Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

[Guest guest]

For me, I could not " tolerate " any over the counter multi-vitamin that I

have tried. What are those? Almost every brand out there. What do I mean

by not tolerate? GI upset: anything from nausea to burping up the taste of

the vitamin for the entire day, increase in acid reflux, constipation,

abdominal pain, dizziness, just feeling yucky! And for some vitamins, and

pardon me if this is gross to anyone, but they were comming out whole- which

means they sure weren't helping!

Dawn

>From: Capel <kcapel@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:36:41 -0600

>

>Several people have mentioned that they do not " tolerate " multivitamin

>tablets or pills. I'm wondering what constitutes this lack of toleration

>by different people.

>

>What shape does the lack of toleration take? How do you know that you

>don't tolerate the pills or particular components of them? What are the

>signposts for you? Further and more specifically, which ones (which

>manufacturers, etc) do you not tolerate and how does that lack of

>toleration manifest in your body?

>

>

>the one in Champaign IL

>

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

I have many of the same reactions (except for excreting a

complete pill but I've heard of this before). Other

symptoms are increased fatigue. There are probably more

symptoms that aren't coming to mind right now. None of

these symptoms are minor - GI symptoms with accompanying

fatigue can last for days. It feels very systemic and I

find it very difficult to eat.

I suspect the 'B' vitamins but I don't think that I tolerate

some of the amino acids either.

There may be more, like the sulfur I already mentioned, but

so far I haven't been able to determine what they are.

Kathy F.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dawn Munn " <dawnmunn@...>

> For me, I could not " tolerate " any over the counter

> multi-vitamin that I

> have tried. What are those? Almost every brand out

> there. What do I mean

> by not tolerate? GI upset: anything from nausea to

> burping up the taste of

> the vitamin for the entire day, increase in acid reflux,

> constipation,

> abdominal pain, dizziness, just feeling yucky! And for

> some vitamins, and

> pardon me if this is gross to anyone, but they were

> comming out whole- which

> means they sure weren't helping!

> Dawn

>>From: Capel <kcapel@...>

>>Several people have mentioned that they do not " tolerate "

>>multivitamin

>>tablets or pills. I'm wondering what constitutes this

>>lack of toleration

>>by different people.

>>

>>What shape does the lack of toleration take? How do you

>>know that you

>>don't tolerate the pills or particular components of them?

>>What are the

>>signposts for you? Further and more specifically, which

>>ones (which

>>manufacturers, etc) do you not tolerate and how does that

>>lack of

>>toleration manifest in your body?

>>

>>

>>the one in Champaign IL

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm very sensitive to almost anything including all vit/min supps other

than Concentrace (don't know why that should be any different)

Most reactions exacerbate my ME generally and this doesn't ease with

time and is also very immediate. There seems to be a specific affinity

with making my cns symptoms much worse, and some will also cause my

interstitial cystitis to flare up - vitamin C will do this within a

matter of hours whatever form I take it in. I've worked out that my

body seems only able to tolerate things in the natural food form - so

diet is paramount.

I'm also mega- sensitive to most prescription medicines.

Rosie

Several people have mentioned that they do not " tolerate " multivitamin

tablets or pills. I'm wondering what constitutes this lack of

toleration

by different people.

What shape does the lack of toleration take? How do you know that you

don't tolerate the pills or particular components of them? What are the

signposts for you? Further and more specifically, which ones (which

manufacturers, etc) do you not tolerate and how does that lack of

toleration manifest in your body?

the one in Champaign IL

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

And for some vitamins, and

> pardon me if this is gross to anyone, but they were comming out whole-

which

> means they sure weren't helping!

Hi Dawn - This could either be a problem with your stomach acid or the

actual vitamin. To do a test, drop the vitamin pill in some white

vinegar. If it hasn't dissolved within half an hour, then the problem

is with the actual pill. If it does dissolve in half an hour, then it

would indicate that your stomach acid isn't working correctly. Do you

take antacids at all? This can sometimes be the problem.

Take care.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

>

> Several people have mentioned that they do not " tolerate "

multivitamin

> tablets or pills. I'm wondering what constitutes this lack of

toleration

> by different people.

