Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I was prescribed hGH last July, unfortunately I cannot afford it and it is not a covered drug under the Medicare Part D plans I looked at either. The doc also prescribed parathyroid hormone which I also cannot afford. So, it's life in the slow lane.............. _http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/drugindex/rxsearch.asp?search=genotropin_ (http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/drugindex/rxsearch.asp?search=genotropin) PS there are a number of secretagouges available, all with different formulas. In a message dated 2/10/2006 11:10:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, rosiecox@... writes: Hi Ian, I too was recently looking at what Dr M says about the HGH and looked up the product you and she mention. My reasoning for this is that when I discussed with her how remarkably well I became as a result of pregnancy (I thought it might have been due to the immuno-suppression of pregnancy) she thought it was likely to be as a result of the huge amounts of growth hormone around at that time. Certainly my skin became very clear and I could eat like a herd of horses without putting on any weight, which would link into this quite apart from the major feelings of energy and well-being which persisted well beyond parturition. Apparently it is Teitlebaum that has been using HGH but it is very expensive. (The table referring to HGH supplementation in the NICE consultative document seem to suggest it is not particularly efficacious (but then it might be one of those sub-set things). If you go ahead and try this sytropin I would be very interested to know how you get on via this site or Dr M's. rosie Hi mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Has anyone tried HGH (Human Growth Hormones).. I'm rather tempted to try this: http://www.sytropin.co.uk There's an easy-to-read list of benefits attributed to HGH here (a different supplement): http://tinyurl.com/e2kv4 The increased energy, strengthening of cardiovascular & immune system attributes sounds good. This particular supplement also contains various amino acids too: http://www.sytropin.co.uk/sytropin-ingredients.htm I was actually looking at DHEA supplements because I reckon my adrenals are probably a bit knackered because of decades of over stimulation due to general stress & nervousness, and came across HGH as it seems that it can normalise various hormonal levels and strengthen resistance to stress. Another thing I found out was that I thought was interesting is that apparently the hours of sleep before midnight are when the body releases HGH (hence the " hour before midnight is worth 2 after midnight " saying). I've practically never gone to bed before midnight, so my HGH levels must be pretty low! There's also an article on HGH by Dr Myhill and she mentions HGH in relation to CFS: http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=369 Regards Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Ian, I too was recently looking at what Dr M says about the HGH and looked up the product you and she mention. My reasoning for this is that when I discussed with her how remarkably well I became as a result of pregnancy (I thought it might have been due to the immuno-suppression of pregnancy) she thought it was likely to be as a result of the huge amounts of growth hormone around at that time. Certainly my skin became very clear and I could eat like a herd of horses without putting on any weight, which would link into this quite apart from the major feelings of energy and well-being which persisted well beyond parturition. Apparently it is Teitlebaum that has been using HGH but it is very expensive. (The table referring to HGH supplementation in the NICE consultative document seem to suggest it is not particularly efficacious (but then it might be one of those sub-set things). If you go ahead and try this sytropin I would be very interested to know how you get on via this site or Dr M's. rosie Hi Has anyone tried HGH (Human Growth Hormones).. I'm rather tempted to try this: http://www.sytropin.co.uk There's an easy-to-read list of benefits attributed to HGH here (a different supplement): http://tinyurl.com/e2kv4 The increased energy, strengthening of cardiovascular & immune system attributes sounds good. This particular supplement also contains various amino acids too: http://www.sytropin.co.uk/sytropin-ingredients.htm I was actually looking at DHEA supplements because I reckon my adrenals are probably a bit knackered because of decades of over stimulation due to general stress & nervousness, and came across HGH as it seems that it can normalise various hormonal levels and strengthen resistance to stress. Another thing I found out was that I thought was interesting is that apparently the hours of sleep before midnight are when the body releases HGH (hence the " hour before midnight is worth 2 after midnight " saying). I've practically never gone to bed before midnight, so my HGH levels must be pretty low! There's also an article on HGH by Dr Myhill and she mentions HGH in relation to CFS: http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=369 Regards Ian This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Ian. Dr. Cheney was using HGH and may still use it. I know that you have to be prepared for the treatment, TH1 - TH2 in balance and some other requirements, for it to work. Otherwise it can be of no benefit or harmful. There are probably people on the group who have used it