Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi, Jill. > > Hmmm. How does an HLA subtype mean you can't detoxify? I thought it > was an indication of potential molecular mimicry with antigenic > surfaces of pathogens, which then skewered immune response. But in > terms of toxins, I thought that was the liver-----? You are right about the mechanism involving HLA subtypes and autoimmune diseases, and in Dr. Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors, he discusses autoimmunity as being a factor in mold illnesses. However, it's also true that the immune system is responsible for dealing with some toxins, especially protein toxins. This is the basis for the toxoid vaccines, such as the tetanus and diphtheria shots, for example. Dr. Shoemaker finds that cholestyramine helps in cases of mold illness and other biotoxin diseases, because it binds the toxins and carries them out in the stools. People who are not genetically susceptible to these diseases are able to get rid of the toxins without help, and I think it's the immune system that does it. The immune system is known to handle insect and animal toxins by what are known as neutralizing antibodies. Perhaps the HLA > subtype, leading to molecular mimicry, thus body over-reacting with > attack mechanisms, leads to a situation of excess free radicals, then > depleting glutathione. ***That's a good thought. I'll ponder it. > > > Right. Except for really clever retroviruses like HIV, most of the > time we are able to figure out viruses although longterm they may be > related to cancer risk. ***In the case of HIV, I think Prof. Harry is right that it can be put back into latency by supplementing with selenium and some amino acids. He is having good success in Africa with this approach. Here's what he wrote me a few days ago: " There are two ongoing Africa trials. The big double blind one in Uganda seems to be going well, with lots of patients feeling better. It finishes in October,2006 (318 patients total). A Zambian hospice trial started in December. It is designed for 30 patients and is due to end in the summer. There has been spectacular recovery of three dying AIDS patients in a small trial in South Africa. I have been offered an 800 patient trial there but need to raise money for this. We are also trying to find investors for a documentary on what is going on in these and other nutritional trials. It will be called, 'AIDS:the last chance' " ***I think this is really cool! In terms of babesia, my recollection is that > malaria and probably babesia, actually oxidize the red blood cell's > glutathione, leaving the poor thing badly impaired. Maybe it uses the > glutathione and then discards it as oxidized. Which is one reason to > supplement it if you have babesia. ***I'm not sure about this yet. As the glutathione comes up, the Babesia might thrive. I'm not sure. In terms of lyme, it probably > doesn't care too much about glutathione ***It may deplete glutathione, by using up cysteine. See my post number 90511. but it uses magnesium to > replicate. Which is why for lymies who usually are coinfected anyway, > its important to supplement generously with magnesium and glutathione. > Esp. since both are involved in methylation anyway. ***I agree that magnesium supplementation is important, and it looks as though building glutathione is important in Lyme disease, also. > > Lyme is a really bad bug...at least in its current weaponized form. I > think it once was much more benign and either silent, or related to > various minor arthritic aches and pains. Weaponized, and I DO believe > most of what's around now is weaponized, its pretty virulent. ***I just don't know the facts about that. Maybe, maybe not. I have heard the hypothesis about the Plum Island lab being so close to where Lyme disease first showed up in a big way in the U.S., but facts about things like this are not easy to come by. Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi, Jill. > > Hmmm. How does an HLA subtype mean you can't detoxify? I thought it > was an indication of potential molecular mimicry with antigenic > surfaces of pathogens, which then skewered immune response. But in > terms of toxins, I thought that was the liver-----? You are right about the mechanism involving HLA subtypes and autoimmune diseases, and in Dr. Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors, he discusses autoimmunity as being a factor in mold illnesses. However, it's also true that the immune system is responsible for dealing with some toxins, especially protein toxins. This is the basis for the toxoid vaccines, such as the tetanus and diphtheria shots, for example. Dr. Shoemaker finds that cholestyramine helps in cases of mold illness and other biotoxin diseases, because it binds the toxins and carries them out in the stools. People who are not genetically susceptible to these diseases are able to get rid of the toxins without help, and I think it's the immune system that does it. The immune system is known to handle insect and animal toxins by what are known as neutralizing antibodies. Perhaps the HLA > subtype, leading to molecular mimicry, thus body over-reacting with > attack mechanisms, leads to a situation of excess free radicals, then > depleting glutathione. ***That's a good thought. I'll ponder it. > > > Right. Except for really clever retroviruses