Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 2/20/06 1:54:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, foxhillers@... writes: I think the MSM and other sulfur compounds have helped to correct that sensitivity.... but, I ain't testing the theory any time soon other than to note that I can now drink red wines.>> Good morning, ita, I know this post was from a while back, but I am forever playing catch up. I have a question - do you think you couldn't drink red wines before because of a sulfur sensitivity? Aren't there sulfites in both red and white wines? Hic, Maxine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Hiya Maxine It is my understanding that the sulfites are naturally occuring on the grapeskins. Red wines are processed longer in the skins..... hence the color and the increase in sulfites in the resulting red wine. Nice to be able to enjoy the reds again and get the benefits of reds not found in whites. I do use the whites to make some herbal brews in season. hic. mjh In a message dated 3/5/06 9:43:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, weldmanm@... writes: Good morning, ita, I know this post was from a while back, but I am forever playing catch up. I have a question - do you think you couldn't drink red wines before because of a sulfur sensitivity? Aren't there sulfites in both red and white wines? Hic, Maxine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Hi, Maxine, mjh and the group. That's not quite accurate, but close. It's true that all wines contain some sulfite naturally, because during fermentation the yeasts unavoidably chemically reduce some of the sulfate that is found naturally in grape juice to sulfite. In addition, most wineries add some additional sulfite to prevent oxidation and thus stabilize the flavor of the wine. But even organic wines have some sulfite. Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what causes some people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some think it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. Here's a good webpage about this stuff: http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/sulfites.php Rich > > > Hiya Maxine > > It is my understanding that the sulfites are naturally occuring on the > grapeskins. Red wines are processed longer in the skins..... hence the color and > the increase in sulfites in the resulting red wine. > > Nice to be able to enjoy the reds again and get the benefits of reds not > found in whites. I do use the whites to make some herbal brews in season. hic. > > mjh > > > In a message dated 3/5/06 9:43:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > weldmanm@... writes: > > Good morning, ita, > > I know this post was from a while back, but I am forever playing catch up. > I have a question - do you think you couldn't drink red wines before > because > of a sulfur sensitivity? Aren't there sulfites in both red and white > wines? > > Hic, > > Maxine > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Rich, Maxine and all With me it was definitely sulfites, not tyramine. I was sensitive to sulfites and sulfa drugs since very early childhood. The response was not a headache. mjh In a message dated 3/6/2006 3:48:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, boyzee12000@... writes: > > Hi, Maxine, mjh and the group. > > That's not quite accurate, but close. It's true that all wines > contain some sulfite naturally, because during fermentation the > yeasts unavoidably chemically reduce some of the sulfate that is > found naturally in grape juice to sulfite. In addition, most > wineries add some additional sulfite to prevent oxidation and thus > stabilize the flavor of the wine. But even organic wines have some > sulfite. > > Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what causes some > people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some think > it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. Here's a good webpage > about this stuff: > > http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/sulfites.php > > Rich > mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 > > > > > > Hiya Maxine > > > > It is my understanding that the sulfites are naturally occuring on > the > > grapeskins. Red wines are processed longer in the skins..... > hence the color and > > the increase in sulfites in the resulting red wine. > > > > Nice to be able to enjoy the reds again and get the benefits of > reds not > > found in whites. I do use the whites to make some herbal brews > in season. hic. > > > > mjh > > > > > > In a message dated 3/5/06 9:43:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > weldmanm@ writes: > > > > Good morning, ita, > > > > I know this post was from a while back, but I am forever playing > catch up. > > I have a question - do you think you couldn't drink red wines > before > > because > > of a sulfur sensitivity? Aren't there sulfites in both red and > white > > wines? > > > > Hic, > > > > Maxine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Rich, You stated that " sulfites do not cause headaches " , yet I was told by my neurologist that my migraines could be triggered by sulfites. Are you telling me he has inaccurate information? Or have I somehow misunderstood you? Thanks, Dawn > > Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what causes some > > people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some think > > it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hi, Dawn. I'm sure that your neurologist knows things that I don't know, but from the standpoint of published research, I'm not aware of any support for that idea, and I just rechecked PubMed to confirm that. Rich > > Rich, > You stated that " sulfites do not cause headaches " , yet I was told by my > neurologist that my migraines could be triggered by sulfites. Are you > telling me he has inaccurate information? Or have I somehow misunderstood > you? > Thanks, > Dawn > > > > Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what causes some > > > people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some think > > > it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi Dawn. Just a thought, but it could be the molds in the red wine that give you problems. Wines are fermented so naturally they should contain some molds, even if they're minute quantities. Just my two cents, Dan > > > > Rich, > > You stated that " sulfites do not cause headaches " , yet I was told > by my > > neurologist that my migraines could be triggered by sulfites. Are > you > > telling me he has inaccurate information? Or have I somehow > misunderstood > > you? > > Thanks, > > Dawn > > > > > > Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what causes > some > > > > people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some > think > > > > it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 To tell you the truth, Rich, I am more inclined to believe that you are the one with accurate info. Thanks for your input! Dawn >From: " rvankonynen " <richvank@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Red wines-mjh >Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 06:00:22 -0000 > >Hi, Dawn. > >I'm sure that your neurologist knows things that I don't know, but >from the standpoint of published research, I'm not aware of any >support for that idea, and I just rechecked PubMed to confirm that. > >Rich > > > > > > > Rich, > > You stated that " sulfites do not cause headaches " , yet I was told >by my > > neurologist that my migraines could be triggered by sulfites. Are >you > > telling me he has inaccurate information? Or have I somehow >misunderstood > > you? > > Thanks, > > Dawn > > > > > > Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what causes >some > > > > people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some >think > > > > it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment >discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 This is probably my ignorance speaking, but if that were true, then why don't cheeses, white wine, or antibiotics cause my migraines? Maybe different kinds of mold? Dawn >From: " kdrbrill " <kdrbrill@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Red wines-mjh >Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:58:42 -0000 > >Hi Dawn. Just a thought, but it could be the molds in the red wine >that give you problems. Wines are fermented so naturally they >should contain some molds, even if they're minute quantities. > >Just my two cents, > >Dan > > > > > > > > Rich, > > > You stated that " sulfites do not cause headaches " , yet I was >told > > by my > > > neurologist that my migraines could be triggered by sulfites. >Are > > you > > > telling me he has inaccurate information? Or have I somehow > > misunderstood > > > you? > > > Thanks, > > > Dawn > > > > > > > > Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what >causes > > some > > > > > people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some > > think > > > > > it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment >discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Have to jump in again. People are different and bodies respond to different things. A tiny piece of cheese can put me in the hospital with a migraine that causes severe vomiting leading to dehydration. I can't even keep water down. I can take antibiotics. Haven't tried white wine and I'm afraid of red because it's aged, like cheese. Vicki Re: Red wines-mjh >>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:58:42 -0000 >> >>Hi Dawn. Just a thought, but it could be the molds in the red wine >>that give you problems. Wines are fermented so naturally they >>should contain some molds, even if they're minute quantities. >> >>Just my two cents, >> >>Dan >> >> >> > > >> > > Rich, >> > > You stated that " sulfites do not cause headaches " , yet I was >>told >> > by my >> > > neurologist that my migraines could be triggered by sulfites. >>Are >> > you >> > > telling me he has inaccurate information? Or have I somehow >> > misunderstood >> > > you? >> > > Thanks, >> > > Dawn >> > > >> > > > > Sulfite does not cause headaches. It isn't known what >>causes >> > some >> > > > > people (including me) to get headaches from red wine. Some >> > think >> > > > > it's tyramine, some think it's histamine. > >> > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >> > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each >>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment >>discussed here, please consult your doctor. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Isn't that weird how different our bodies are? I thought I was probably one of the most sensitive people (as far as close to 30 food intolerances/allergies, not to metion chemicals or fragrances), yet I have never gotten a migraine from cheese. Now fresh yeast, on the other hand, will drop me fast. Dawn >From: " vicki lockwood " <vickillockwood@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: Re: Red wines-mjh >Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:34:21 -0600 > >Have to jump in again. People are different and bodies respond to different >things. A tiny piece of cheese can put me in the hospital with a migraine >that causes severe vomiting leading to dehydration. I can't even keep water >down. I can take antibiotics. Haven't tried white wine and I'm afraid of >red >because it's aged, like cheese. >Vicki _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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