who can give you more info. There is probably more on Dr. Cheney's approach on the Dallas/FT. Worth web site: http://www.dfwcfids.org/index.shtml Tom > > Hi > > Has anyone tried HGH (Human Growth Hormones).. I'm rather tempted to > try this: > http://www.sytropin.co.uk > > There's an easy-to-read list of benefits attributed to HGH here (a > different supplement): > http://tinyurl.com/e2kv4 > > The increased energy, strengthening of cardiovascular & immune > system attributes sounds good. > > This particular supplement also contains various amino acids too: > http://www.sytropin.co.uk/sytropin-ingredients.htm > > I was actually looking at DHEA supplements because I reckon my > adrenals are probably a bit knackered because of decades of over > stimulation due to general stress & nervousness, and came across HGH > as it seems that it can normalise various hormonal levels and > strengthen resistance to stress. > > Another thing I found out was that I thought was interesting is that > apparently the hours of sleep before midnight are when the body > releases HGH (hence the " hour before midnight is worth 2 after > midnight " saying). I've practically never gone to bed before > midnight, so my HGH levels must be pretty low! There's also an > article on HGH by Dr Myhill and she mentions HGH in relation to CFS: > http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=369 > > Regards > > Ian > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 In a message dated 2/10/2006 3:02:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, ianw_34@... writes: Arginine is no good if you get cold sores, or other herpes, as it will cause them to come up. Not if you use equal parts of L-Lysine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Yes, I used injected synthetic growth hormone for five years. In the US it is covered by insurance IF you test low in it - have to have a correct test done, not just IGF-1 levels. My endocrinologist has just discontinued it for me as I now have nice normal IGF-1 levels. My improvement seems to be related to taking Recuperation and magnesium taurinate. I cannot explain that, but am not looking a gift horse from God in the mouth at this time in my life. Many cfs and AIDS patients are extremely low in growth hormone. Six years ago I produced none after exercise - this is not healthy and should be addressed if you can get tested and then afford the stuff. a Carnes > > Hi > > Has anyone tried HGH (Human Growth Hormones).. I'm rather tempted to > try this: > http://www.sytropin.co.uk > > There's an easy-to-read list of benefits attributed to HGH here (a > different supplement): > http://tinyurl.com/e2kv4 > > The increased energy, strengthening of cardiovascular & immune > system attributes sounds good. > > This particular supplement also contains various amino acids too: > http://www.sytropin.co.uk/sytropin-ingredients.htm > > I was actually looking at DHEA supplements because I reckon my > adrenals are probably a bit knackered because of decades of over > stimulation due to general stress & nervousness, and came across HGH > as it seems that it can normalise various hormonal levels and > strengthen resistance to stress. > > Another thing I found out was that I thought was interesting is that > apparently the hours of sleep before midnight are when the body > releases HGH (hence the " hour before midnight is worth 2 after > midnight " saying). I've practically never gone to bed before > midnight, so my HGH levels must be pretty low! There's also an > article on HGH by Dr Myhill and she mentions HGH in relation to CFS: > http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=369 > > Regards > > Ian > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Any GOOD endocrinologist who treats ADULT growth hormone deficiences can test and treat you. IMO and that of my endocrinologis Dr. Cheney is way underdosing his patients. I would find an endo who uses the stuff and go with whatever he or she tells you. This treatment is fairly common now and safe and understood with the right doctor. a > > Hi Ian. > > Dr. Cheney was using HGH and may still use it. I know that you have > to be prepared for the treatment, TH1 - TH2 in balance and some > other requirements, for it to work. Otherwise it can be of no > benefit or harmful. There are probably people on the group who have > used it who can give you more info. There is probably more on Dr. > Cheney's approach on the Dallas/FT. Worth web site: > http://www.dfwcfids.org/index.shtml > > Tom > > > > > > > Hi > > > > Has anyone tried HGH (Human Growth Hormones).. I'm rather tempted > to > > try this: > > http://www.sytropin.co.uk > > > > There's an easy-to-read list of benefits attributed to HGH here (a > > different supplement): > > http://tinyurl.com/e2kv4 > > > > The increased energy, strengthening of cardiovascular & immune > > system attributes sounds good. > > > > This particular supplement also contains various amino acids too: > > http://www.sytropin.co.uk/sytropin-ingredients.htm > > > > I was actually looking at DHEA supplements because I reckon my > > adrenals are probably a bit knackered because of decades of over > > stimulation due to general stress & nervousness, and came across > HGH > > as it seems that it can normalise various hormonal levels and > > strengthen resistance to stress. > > > > Another thing I found out was that I thought was interesting is > that > > apparently the hours of sleep before midnight are when the body > > releases HGH (hence the " hour before