like HIV, most of the > time we are able to figure out viruses although longterm they may be > related to cancer risk. ***In the case of HIV, I think Prof. Harry is right that it can be put back into latency by supplementing with selenium and some amino acids. He is having good success in Africa with this approach. Here's what he wrote me a few days ago: " There are two ongoing Africa trials. The big double blind one in Uganda seems to be going well, with lots of patients feeling better. It finishes in October,2006 (318 patients total). A Zambian hospice trial started in December. It is designed for 30 patients and is due to end in the summer. There has been spectacular recovery of three dying AIDS patients in a small trial in South Africa. I have been offered an 800 patient trial there but need to raise money for this. We are also trying to find investors for a documentary on what is going on in these and other nutritional trials. It will be called, 'AIDS:the last chance' " ***I think this is really cool! In terms of babesia, my recollection is that > malaria and probably babesia, actually oxidize the red blood cell's > glutathione, leaving the poor thing badly impaired. Maybe it uses the > glutathione and then discards it as oxidized. Which is one reason to > supplement it if you have babesia. ***I'm not sure about this yet. As the glutathione comes up, the Babesia might thrive. I'm not sure. In terms of lyme, it probably > doesn't care too much about glutathione ***It may deplete glutathione, by using up cysteine. See my post number 90511. but it uses magnesium to > replicate. Which is why for lymies who usually are coinfected anyway, > its important to supplement generously with magnesium and glutathione. > Esp. since both are involved in methylation anyway. ***I agree that magnesium supplementation is important, and it looks as though building glutathione is important in Lyme disease, also. > > Lyme is a really bad bug...at least in its current weaponized form. I > think it once was much more benign and either silent, or related to > various minor arthritic aches and pains. Weaponized, and I DO believe > most of what's around now is weaponized, its pretty virulent. ***I just don't know the facts about that. Maybe, maybe not. I have heard the hypothesis about the Plum Island lab being so close to where Lyme disease first showed up in a big way in the U.S., but facts about things like this are not easy to come by. Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi, Jill. > > Hmmm. How does an HLA subtype mean you can't detoxify? I thought it > was an indication of potential molecular mimicry with antigenic > surfaces of pathogens, which then skewered immune response. But in > terms of toxins, I thought that was the liver-----? You are right about the mechanism involving HLA subtypes and autoimmune diseases, and in Dr. Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors, he discusses autoimmunity as being a factor in mold illnesses. However, it's also true that the immune system is responsible for dealing with some toxins, especially protein toxins. This is the basis for the toxoid vaccines, such as the tetanus and diphtheria shots, for example. Dr. Shoemaker finds that cholestyramine helps in cases of mold illness and other biotoxin diseases, because it binds the toxins and carries them out in the stools. People who are not genetically susceptible to these diseases are able to get rid of the toxins without help, and I think it's the immune system that does it. The immune system is known to handle insect and animal toxins by what are known as neutralizing antibodies. Perhaps the HLA > subtype, leading to molecular mimicry, thus body over-reacting with > attack mechanisms, leads to a situation of excess free radicals, then > depleting glutathione. ***That's a good thought. I'll ponder it. > > > Right. Except for really clever retroviruses like HIV, most of the > time we are able to figure out viruses although longterm they may be > related to cancer risk. ***In the case of HIV, I think Prof. Harry is right that it can be put back into latency by supplementing with selenium and some amino acids. He is having good success in Africa with this approach. Here's what he wrote me a few days ago: " There are two ongoing Africa trials. The big double blind one in Uganda seems to be going well, with lots of patients feeling better. It finishes in October,2006 (318 patients total). A Zambian hospice trial started in December. It is designed for 30 patients and is due to end in the summer. There has been spectacular recovery of three dying AIDS patients in a small trial in South Africa. I have been offered an 800 patient trial there but need to raise money for this. We are also trying to find investors for a documentary on what is going on in these and other nutritional trials. It will be called, 'AIDS:the last chance' " ***I think this is really cool! In terms of babesia, my recollection is that > malaria and probably babesia, actually oxidize the red blood cell's > glutathione, leaving the poor thing badly impaired. Maybe it uses the > glutathione and then discards it as oxidized. Which is one reason to > supplement it if you have babesia. ***I'm not sure about this yet. As the glutathione comes up, the Babesia might thrive. I'm not sure. In terms of lyme, it probably > doesn't care too much about glutathione ***It may deplete glutathione, by using up cysteine. See my post number 90511. but it uses magnesium to > replicate. Which is why for lymies who usually are coinfected anyway, > its important to supplement generously with magnesium and glutathione. > Esp. since both are involved in methylation anyway. ***I agree that magnesium supplementation is important, and it looks as though building glutathione is important in Lyme disease, also. > > Lyme is a really bad bug...at least in its current weaponized form. I > think it once was much more benign and either silent, or related to > various minor arthritic aches and pains. Weaponized, and I DO believe > most of what's around now is weaponized, its pretty virulent. ***I just don't know the facts about that. Maybe, maybe not. I have heard the hypothesis about the Plum Island lab being so close to where Lyme disease first showed up in a big way in the U.S., but facts about things like this are not easy to come by. Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 > ***In the case of HIV, I think Prof. Harry is right that it > can be put back into latency by supplementing with selenium and some > amino acids. He is having good success in Africa with this > approach. Here's what he wrote me a few days ago: > > " There are two ongoing Africa trials. The big double blind one in > Uganda seems to be going well, with lots of patients feeling > better. It finishes in October,2006 (318 patients total). > A Zambian hospice trial started in December. It is designed for 30 > patients and is due to end in the summer. There has been > spectacular recovery of three dying AIDS patients in a small trial > in South Africa. I have been offered an 800 patient trial there but > need to raise money for this. We are also trying to find investors > for a documentary on what is going on in these and other nutritional > trials. It will be called, 'AIDS:the last chance' " Rich, can you post the exact protocol here? It should work on all viruses then if it works on HIV!? > ***I'm not sure about this yet. As the glutathione comes up, the > Babesia might thrive. I'm not sure. Unfortunatley all the research I did in the last 6 months I emailed myself, and when my hard drive crashed I discovered that my automatic backup did not include emails. So I can't recall the studies on babesia that I found, so this is mere recollection. I think the babesia has a way to recycle the glutathione, whereas the red blood cell is just left with yucky oxidized glutathione and feels very sickly. THat's my layman's interp. At one point I read every single thing and study I could about babesia. I got particularly fascinated by the fact that it has a plastid--and that plastids are actually organelles evolved out of cyanobacteria. Well guess what, dinoflagellates do too...so perhaps a similar toxin is involved (cigateura) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi, Jill. Harry's supplement contains selenium, cysteine, tryptophan and glutamine. I don't know the amounts, and last I heard he was still adjusting them. According to Harry's theory, it works on those viruses whose genomes code for a form of glutathione peroxidase that uses selenium. This includes HIV, Hepatitis C, sackie B and some others, but not the herpes family, as far as I can tell. Babesia (I know, not a virus but a protozoan) does code for glutathione peroxidase. His idea is that HIV depletes the host of these substances by making a lot of its own glutathione peroxidase, and that's how it is able to produce full-blown AIDS. I definitely believe that Harry has it right for HIV/AIDS, and I've been promoting small-scale trials of his supplement to missionaries in Africa and to UNICEF over the past few months. I've been able to get some into Kenya through people in our local church, but haven't heard yet how it has worked there. UNICEF takes its lead from WHO, and they are wedded to the antiretroviral drugs, so we haven't had any luck with UNICEF yet. We're hoping that if there is a large trial that shows good success, eventually the international organizations will have to pay attention. Of course, nutritional supplements can't be patented, and you know how that story goes. Rich > > > > ***In the case of HIV, I think Prof. Harry is right that it > > can be put back into latency by supplementing with selenium and some > > amino acids. He is having good success in Africa with this > > approach. Here's what he wrote me a few days ago: > > > > " There are two ongoing Africa trials. The big double blind one in > > Uganda seems to be going well, with lots of patients feeling > > better. It finishes in October,2006 (318 patients total). > > A Zambian hospice trial started in December. It is designed for 30 > > patients and is due to end in the summer. There has been > > spectacular recovery of three dying AIDS patients in a small trial > > in South Africa. I have been offered an 800 patient trial there but > > need to raise money for this. We are also trying to find investors > > for a documentary on what is going on in these and other nutritional > > trials. It will be called, 'AIDS:the last chance' " > > Rich, can you post the exact protocol here? It should work on all > viruses then if it works on HIV!