>

> What shape does the lack of toleration take? How do you know that

you

> don't tolerate the pills or particular components of them? What

are the

> signposts for you? Further and more specifically, which ones

(which

> manufacturers, etc) do you not tolerate and how does that lack of

> toleration manifest in your body?

>

>

> the one in Champaign IL

Hi , it took me at least 10 years to find a multi-vitamin that I

could tolerate part of the time. I have to hold my nose when I take

them, otherwise, I have to just forget about it. Recently, I have

been taking them with Betaine HCL, No-Fenol, and digestive enzyme

multi-cap. That seems to work, except on really bad days.

My nose sends me a message that I am not going to tolerate something.

For me, the worst culprit is thiamine. I learned that by accident

when I bought thiamine separately. If I don't pay attention to my

nose, my stomach makes me wish I had -- a sick, upset stomach

feeling. The symptoms are general as well as local.

Vickie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have many of the same reactions (except for excreting a

> complete pill but I've heard of this before). Other

> symptoms are increased fatigue. There are probably more

> symptoms that aren't coming to mind right now. None of

> these symptoms are minor - GI symptoms with accompanying

> fatigue can last for days. It feels very systemic and I

> find it very difficult to eat.

>

> I suspect the 'B' vitamins but I don't think that I tolerate

> some of the amino acids either.

> There may be more, like the sulfur I already mentioned, but

> so far I haven't been able to determine what they are.

>

> Kathy F.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Dawn Munn " <dawnmunn@...>

>

>

> > For me, I could not " tolerate " any over the counter

> > multi-vitamin that I

> > have tried. What are those? Almost every brand out

> > there. What do I mean

> > by not tolerate? GI upset: anything from nausea to

> > burping up the taste of

> > the vitamin for the entire day, increase in acid reflux,

> > constipation,

> > abdominal pain, dizziness, just feeling yucky! And for

> > some vitamins, and

> > pardon me if this is gross to anyone, but they were

> > comming out whole- which

> > means they sure weren't helping!

> > Dawn

>

> >>From: Capel <kcapel@...>

> >>Several people have mentioned that they do not " tolerate "

> >>multivitamin

> >>tablets or pills. I'm wondering what constitutes this

> >>lack of toleration

> >>by different people.

> >>

> >>What shape does the lack of toleration take? How do you

> >>know that you

> >>don't tolerate the pills or particular components of them?

> >>What are the

> >>signposts for you? Further and more specifically, which

> >>ones (which

> >>manufacturers, etc) do you not tolerate and how does that

> >>lack of

> >>toleration manifest in your body?

> >>

> >>

> >>the one in Champaign IL

I do not seem to have this problem now with supplements and take

many that I hope are doing me good, they certainly seem to be I know

when I had H.pyhlori last year I was so so thin with no appetite and

really was undernourished even though I was eating bascially a

normal diet. When I started on the mastika my stomach was very

uncomfortable for a few days but I felt if I do not try this a

little while longer I will never know...which is they way I have

proceded with everything I try and the way I see it is time to

adjust to what you body can benefit from...I know it can be a

roulette wheel but I have felt I had nothing to loose and maybe a

lot to gain...I must be one of the lucky ones that have made vast

improvements. I can only say how I am now which is far different to

a year back. I know from Thyroid tests done recently on that score I

am not improving by far but I am hopeful still. I could not climb

stairs a year back and did not have the strength to cut a piece of

cheese as an example only. BW Dianne

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Bernie.

I had been told to do this test with just water before. I have tried it and

that was the problem with some vits. But, I do take a PPI for severe acid

reflux (again, not to be gross, but even water will come right back up if I

go vertical too soon after swallowing. It is weird too, I don't belch or

gag, it just rolls right up my throat. All that to say, I am probably one

of the few people who really do need to be on a PPI). But, I have found a

multivit that works awesome for me and I digest it with no problems.

Dawn

>From: " bernieanneca " <BernieAnne@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:49:41 -0000

>

>

>

> And for some vitamins, and

> > pardon me if this is gross to anyone, but they were comming out whole-

> which

> > means they sure weren't helping!