midnight is worth 2 after > > midnight " saying). I've practically never gone to bed before > > midnight, so my HGH levels must be pretty low! There's also an > > article on HGH by Dr Myhill and she mentions HGH in relation to CFS: > > http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=369 > > > > Regards > > > > Ian > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Rosie > I too was recently looking at what Dr M says about the HGH and looked up > the product you and she mention. My reasoning for this is that when I > discussed with her how remarkably well I became as a result of pregnancy > (I thought it might have been due to the immuno-suppression of > pregnancy) she thought it was likely to be as a result of the huge > amounts of growth hormone around at that time. Certainly my skin became > very clear and I could eat like a herd of horses without putting on any > weight, which would link into this quite apart from the major feelings > of energy and well-being which persisted well beyond parturition. Yes, that would figure because I think breast milk contains alot of HGH, so you would have still been producing them for that. > Apparently it is Teitlebaum that has been using HGH but it is very > expensive. £40 a bottle (a months supply) that Sytropin but you get 3 months for the price of two. I wouldn't class that as " very expensive " though, or do you think that the real mcoy Teitlebaum is using is more potent? > (The table referring to HGH supplementation in the NICE > consultative document seem to suggest it is not particularly efficacious > (but then it might be one of those sub-set things). > > If you go ahead and try this sytropin I would be very interested to know > how you get on via this site or Dr M's. Well, err, as it happens I did order 3 months worth and it came this morning (v.quick delivery!), so tonight is the first night. It sounds like it takes a while to take effect but will certainly report back if it is any help. Regards Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Tom > Dr. Cheney was using HGH and may still use it. I know that you have > to be prepared for the treatment, TH1 - TH2 in balance and some > other requirements, for it to work. Otherwise it can be of no > benefit or harmful. There are probably people on the group who have > used it who can give you more info. There is probably more on Dr. > Cheney's approach on the Dallas/FT. Worth web site: > http://www.dfwcfids.org/index.shtml Thanks for the link. Just checked out his site and he says this: " The use of human growth hormone may be of significant value in the treatment of idiopathic dilated cardiomyopathy (IDC) and CHF. A recent study of seven patients with IDC and moderate to severe CHF evaluated the effects of human growth hormone. The patients were given 14 international units (IU) of growth hormone in conjunction with conventional treatments for 3 months. Use of the hormone was discontinued for an additional 3 months. The results of the study indicated that growth hormone improved cardiac output and clinical symptoms, doubled ventricular mechanical function, and increased exercise capacity. After discontinuation of growth hormone, many of the beneficial effects were partially reversed. A second study had similar results; the researchers concluded that growth hormone, used in addition to conventional therapies, reduced the workload of the myocardium and deactivated the levels of the neurohormone aldosterone. The drawback to the use of human growth hormone in the treatment of CHF and IDC is its cost. For patients who cannot afford this therapy, 6 to 10 grams daily of arginine, an amino acid, may help to improve cardiac output. " Back to the cost issue again. Arginine is no good if you get cold sores, or other herpes, as it will cause them to come up. Regards Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 > Yes, I used injected synthetic growth hormone for five years. In the > US it is covered by insurance IF you test low in it - have to have a > correct test done, not just IGF-1 levels. My endocrinologist has > just discontinued it for me as I now have nice normal IGF-1 levels. > My improvement seems to be related to taking Recuperation and > magnesium taurinate. I cannot explain that, but am not looking a > gift horse from God in the mouth at this time in my life. > > Many cfs and AIDS patients are extremely low in growth hormone. Six > years ago I produced none after exercise - this is not healthy and > should be addressed if you can get tested and then afford the stuff. Did it have beneficial effects during those 5 years? (that's a long time!) I tried to get my GP to refer me to an endocrinologist a year or so back because I noticed many of my CFS symptoms matched those of adrenal fatigue and it seemed a logical avenue to pursue. However he said he couldn't refer me to one with CFS, presumably because it's not a recommend avenue of investigation in the UK for CFS sufferers. Regards Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I think the growth hormone helped. For one thing I think it kept my muscles stronger and kept my weight down some. But it is no miracle cure for cfs. In the US if you can prove by testing that your pituitary produces no growth hormone in response to exercise insurance will cover the cost. Once I got on it the endos didn't want to test me again because you had to be really bad for insurance to pick up the bill. They did test my IGF-1 level every three months. In the past six months it has risen to a nice