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Wow. Can you get us some indication of the approximate amounts? Perhaps this would work in babesia, then, which cannot be " killed " , per all existing studies...at least not with known drugs. This is a very interesitng approach. But I have to say, I can't tolerate trytophan. When suffering from certain chronic infections you end up turning trytophan into...kynenurin (sp?)---can't recall the exact spelling, but its a toxic kind of metabolite and I must have that problem because trytophan puts me to sleep for a few hours and then I wake up EXTREMELY irritable. > > > > > > > ***In the case of HIV, I think Prof. Harry is right that > it > > > can be put back into latency by supplementing with selenium and > some > > > amino acids. He is having good success in Africa with this > > > approach. Here's what he wrote me a few days ago: > > > > > > " There are two ongoing Africa trials. The big double blind one > in > > > Uganda seems to be going well, with lots of patients feeling > > > better. It finishes in October,2006 (318 patients total). > > > A Zambian hospice trial started in December. It is designed for > 30 > > > patients and is due to end in the summer. There has been > > > spectacular recovery of three dying AIDS patients in a small > trial > > > in South Africa. I have been offered an 800 patient trial there > but > > > need to raise money for this. We are also trying to find > investors > > > for a documentary on what is going on in these and other > nutritional > > > trials. It will be called, 'AIDS:the last chance' " > > > > Rich, can you post the exact protocol here? It should work on all > > viruses then if it works on HIV!? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 > > I definitely believe that Harry has it right for HIV/AIDS, and I've > been promoting small-scale trials of his supplement to missionaries > in Africa and to UNICEF over the past few months. I've been able to > get some into Kenya through people in our local church, but haven't > heard yet how it has worked there. UNICEF takes its lead from WHO, > and they are wedded to the antiretroviral drugs, so we haven't had > any luck with UNICEF yet. We're hoping that if there is a large > trial that shows good success, eventually the international > organizations will have to pay attention. Of course, nutritional > supplements can't be patented, and you know how that story goes. > > Rich Rich this work sounds so good, inspiring, like the autism work. Is there any way people could donate just say a dollar or 2 a month towards such trials, if Dr could set up a way for people to donate in this way, lots of small donations can add up. I don't know if you have this over in the US but over here in the UK we can donate through our banks every month by direct debit or standing orders and many charities are benefiting from many donations of small amounts like £2 a month. How do AIDS charities in the west respond to 's work? Or media personalites with interests in AIDS? Any chance of getting funding from them? BW, Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 In a message dated 2/6/2006 6:26:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, richvank@... writes: > Rich this work sounds so good, inspiring, like the autism work. Is > there any way people could donate just say a dollar or 2 a month > towards such trials, if Dr could set up a way for people to > donate in this way, lots of small donations can add up. ***I'll ask him and let you know. > And, let's not forget the simplicity and ease of _www.paypal.com_ (http://www.paypal.com) mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Hi, Sheila. > > Rich this work sounds so good, inspiring, like the autism work. Is > there any way people could donate just say a dollar or 2 a month > towards such trials, if Dr could set up a way for people to > donate in this way, lots of small donations can add up. ***I'll ask him and let you know. > > I don't know if you have this over in the US but over here in the UK > we can donate through our banks every month by direct debit or > standing orders and many charities are benefiting from many donations > of small amounts like £2 a month. ***That sounds like a really good thing. I'm sure it's possible in the U.S., too, because we can request that the bank do an automatic payment each month to whomever we wish. Lots of people pay their monthly bills this way in the U.S. > > How do AIDS charities in the west respond to 's work? Or media > personalites with interests in AIDS? Any chance of getting funding > from them? ***I think he has had pretty much of an uphill fight. The AIDS scene is dominated by the drug paradigm. Harry doesn't have the " right " credentials, being a geographer, and I think the folks in positions to make a difference view him as a quack. That's why the clinical trials are so important. If the people running the clinics start asking for his treatment because they have solid evidence that it works, I think they might be heard. He's had the best reception from church-related clinics, rather than from government or U.N.-related ones. The closer he gets to the people on the ground who are operating the clinics, the better response he gets, because they just want something that works. > > BW, > > Sheila > ***Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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