>

>

>Hi Dawn - This could either be a problem with your stomach acid or the

>actual vitamin. To do a test, drop the vitamin pill in some white

>vinegar. If it hasn't dissolved within half an hour, then the problem

>is with the actual pill. If it does dissolve in half an hour, then it

>would indicate that your stomach acid isn't working correctly. Do you

>take antacids at all? This can sometimes be the problem.

>

>Take care.

>

>Bernie

>

>

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Reading your post reminds me, sometimes I get thins weird, floaty feeling.

I don't know if anyone else has expereinced that.

Dawn

>From: " Dianne " <boyzee12000@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:05:24 -0000

>

>

> >

> > I have many of the same reactions (except for excreting a

> > complete pill but I've heard of this before). Other

> > symptoms are increased fatigue. There are probably more

> > symptoms that aren't coming to mind right now. None of

> > these symptoms are minor - GI symptoms with accompanying

> > fatigue can last for days. It feels very systemic and I

> > find it very difficult to eat.

> >

> > I suspect the 'B' vitamins but I don't think that I tolerate

> > some of the amino acids either.

> > There may be more, like the sulfur I already mentioned, but

> > so far I haven't been able to determine what they are.

> >

> > Kathy F.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Dawn Munn " <dawnmunn@...>

> >

> >

> > > For me, I could not " tolerate " any over the counter

> > > multi-vitamin that I

> > > have tried. What are those? Almost every brand out

> > > there. What do I mean

> > > by not tolerate? GI upset: anything from nausea to

> > > burping up the taste of

> > > the vitamin for the entire day, increase in acid reflux,

> > > constipation,

> > > abdominal pain, dizziness, just feeling yucky! And for

> > > some vitamins, and

> > > pardon me if this is gross to anyone, but they were

> > > comming out whole- which

> > > means they sure weren't helping!

> > > Dawn

> >

> > >>From: Capel <kcapel@...>

> > >>Several people have mentioned that they do not " tolerate "

> > >>multivitamin

> > >>tablets or pills. I'm wondering what constitutes this

> > >>lack of toleration

> > >>by different people.

> > >>

> > >>What shape does the lack of toleration take? How do you

> > >>know that you

> > >>don't tolerate the pills or particular components of them?

> > >>What are the

> > >>signposts for you? Further and more specifically, which

> > >>ones (which

> > >>manufacturers, etc) do you not tolerate and how does that

> > >>lack of

> > >>toleration manifest in your body?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>the one in Champaign IL

>

>

>I do not seem to have this problem now with supplements and take

>many that I hope are doing me good, they certainly seem to be I know

>when I had H.pyhlori last year I was so so thin with no appetite and

>really was undernourished even though I was eating bascially a

>normal diet. When I started on the mastika my stomach was very

>uncomfortable for a few days but I felt if I do not try this a

>little while longer I will never know...which is they way I have

>proceded with everything I try and the way I see it is time to

>adjust to what you body can benefit from...I know it can be a

>roulette wheel but I have felt I had nothing to loose and maybe a

>lot to gain...I must be one of the lucky ones that have made vast

>improvements. I can only say how I am now which is far different to

>a year back. I know from Thyroid tests done recently on that score I

>am not improving by far but I am hopeful still. I could not climb

>stairs a year back and did not have the strength to cut a piece of

>cheese as an example only. BW Dianne

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

,

For me, one problem is that they tend to use ascorbic acid for the source of

vitamin C, and magnesium oxide or other forms of magnesium that are not the

most absorbable, both of which give me diarrhea. Also, the " more complete "

ones throw in antioxidants like alpha lipoic acid and NAC, which are bad for

people like me with high toxicity loads because they can cause

redistribution.

Ellen

> Several people have mentioned that they do not " tolerate " multivitamin

> tablets or pills. I'm wondering what constitutes this lack of toleration

> by different people.

>

> What shape does the lack of toleration take? How do you know that you

> don't tolerate the pills or particular components of them? What are the

> signposts for you? Further and more specifically, which ones (which

> manufacturers, etc) do you not tolerate and how does that lack of

> toleration manifest in your body?