normal level. This seems to be related to Recuperation. I used to get higher levels while taking ImmunoPro as well. So, I think there are things that will help growth hormone levels besides injected synthetic growth hormone. a > > > > Yes, I used injected synthetic growth hormone for five years. In > the > > US it is covered by insurance IF you test low in it - have to have > a > > correct test done, not just IGF-1 levels. My endocrinologist has > > just discontinued it for me as I now have nice normal IGF-1 levels. > > My improvement seems to be related to taking Recuperation and > > magnesium taurinate. I cannot explain that, but am not looking a > > gift horse from God in the mouth at this time in my life. > > > > Many cfs and AIDS patients are extremely low in growth hormone. Six > > years ago I produced none after exercise - this is not healthy and > > should be addressed if you can get tested and then afford the stuff. > > Did it have beneficial effects during those 5 years? (that's a long > time!) I tried to get my GP to refer me to an endocrinologist a year > or so back because I noticed many of my CFS symptoms matched those of > adrenal fatigue and it seemed a logical avenue to pursue. However he > said he couldn't refer me to one with CFS, presumably because it's > not a recommend avenue of investigation in the UK for CFS sufferers. > > Regards > Ian > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Hi Ian, >£40 a bottle (a months supply) that Sytropin but you get 3 months for the price of two. I wouldn't class that as " very expensive " though, or do you think that the real mcoy Teitlebaum is using is more potent? £40 a month would be peanuts to feel like I did when I was pregnant, but it may well be that Teitlebaum is using hgh extracted from animals which could be a lot more expensive and there are safety issue too - cjd etc. (BTW I hadn't made the breast milk / HGH connection - you may well be right - although I felt better for a good 18 months and only breast fed for 9weeks and 6 weeks for each child. Actually, now I come to think of it there could be another possible pointer - this may be to yuk for the male readers, but despite being a very small frame with not a lot going on in the boob department I had way too much milk which I why I gave up pretty quickly. Everyone assumed that I wouldn't produce as much as the rather larger endowed ladies but it was quite the reverse - big time (I won't give details of that because it would definitely affect your sensibilities! ;-)) but high levels of HGH might have caused this excess). >Well, err, as it happens I did order 3 months worth and it came this morning (v.quick delivery!), so tonight is the first night. It sounds like it takes a while to take effect but will certainly report back if it is any help. Dr M definitely seems to suggest it is HGH in the prep she mentions but then other sites of similar products seem to give the impression that it is just a secretagogue or precursor. Do you have any info on your packs which would be clearer? Can't wait to hear of any developments, Rosie This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I've read that colostrum contains IGF-1, which rises in response to HGH. Ellen So, I think there are things > that will help growth hormone levels besides injected synthetic > growth hormone. > > a > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Growth hormone is a large molecule and cannot be absorbed in the gut. It must be injected. No one injects animal products now. Injected growth hormone is all synthetic. Any product you swallow is only a precursor and since the real thing isn't a cure the precursors are not going to do much either. A product related to your feeling better while breast feeding would be oxytocin. Oxytocin can be gotten with a prescription in injected form, pill form, and a nasal spray, I think. It is also a large molecule yet the pill form does seem to be effective. This hormone makes you feel relaxed and tends to increase sex drive. Dr. Flechas and Teitelbaum have used it for patients. They state that one must have normal levels of DHEA for the oxytocin to be effective. I have heard of no one cured on either of these, but they might be worth trying if you can get your insurance to cover them. a > > > > Hi Ian, > > > >£40 a bottle (a months supply) that Sytropin but you get 3 months for > the price of two. I wouldn't class that as " very expensive " though, > or do you think that the real mcoy Teitlebaum is using is more potent? > > £40 a month would be peanuts to feel like I did when I was pregnant, but > it may well be that Teitlebaum is using hgh extracted from animals which > could be a lot more expensive and there are safety issue too - cjd etc. > (BTW I hadn't made the breast milk / HGH connection - you may well be > right - although I felt better for a good 18 months and only breast fed > for 9weeks and 6 weeks for each child. Actually, now I come to think of > it there could be another possible pointer - this may be to yuk for the > male readers, but despite being a very small frame with not a lot going > on in the boob department I had way too much milk which I why I gave up > pretty quickly. Everyone assumed that I wouldn't produce as much as the > rather larger endowed ladies but it was quite the reverse - big time (I > won't give details of that because it would definitely affect your > sensibilities! ;-)) but high levels of HGH might have caused this > excess). > > >Well, err, as it happens I did order 