Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I did the Quest Western Blot, and they checked for 10 bands for IgG and 3 bands for IgM. All negative. Does anyone sense if it would be worthwhile doing Igenex? What would make them find it when Quest did not? I'd have to pay out-of-pocket and I've not had some of the Lyme symptoms, so not sure it's worth it in my case. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Barbara, I am sorry for what you are going through. There is nothing worse than having our children suffer. The tests done at the regular labs are usually not worth doing, as they do not look at enough bands on the wetern blot and many people with Lyme get a negative test when they are infected. If you can afford to use IgeneX get the IgG, IgM and the urine test with the reverse western blot. Call IgeneX. They have a website, and ask them for a doctor in Ontario or New York state who is using their lab. I hope you can find someone. There is a good doctor in Vancouver, BC but he is not on the government medical system so can be expensive. a > > > > There are various Igenex tests. Some are relatively use standard > blood > > drawing but in our opinion are more sensative than the standard > lab Eliza or > > Western Blot. These are antibody tests. Other tests are serum PCR > which track the > > Borellia spirochete, the bacteria which causes Lymes Disease. > > A provocative variation of this is the Igenex LUAT and a newer > Igenex method. > > The LUAT (Lymes Urine Antigen Test) requires the patient to take > an > > antibiotic prior to the test to provoke the borellia to die and > pass out in the urine. > > So the order of testing would be the straight serum tests and if > negative the > > provocative test. > > > > regards > > Enlander MD > > New York > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/6/2006 10:43:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > brfifield@ writes: > > Hi: > > > > I just booked an Igenex Lyme test for my son for next week. They > didn't > > mention anything about being on antibiotics first. Should I > question this? He has > > been very ill for many years. > > > > Thanks, > > bf > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Rich, I had a Lyme Dot Blot test, but I don't recall that it was provoked with antibiotics. Has the procedure changed, or was my test done incorrectly? Tim Rich wrote, " Just a small point concerning the LUAT test: Igenex now offers the Lyme Dot Blot urine test, which is an upgraded version of the LUAT test. The LUAT test was impugned by a study sponsored by the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases some time back, and it is no longer offered. Rich " > > There are various Igenex tests. Some are relatively use standard blood > drawing but in our opinion are more sensative than the standard lab Eliza or > Western Blot. These are antibody tests. Other tests are serum PCR which track the > Borellia spirochete, the bacteria which causes Lymes Disease. > A provocative variation of this is the Igenex LUAT and a newer Igenex method. > The LUAT (Lymes Urine Antigen Test) requires the patient to take an > antibiotic prior to the test to provoke the borellia to die and pass out in the urine. > So the order of testing would be the straight serum tests and if negative the > provocative test. > > regards > Enlander MD > New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Hi, Tim. Here's what it says about that on the Igenex site now: " What Test(s) to Order Based on our tracking, as well as input from our client physicians and our clinical consultant, the initial tests to order for Lyme disease are the IGeneX IgM and IgG Western Blot and PCRs. The Western Blots are used to determine if the patient is making antibodies. Since some patients do not make antibodies, the Lyme Serum PCR for DNA (# 453) or the Lyme Whole Blood PCR for DNA (# 456) is included in the initial panel. Thus, the Initial Lyme Panel includes both Western Blots and your choice of PCR: Panel 5000: #s 188, 189 & 453 (PCR—serum) Panel 5010: #s188, 189 & 456 (PCR—whole blood) If the above panel is negative, the follow-up test for Lyme disease is the Lyme Dot Blot / PCR Panel # 875. This panel looks for pieces of the bacteria in urine as well as the DNA of Lyme in the urine. Most physicians use an antibiotic challenge to make the test more sensitive. The antibiotic protocol, as well as the general instructions, can be found in the urine testing kit available from the laboratory. You may also call IGeneX for a copy. The combination of all of the above tests provides higher than 90% sensitivity and better than 95% specificity. Remember that Lyme disease is a clinical diagnosis and testing can support your clinical presentation. We also offer tests for the common co-infections of Babesia, Ehrlichia, and Bartonella. These co-infections are seen in approximately 20% of the patients with Lyme disease. The usual first tests to order for the co-infections are IFA antibody tests: # 200 Babesia microti; # 203 or 206 Ehrlichia; and # 285 Bartonella. In Northern California, Oregon and Washington State, # 710 (Babesia WA- 1) is substituted for # 200 for Babesia antibodies. Panels have been established for the Midwest/Eastern Region (Panel 5020), the Western Region (Panel 5040), and the Southern Region (Panel 5050). The FISH test (# 640) is also used because it is a sensitive indicator of Babesia infection, even in the absence of antibodies. Test kits are available with shipping materials at no charge from IGeneX, Inc. Call 800.832.3200 or e-mail us at customerservice@... Dr. Nick S. and J. , MD June 2005 " Rich > > Rich, > > I had a Lyme Dot Blot test, but I don't recall that it was provoked with > antibiotics. Has the procedure changed, or was my test done incorrectly? > > Tim > > Rich wrote, > > " Just a small point concerning the LUAT test: Igenex now offers the > Lyme Dot Blot urine test, which is an upgraded version of the LUAT > test. The LUAT test was impugned by a study sponsored by the > National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases some time > back, and it is no longer offered. > > Rich " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 On Feb 7, 2006, at 4:51 PM, pjeanneus wrote: > > I hope you can find someone. There is a good doctor in Vancouver, BC > but he is not on the government medical system so can be expensive. Name, please? I'm looking... Sara (in Vancouver) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Tim, was your test positive? It cannot possibly have been done right without the antibiotic challenge. Also, it is much more accurate, about as accurate as you are going to get if they do a reverse western blot on any positive samples. a > > Rich, > > I had a Lyme Dot Blot test, but I don't recall that it was provoked with > antibiotics. Has the procedure changed, or was my test done incorrectly? > > Tim > > Rich wrote, > > " Just a small point concerning the LUAT test: Igenex now offers the > Lyme Dot Blot urine test, which is an upgraded version of the LUAT > test. The LUAT test was impugned by a study sponsored by the > National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases some time > back, and it is no longer offered. > > Rich " > > > > > > There are various Igenex tests. Some are relatively use standard > blood > > drawing but in our opinion are more sensative than the standard > lab Eliza or > > Western Blot. These are antibody tests. Other tests are serum PCR > which track the > > Borellia spirochete, the bacteria which causes Lymes Disease. > > A provocative variation of this is the Igenex LUAT and a newer > Igenex method. > > The LUAT (Lymes Urine Antigen Test) requires the patient to take > an > > antibiotic prior to the test to provoke the borellia to die and > pass out in the urine. > > So the order of testing would be the straight serum tests and if > negative the > > provocative test. > > > > regards > > Enlander MD > > New York > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Write me off list at pj7@... We will be in Vancouver in a week - visiting son. a > > > On Feb 7, 2006, at 4:51 PM, pjeanneus wrote: > > > > > I hope you can find someone. There is a good doctor in Vancouver, BC > > but he is not on the government medical system so can be expensive. > > Name, please? I'm looking... > > Sara > (in Vancouver) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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