'Roid rage etc, WAS Re: Sara's drug sensitivities

[Guest guest]

I wonder how the action of the Pale Spike Lobelia differs from the Lobelia

inflata that I used to stop my kid's seizures and others use just for calming.

mjh

In a message dated 3/7/2006 6:53:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ballady4@... writes:

Hi Katrina,

She said that it was something Dr. Jernigan (he has written

books on Lyme)makes up himself. It is called Pale Spike Lobelia. She

said she started with this then moved on to a combination of Pale

Spike/Silphitrin and no longer has any symtpoms. I hope it is okay to

post this info. from another board here. If not, please someone let me

know. He has a website which I've not been able to find but I think I

will order his book where he outlines his protocol, including the

above information.

Ballady

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Lobelia inflata extract is readily available at healthfood stores. I have

not seen the Pale Spike Lobelia in stores.

mjh

In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:43:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ballady4@... writes:

Is this an over the counter product from, for instance, an HFS?

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:54:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ballady4@... writes:

My understand is that this is something he (Dr. Jernigan) makes up

himself in his lab.

Pale spike Lobelia (Lobelia spicata) It's a common weed that grows in most

parts of the USA. I will have to harvest some in the Spring/Early summer

when it flowers here and play around with it in my 'lab' which looks a lot like

my kitchen. I've only worked with Lobelia inflata for seizures (more

effective than rectal diazepam) and Lobelia cardinalis.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:31:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ballady4@... writes:

Ha! Love it!

I've only worked with Lobelia inflata for seizures (more

> effective than rectal diazepam) and Lobelia cardinalis.

>

> mjh

mjh, you say many people on this board take it as a calming effect.

There seems to be different types of Lobelia Inflata. For calming what

would you recommend - the homeopathic pellets or the capsules?

Thanks

No, I did not say that many people on this board take it. I said that it

(Lobelia inflata) has a calming effect and it most certainly stops gran mal

seizure activity. I used about 8 drops sublingually and another 8 drops rubbed

into the base of the skull to stop gran mal seizures in my late son.

Since Lobelia inflata in larger doses can have some unpleasant side effects,

it is usually one ingredient in a blend of calming herbs which may also

include lemon balm, officinalis. It's in many stop smoking blends.

THe homeopathic Lobelia inflata may have fewer side effects. I do not know

as I have not used it.

I think where the confusion is coming from is that someone wrote that folks

on a LYME board are using Pale Spike Lobelia (Lobelia spicata) for mood issues

associated with Lyme disease. I will harvest some of that species of

Lobelia this season and play with it as I am not familiar with it's medicinal

virtues.

I have the benefit of a very large backyard with many ecosystems and I think

I know where it grows.... about 1/2 mile from the house in or near the

wetlands.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is, Kat. BUT, with humans it would depend on doseage, etc. Many

of the most valuable plant allies (including potatoes and tomatoes) can be

poisonous if used inappropriately. The degree and kind of toxicity are other

issues. Some methods of preparation reduce toxicity. So, it is not at all

clear cut, in my opinion.

mjh

In a message dated 3/7/2006 12:21:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,

katnap@... writes:

Is that the same Pale Spike Lobelia that is classified as a poisonous

plant on this web site?

http://cal.vet.upenn.edu/poison/plants/pplobel.htm

Kat.

--- In , foxhillers@... wrote:

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> I wonder how the action of the Pale Spike Lobelia differs from the

Lobelia

> inflata that I used to stop my kid's seizures and others use just

for calming.

>

> mjh

>

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Is that the same Pale Spike Lobelia that is classified as a poisonous

plant on this web site?

http://cal.vet.upenn.edu/poison/plants/pplobel.htm

Kat.

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>

>

> I wonder how the action of the Pale Spike Lobelia differs from the

Lobelia

> inflata that I used to stop my kid's seizures and others use just

for calming.

>

> mjh

>

> In a message dated 3/7/2006 6:53:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> ballady4@... writes:

>

> Hi Katrina,

>

> She said that it was something Dr. Jernigan (he has written

> books on Lyme)makes up himself. It is called Pale Spike Lobelia. She

> said she started with this then moved on to a combination of Pale

> Spike/Silphitrin and no longer has any symtpoms. I hope it is okay to

> post this info. from another board here. If not, please someone let me

> know. He has a website which I've not been able to find but I think I

> will order his book where he outlines his protocol, including the

> above information.

>

> Ballady