3 months worth and it came this > morning (v.quick delivery!), so tonight is the first night. It sounds > like it takes a while to take effect but will certainly report back > if it is any help. > > Dr M definitely seems to suggest it is HGH in the prep she mentions but > then other sites of similar products seem to give the impression that it > is just a secretagogue or precursor. Do you have any info on your packs > which would be clearer? > Can't wait to hear of any developments, > > > Rosie > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with > each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Hi a, >>A product related to your feeling better while breast feeding would be oxytocin. Oxytocin can be gotten with a prescription in injected form, pill form, and a nasal spray, I think. It is also a large molecule yet the pill form does seem to be effective. This hormone makes you feel relaxed and tends to increase sex drive. Dr. Flechas and Teitelbaum have used it for patients. They state that one must have normal levels of DHEA for the oxytocin to be effective. >>I have heard of no one cured on either of these, but they might be worth trying if you can get your insurance to cover them. Thanks for this info on oxytocin,I'll certainly look into it. I understand my DHEA levels are normal so it might be an avenue to try with Dr Myhill. Rosie > > > > Hi Ian, > > > >£40 a bottle (a months supply) that Sytropin but you get 3 months for > the price of two. I wouldn't class that as " very expensive " though, > or do you think that the real mcoy Teitlebaum is using is more potent? > > £40 a month would be peanuts to feel like I did when I was pregnant, but > it may well be that Teitlebaum is using hgh extracted from animals which > could be a lot more expensive and there are safety issue too - cjd etc. > (BTW I hadn't made the breast milk / HGH connection - you may well be > right - although I felt better for a good 18 months and only breast fed > for 9weeks and 6 weeks for each child. Actually, now I come to think of > it there could be another possible pointer - this may be to yuk for the > male readers, but despite being a very small frame with not a lot going > on in the boob department I had way too much milk which I why I gave up > pretty quickly. Everyone assumed that I wouldn't produce as much as the > rather larger endowed ladies but it was quite the reverse - big time (I > won't give details of that because it would definitely affect your > sensibilities! ;-)) but high levels of HGH might have caused this > excess). > > >Well, err, as it happens I did order 3 months worth and it came this > morning (v.quick delivery!), so tonight is the first night. It sounds > like it takes a while to take effect but will certainly report back > if it is any help. > > Dr M definitely seems to suggest it is HGH in the prep she mentions but > then other sites of similar products seem to give the impression that it > is just a secretagogue or precursor. Do you have any info on your packs > which would be clearer? > Can't wait to hear of any developments, > > > Rosie > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with > each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 > > > In a message dated 2/10/2006 3:02:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ianw_34@... writes: > > Arginine is no good if you get cold > sores, or other herpes, as it will cause them to come up. > > > > Not if you use equal parts of L-Lysine. Doesn't the Lysine compete for absorption though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Hi Rosie > £40 a month would be peanuts to feel like I did when I was pregnant, but > it may well be that Teitlebaum is using hgh extracted from animals which > could be a lot more expensive and there are safety issue too - cjd etc. > (BTW I hadn't made the breast milk / HGH connection - you may well be > right - although I felt better for a good 18 months and only breast fed > for 9weeks and 6 weeks for each child. Actually, now I come to think of > it there could be another possible pointer - this may be to yuk for the > male readers, but despite being a very small frame with not a lot going > on in the boob department I had way too much milk which I why I gave up > pretty quickly. Everyone assumed that I wouldn't produce as much as the > rather larger endowed ladies but it was quite the reverse - big time (I > won't give details of that because it would definitely affect your > sensibilities! ;-)) but high levels of HGH might have caused this > excess). Oh, it takes alot to affect my sensibilities! Nevertheless, I think I get the picture :-) Whatever it was that caused you to feel good - maybe it was a nutrient that built up while you were pregnant and took 18 months to deplete again? > >Well, err, as it happens I did order 3 months worth and it came this > morning (v.quick delivery!), so tonight is the first night. It sounds > like it takes a while to take effect but will certainly report back > if it is any help. > > Dr M definitely seems to suggest it is HGH in the prep she mentions but > then other sites of similar products seem to give the impression that it > is just a secretagogue or precursor. Do you have any info on your packs > which would be clearer? No, the pack just contained the bottles. The web site gives as much if not than what's on the bottle: http://www.sytropin.com/ingredients.html Regards Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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