>

>

> the one in Champaign IL

[Guest guest]

I don't feel good with ascorbic acid,magnesium stearate. I also have

excluded copper containing supplements due to my high serum copper level. I

have excluded cyanocobalamin due to possible toxicity.So,do not use

supplements that contain these.

Nil

Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I found by clearing my toxins - I can tolerate all nutritonals supps again

Regards

Cs

[Guest guest]

Concentrace contains a high proportion of Magnesium in natural form so this

may be easily assimalted.

Reagrds

CS

[Guest guest]

Ive added Zinc and it is suggested to help wth HCI production which should

help digestion.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

" I do not seem to have this problem now with supplements and take

many that I hope are doing me good, they certainly seem to be I know

when I had H.pyhlori last year "

Manuka Honey wiped out all of my remaining digestive problems and i suspect

- h pylori also.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Hi

For me all 6 points listed below in my regime were instrumental for clearing

toxins - however rasing Glutathione was fundamental in my recovery! :

MY REGIME:

1) HEAVY METALS & THYROID - Raise Glutathione via Whey Protein Isolate

2) PARASITES/FUNGAL/BACTERIAL - Lactoferrin / Coconut oil / Manuka Honey

3) ADRENALS - Sea Salt / Licorice

4) DIGESTION - Probiotics / Bromelain enzyme

5) VITAMINS - EFA's / Zinc / Magnesium & minerals / Strong Multi vits /

Vit C / Co Q10

6) DIET - Protein / Butter / Veggies & Salad/ Rice / Yoghurt / butter/

Sunflower oil & Flax / Water - no wheat/ limited dairy / limited fruit /

no nuts

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

How did you clear your toxins?

-Dawn

>From: bhammanuk@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:24:46 EST

>

>I found by clearing my toxins - I can tolerate all nutritonals supps again

>

>

>Regards

>Cs

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How did you/are you clearing you toxins? I have a lot of neurotoxins

and dread the Queston Detox as I am experiencing a severe Herxheimer

from my Doxycylin and I have Lyme so I'm sure to Herx from the

Questron.

>

> I found by clearing my toxins - I can tolerate all nutritonals supps

again

>

> Regards

> Cs

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn:

I can tell we are both early in treatment at the FFC - we have the

same questions!

I posted this one as well before I read yours.

Molly

>

> How did you clear your toxins?

> -Dawn

>

>

> >From: bhammanuk@...

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

> >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:24:46 EST

> >

> >I found by clearing my toxins - I can tolerate all nutritonals

supps again

> >

> >

> >Regards

> >Cs

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Can someone tell me what herxing is, please?

Dawn

>From: " mojo060582 " <caporale@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:15:01 -0000

>

>How did you/are you clearing you toxins? I have a lot of neurotoxins

>and dread the Queston Detox as I am experiencing a severe Herxheimer

>from my Doxycylin and I have Lyme so I'm sure to Herx from the

>Questron.

>

>

> >

> > I found by clearing my toxins - I can tolerate all nutritonals supps

>again

> >

> > Regards

> > Cs

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dawn.

" Herxing " is short for having a Jarisch Herxheimer reaction to an

antibiotic or other treatment that kills bacteria. This guy found

that if a person has a bacterial infection (This was first discovered

in syphilis) and is given a relatively high dose of antibiotics or

other treatment that kills bacteria, the bacteria die off rapidly.

When they die, they release what are called endotoxins. These are

substances that were inside their cells. When they die, these

endotoxins are released to the blood stream. They are recognized as

foreign substances by the immune system, and the resulting immune

response produces symptoms. These symptoms have come to be called a

Herxheimer reaction. They can include headache, fever, malaise,

rashes, and others.

Rich

>

> Can someone tell me what herxing is, please?

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Rich. Is this something that will continue with the therapy, or

does it grdually decrease? Do they know what causes it? For example, why

person A would have this reaction and not person B? This is really

interesting...

Dawn

>From: " rvankonynen " <richvank@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:58:25 -0000

>

>Hi, Dawn.

