticals screwed my brain but did little for the pain. > > I could barely wear clothing other than loose fitting, light weight, natural > materials. My wardrboe was long on guaze. I was tempted to start am > apparell line and call it " Baggy Lady Fashions " , but then I realized I had no > energy, little capital and less design skill..... > > Sometimes I would be in an Epsom salt bath three times a day for pain relief. > > That changed significantly once I mastered Magnesium. > > As cellular Magnesium improved, this pervasive pain decreased significatnly. > So much so that I can even wear panty hose occasionally as of a couple of > months ago after a 15 years hiatus. > > Substance P, I understand, is responsible for this acute sensitivity and > pain. > > As for bedding. A number of years ago a mattress topper called Cuddle-Ewe > was marketed for this kind of pain. It was several hundred dollars. > > Instead, I got two Greek Flokati rugs from TJ Maxx for under $50.00 and find > that they really help. They are 100% wool, so no outgassing as with memory > foam. They launder easily in the washing machine. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Too weird! We really are a lot alike! I had to have my gallbladder out too. Weird thing was, it wasn't for stones, it just stopped working. I have always thought it was related to fibro... Dawn >From: " netsukeme " <kcapel@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: One turkey wing later...mjh? >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:06:03 -0000 > >Hah. Ihave you beat by 3 hours -- 31 and then the emergency c- >section! (I wonder if that's some correlation...) I can gallbladder >and a few others to your list. I dunno...that 31 hours in all-around >labor was pretty bad...I'd have to think about that. Might be a >close second, Dawn. > > > > > > > > > You know, I am certainly no doctor, but it sounds exactly like my >fibro > > pain. And I am only 28, so I don't have osteoporosis. I would >have to say > > that it is by far the most painful and unrelenting pain I have ever > > experienced. And I have had my share- multiple surgeries, >accidents, of > > course childbirth (which ended in an emergency c-section after 28 >hours of > > labor). I would have to say they pale in comparison. And if you >haven't > > felt it, you just can't understand. I can't tell you how goos it >is for my > > soul just to finally find someone who does understand... > > Thank you, ! > > > > -Dawn > > > > > > > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment >discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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