Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 --- In , Ellen Frieder < I certainly would not advocate that anyone ignore the > typical warning signs of osteoporosis risk. > > Ellen and that is certainly not what is being suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Hi, all. Dr. Huemer wrote a recent article for the Life Extension Magazine about osteoporosis. I know Dr. Huemer, and I know that he does his homework, and does not have an ax to grind. He is a member of the Orthomolecular Health Medicine Society. So I recommend this article: http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe? grab_id=0 & page_id=1924 & query=osteoporosis & hiword=OSTEOPOROS% 20OSTEOPOROSISA%20osteoporosis%20 Rich > > --- In , Ellen Frieder > > < I certainly would not advocate that anyone ignore the > > typical warning signs of osteoporosis risk. > > > > Ellen > > > and that is certainly not what is being suggested. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 What he is saying about the inferiority of the Dexa Scan (to the QCT) is right in line with Gillian Sansons message. > > > > --- In , Ellen Frieder > > > > < I certainly would not advocate that anyone ignore the > > > typical warning signs of osteoporosis risk. > > > > > > Ellen > > > > > > and that is certainly not what is being suggested. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Ellen, my mother had osteoporosis (and it finally crushed her) and she always felt I was " safe " because I was not skinny or small boned as she seemed to be. However...by the time I reached 50, I'd lost about an inch in height, and now that I'm late 50s, it's closer to 2 inches in height. A trip to the rheumatologist told me that loss of height in such a dramatic fashion is not caused by anything else (like the disk disease I have) as osteoporosis is the only thing that can reduce body " tallness " so much. I have none of the typical signs of osteoporosis and have never broken a thing in my life. There are other signs of osteoporosis, too -- besides the ones tyically thought of. > > Osteoporosis sure seems real to me. I am small-boned, and naturally thin, > and was told about 10 years ago (in my mid-thirties), after I broke my > shoulder and they x-rayed it, that I had osteopenia. I was doing what I > could to prevent osteoporosis, but seven years after that, I had a rude > surprise when I fell and found my hip was broken. It turns out, I only found > relatively recently, that I had a vitamin D deficiency I only wish someone > had turned up earlier. I certainly would not advocate that anyone ignore the > typical warning signs of osteoporosis risk. > > Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I would just advise not to take the " drugs " that have been developed to fix osteoporosis. They make the bones heavier but only by thickening the outside of the bone. They don't do anything to the inside of the bone that needs strength. So in studies they don't really prevent fractures. In the book " Overdosed America " , they have memos of the drug companies coming up with " marketing plans " to market a disease called " osteoporosis " because the market would be so huge. Obviously thee is something going on with your bones, no question. But the idea that every woman over 50 needs these drugs to prevent fractures is completely unproven. http://www.overdosedamerica.com/excerpts.php?id=2 Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Frieder Osteoporosis sure seems real to me. I am small-boned, and naturally thin, and was told about 10 years ago (in my mid-thirties), after I broke my shoulder and they x-rayed it, that I had osteopenia. I was doing what I could to prevent osteoporosis, but seven years after that, I had a rude surprise when I fell and found my hip was broken. It turns out, I only found relatively recently, that I had a vitamin D deficiency I only wish someone had turned up earlier. I certainly would not advocate that anyone ignore the typical warning signs of osteoporosis risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Yes, the biophosfate drugs, such as Fosamax, make the bones brittle, not stronger. Brittle bones can fracture as easily as weak bones. > > I would just advise not to take the " drugs " that have been developed to fix osteoporosis. They make the bones heavier but only by thickening the outside of the bone. They don't do anything to the inside of the bone that needs strength. So in studies they don't really prevent fractures. In the book " Overdosed America " , they have memos of the drug companies coming up with " marketing plans " to market a disease called " osteoporosis " because the market would be so huge. > > Obviously thee is something going on with your bones, no question. But the idea that every woman over 50 needs these drugs to prevent fractures is completely unproven. > > http://www.overdosedamerica.com/excerpts.php?id=2 > Doris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ellen Frieder > Osteoporosis sure seems real to me. I am small-boned, and naturally thin, > and was told about 10 years ago (in my mid-thirties), after I broke my > shoulder and they x-rayed it, that I had osteopenia. I was doing what I > could to prevent osteoporosis, but seven years after that, I had a rude > surprise when I fell and found my hip was broken. It turns out, I only found > relatively recently, that I had a vitamin D deficiency I only wish someone > had turned up earlier. I certainly would not advocate that anyone ignore the > typical warning signs of osteoporosis risk. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Thanks for the info, Doris. Without looking at the book or link yet, I'm betting on water fluoridation as being a nifty part of the (nefarious) " plans. " Perhaps just a nice cooperative side element. > > I would just advise not to take the " drugs " that have been developed to fix osteoporosis. They make the bones heavier but only by thickening the outside of the bone. They don't do anything to the inside of the bone that needs strength. So in studies they don't really prevent fractures. In the book " Overdosed America " , they have memos of the drug companies coming up with " marketing plans " to market a disease called " osteoporosis " because the market would be so huge. > > Obviously thee is something going on with your bones, no question. But the idea that every woman over 50 needs these drugs to prevent fractures is completely unproven. > > http://www.overdosedamerica.com/excerpts.php?id=2 > Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 There is a lady on the Delphi Osteomyelitis of the Jaw forum. She had cancer, took Fosamax, and developed a " porous " jaw with osteomyelitis. Desperate to solve the problem she had a 2X2 cm piece of bone grafted from her hip into the hole in her jaw. Her story is still developing. Anyway, the underground rumor is that the drugs, like Fosamax, are creating a tremendous problem just like this woman had. It may be a ticking time bomb of sorts. The rumor contiunes that, doctors are becoming aware of this problem and trying to quietly develop some sort of screening to see who might be suceptible to this side effect. Btw, people have had osteomyelitis of the jaw for some time from the mismatch between dentistry and medicine. Historically, your mouth has not been considered part of your body, medically speaking. So, it has been... well, like pulling teeth, to get " Best Medicine Practice " for osteomyelitis - so long as it was associated with your mouth. A dentist named Kulacz wrote a pretty good book about this in 2002, " The Roots of Disease " It is available on Amazon. I read it recently, and recommend it. Finally, it has been pointed out that, the bones in your head and jaw, are " different " from the bones in the rest of the body. When the fetus is developing in the womb, these bones form in a different way, from a different substrate, if I am not mistaken. The point is: drugs like Fosamax may have a different effect on bones from the neck down, than from the neck up, because the bones are of a somewhat different character. If you need these drugs really bad, hey, you need them. But they sound really dangerous to me. Osteomyelitis in your face is really, really, scarey. The silver lining to all this is that, the increasing numbers of patients taking Fosamax, and then POSSIBLY developing osteomyelitis of the jaw or mandible, hopefully will focus a spotlight on this VERY neglected " no man's land " between dentistry and medicine. There REALLY needs to be a lot of money spent on research for bone diseases of the jaw !!! Perhaps, the bisphosonates will bring this about? Zippy ==================================================== > > Yes, the biophosfate drugs, such as Fosamax, make the bones brittle, > not stronger. Brittle bones can fracture as easily as weak bones. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I'm beginning to think I may have a focal osteomyelitis, or else a bit more likely is that the tooth behind my extraction got infected by the terrible job done in the extraction, fracturing, stitching probably with unsterile techniques. I will say, that unless screwed up like that, the bone in the mouth is known to produce antimicrobial peptides. Otherwise we'd all be dead already of bone infections because the mouth has so many pathogens. > > > > Yes, the biophosfate drugs, such as Fosamax, make the bones brittle, > > not stronger. Brittle bones can fracture as easily as weak bones. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 On another health board I belong to a number of members have posted either devleoping, or knowing someone who developed, jaw necrosis after having been on Fosamax. > > > > Yes, the biophosfate drugs, such as Fosamax, make the bones brittle, > > not stronger. Brittle bones can fracture as easily as weak bones. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Very good points. It is a puzzle why some people seem so prone to develop osteomyelitis of the jaw, while others seem nearly immune to it. Dr. Glueck in Cincinnati, and others, are doing studies on hypercoagulation problems related to this. Dr. Shankland's site has some good information (and gross photos !) too. I think it is very probable that SNP's are involved in this area, as well. Otherwise, how could somebody be shot, stabbed, have their teeth kicked in, etc., etc., and still keep right on truckin' until they're finally killed by a jealous boyfriend with a shotgun 15 years later? Meanwhile, other poor souls just recline gingerly in a dentists chair, and POW ! they have osteomyelits, or cavitations, etc.. And their health is what gets shot. I suspect we may find that the SNP's are similar for both CFS, and for people who seem trapped by dental infections. There's something the matter with the energy/immune cycle (perhaps). So that an occult infection has more of chance to develop, and once established, has an easier time of taking the system below a functional level. Think of it like a radio signal, with a certain noise to signal ratio. Those with more SNP's have a higher noise ratio to begin with, additional burdens make the proper signal less and less recognizeable. On the other hand, some dental infections, that result in a serious decline in health in an otherwise sound individual, may simply be poor dental technique and unkind fate. But these things do happen, and sooooo few people in medicine and dentistry seem to currently care. That's my take on things. Zippy ========================================================= > > I'm beginning to think I may have a focal osteomyelitis, or else a bit > more likely is that the tooth behind my extraction got infected by the > terrible job done in the extraction, fracturing, stitching probably > with unsterile techniques. > > I will say, that unless screwed up like that, the bone in the mouth is > known to produce antimicrobial peptides. Otherwise we'd all be dead > already of bone infections because the mouth has so many pathogens. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 ---I know shankland uses the www.cavitat.com. Any views of that? It would be interesting getting a sample of CFS patients screened and see how many. Dr Klinghartdt www.neuraltherapy.com according to a patient of his, says most ill people he sees need cavitation surgery. Help its an epidemic! Sunny thoughts, Wallace In , " bhp355 " <zippy890@...> wrote: > > Very good points. It is a puzzle why some people seem > so prone to develop osteomyelitis of the jaw, while others > seem nearly immune to it. > > Dr. Glueck in Cincinnati, and others, are doing studies on > hypercoagulation problems related to this. Dr. Shankland's > site has some good information (and gross photos !) too. > > I think it is very probable that SNP's are involved in this > area, as well. Otherwise, how could somebody be shot, stabbed, > have their teeth kicked in, etc., etc., and still keep right on > truckin' until they're finally killed by a jealous boyfriend > with a shotgun 15 years later? Meanwhile, other poor souls just > recline gingerly in a dentists chair, and POW ! they have osteomyelits, > or cavitations, etc.. And their health is what gets shot. > > I suspect we may find that the SNP's are similar for both > CFS, and for people who seem trapped by dental infections. > There's something the matter with the energy/immune cycle (perhaps). > So that an occult infection has more of chance to develop, and > once established, has an easier time of taking the system below > a functional level. > > Think of it like a radio signal, with a certain noise to signal > ratio. Those with more SNP's have a higher noise ratio to begin > with, additional burdens make the proper signal less and less > recognizeable. > > On the other hand, some dental infections, that result in a serious > decline in health in an otherwise sound individual, may simply be poor > dental technique and unkind fate. > > But these things do happen, and sooooo > few people in medicine and dentistry seem to currently care. > > That's my take on things. > Zippy > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > > > > > I'm beginning to think I may have a focal osteomyelitis, or else a bit > > more likely is that the tooth behind my extraction got infected by the > > terrible job done in the extraction, fracturing, stitching probably > > with unsterile techniques. > > > > I will say, that unless screwed up like that, the bone in the mouth is > > known to produce antimicrobial peptides. Otherwise we'd all be dead > > already of bone infections because the mouth has so many pathogens. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I have heard greatly varying opinions on the Cavitat, but I am in NO position to offer any advice of great import on the issue. Personally, I think I would be reluctant to place too much emphasis on this one imaging technology. I would want some addition information before I got aggressive. On the other hand, these things are notorious for being difficult to image with any current technology. So, perhaps, we shouldn't shriek and run when someone pulls out a cavitat, either. An epidemic? Probably. I think even a lot of healthy people are carrying dental infections. Their bodies are just able to deal with them. It's just plain weird that this is so underecognized, researched, and " attempted " to be treated with Best Medicine Practices for Osteomyelitis. People should keep squacking about this until the medical/dental profession gets off their keesters and at least makes an effort. Best, Zippy ==================================================== > > ---I know shankland uses the www.cavitat.com. Any views of that? > It would be interesting getting a sample of CFS patients screened > and see how many. Dr Klinghartdt www.neuraltherapy.com according > to a patient of his, says most ill people he sees need cavitation > surgery. Help its an epidemic! > > Sunny thoughts, > Wallace > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 ---For more discussion try http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=041610 Sunny thouughts, Wallace In , " bhp355 " <zippy890@...> wrote: > > I have heard greatly varying opinions on the Cavitat, but > I am in NO position to offer any advice of great import on > the issue. > > Personally, I think I would be reluctant to place too much > emphasis on this one imaging technology. I would want some > addition information before I got aggressive. On the other hand, > these things are notorious for being difficult to image with any > current technology. So, perhaps, we shouldn't shriek and run when > someone pulls out a cavitat, either. > > An epidemic? Probably. > > I think even a lot of healthy people are carrying dental infections. > Their bodies are just able to deal with them. > > It's just plain weird that this is so underecognized, researched, and > " attempted " to be treated with Best Medicine Practices for > Osteomyelitis. > > People should keep squacking about this until the medical/dental > profession gets off their keesters and at least makes an effort. > > > Best, > Zippy > > > ==================================================== > > > > > > > ---I know shankland uses the www.cavitat.com. Any views of that? > > It would be interesting getting a sample of CFS patients screened > > and see how many. Dr Klinghartdt www.neuraltherapy.com according > > to a patient of his, says most ill people he sees need cavitation > > surgery. Help its an epidemic! > > > > Sunny thoughts, > > Wallace > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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