>

> " Herxing " is short for having a Jarisch Herxheimer reaction to an

>antibiotic or other treatment that kills bacteria. This guy found

>that if a person has a bacterial infection (This was first discovered

>in syphilis) and is given a relatively high dose of antibiotics or

>other treatment that kills bacteria, the bacteria die off rapidly.

>When they die, they release what are called endotoxins. These are

>substances that were inside their cells. When they die, these

>endotoxins are released to the blood stream. They are recognized as

>foreign substances by the immune system, and the resulting immune

>response produces symptoms. These symptoms have come to be called a

>Herxheimer reaction. They can include headache, fever, malaise,

>rashes, and others.

>

>Rich

>

>

> >

> > Can someone tell me what herxing is, please?

> > Dawn

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dawn.

When a Herxheimer reaction occurs, it's a temporary thing. It can

be decreased by cutting back on the dosage of the treatment, and

eventually the idea is to knock out the bacteria, and then the

reaction will stop. I think whether or not a person gets this

reaction depends on whether or not they have a paricular infection,

how extensive it is, and how large a dose they are getting of a

treatment that kills the bacteria. The condition of the immune

system would also be important as to whether this reaction will

occur in a given person. So you can see that there are a lot of

variables that could explain why one person might have this reaction

and another might not.

Rich

> > >

> > > Can someone tell me what herxing is, please?

> > > Dawn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each

> >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> >discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

[Guest guest]

You said " the conditon of the immune system would be a factor " . In a good

way or a bad way? Meaning, should this happen in a healthy immune system,

or is this an undesirable effect indicating poor health? Is this an

experimental theory/diagnosis or is this accepted within the " medical

comunity " ? Also, does it only occur with antibiotics and bacterial

infections, or does it alos occur with antifungals and fungal infections,

antivirals and viral infections, ect?

Thanks for explaining this,

Dawn

>From: " rvankonynen " <richvank@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:20:34 -0000

>

>Hi, Dawn.

>

>When a Herxheimer reaction occurs, it's a temporary thing. It can

>be decreased by cutting back on the dosage of the treatment, and

>eventually the idea is to knock out the bacteria, and then the

>reaction will stop. I think whether or not a person gets this

>reaction depends on whether or not they have a paricular infection,

>how extensive it is, and how large a dose they are getting of a

>treatment that kills the bacteria. The condition of the immune

>system would also be important as to whether this reaction will

>occur in a given person. So you can see that there are a lot of

>variables that could explain why one person might have this reaction

>and another might not.

>

>Rich

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Can someone tell me what herxing is, please?

> > > > Dawn

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

>with each

> > >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

>treatment

> > >discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Which FFC are you going to?

Dawn

>From: " mojo060582 " <caporale@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:16:33 -0000

>

>Hi Dawn:

>

>I can tell we are both early in treatment at the FFC - we have the

>same questions!

>

>I posted this one as well before I read yours.

>

>Molly

>

>

> >

> > How did you clear your toxins?

> > -Dawn

> >

> >

> > >From: bhammanuk@...

> > >Reply-

> > >

> > >Subject: Re: Not tolerating multivitamin pills

> > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:24:46 EST

> > >

> > >I found by clearing my toxins - I can tolerate all nutritonals

>supps again

> > >

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Cs

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks, Rich. Is this something that will continue with the

therapy, or

> does it grdually decrease? Do they know what causes it? For

example, why

> person A would have this reaction and not person B? This is really

> interesting...

Hi Dawn - Herxing is one of those controversial subjects. Many

doctors don't believe that it exists. I read one doctor who said that

the only time he hears the term is when he is talking to someone with

CFS, and that no other group of patients ever use the term. In the 15

years that I have had CFS I have never once herxed while taking

antibiotics, or any of the various items I have tried (ie; candida

products).

If a person suddenly cuts caffeine or sugar from their diet, for

example, especially after a very long period of use, there can be

uncomfortable symptoms as they body goes through withdrawal, however,

I doubt very much that it is down to toxins being released.

I also read that if we had as many toxins in our bodies as some

people would have us believe that we would be dead, that the body

simply could not survive with that much sludge inside us.

Take care.

Bernie