Re: Hair Breaking ... or Hair Loss?

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't hair loss be probably caused by something different than hair

breakage? (I thought she was asking about hair breakage.) I've had

tons of hair loss, but that seems to me to be a horse of a different

color than hair breakage.

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> If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you could always reduce

your

> dosage or look into how your meds are interacting with hairloss

hormones " ie

> DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for men and women.

>

> Regards

> CS

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[Guest guest]

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On about any of the autoimmune disorder forums,

especially mold..so many have posted about their hair

coming out in clumps. When the mold outside got into

this house, and when I would try and do anything

outside, my hair started falling out. Have always had

thick long hair. Not anymore. At first I thought was

the toxins causing hair breaking. Many toxins,

chemicals, heavy metals <especially lead> can be

detected through hair analysis. I have learned more

and more over the years. Especially the hormone

levels these toxins cause.

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--- netsukeme <netsuke@...> wrote:

> Wouldn't hair loss be probably caused by something

> different than hair

> breakage? (I thought she was asking about hair

> breakage.) I've had

> tons of hair loss, but that seems to me to be a

> horse of a different

> color than hair breakage.

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> > If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you

> could always reduce

> your

> > dosage or look into how your meds are interacting

> with hairloss

> hormones " ie

> > DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for

> men and women.

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> > Regards

> > CS

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> This list is intended for patients to share personal

> experiences with each other, not to give medical

> advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Hair is sort of like a document of current health, and past health -

It collects heavy metals the body expells, and it's keratin (protein)

structure will not be strong and resilient if damaged by not getting

the proper nurishment or toxic substances, it it'll more easily break

and split.

Also - hormones out of whack will cause loss of hair. And dimished

hormones in natural aging without disease will also cause loss. Many

women deficient in DHEA or testosterone (or estrogen for that matter)

who have so-called autoimmune diseases will have hair loss and many

diabetics have very thin hair. People with hypo thyroidism can

sometimes even lose their body hair.

So if by genetics someone has thin, fine hair - any loss will be

apparent. Hair thickness and type is a genetic factor too- so that

plays a role.

A human hairs life-span is about 4 years ... and a little known fact

is that the smallest muscle in the body is attached to a hair

follicle.

You ask- how the heck does she know all this???.. Hah! Hair was a

topic of discussion at our lunch table several years ago (and we're

all scientists who knew nothing about hair)so we researched the topic.

Barb

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> > > If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you

> > could always reduce

> > your

> > > dosage or look into how your meds are interacting

> > with hairloss

> > hormones " ie

> > > DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for

> > men and women.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > CS

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> > This list is intended for patients to share personal

> > experiences with each other, not to give medical

> > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

[Guest guest]

Me too, a.g.-ann! I still have long hair, but I've had two periods

of time when my hair literally came out by the fist full (and

uniformally, not " in patches " or " by receding " ). Doctors, even

derms, have always dismissed me with the proverbial " hmmm " after

seeing me with what they think is a full head of hair.

" Mold " can mean systemica fungal infection (which I've always

suspected)?

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> > > If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you

> > could always reduce

> > your

> > > dosage or look into how your meds are interacting

> > with hairloss

> > hormones " ie

> > > DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for

> > men and women.

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> > > Regards

> > > CS

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> > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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[Guest guest]

Hmmm. Yes, this ( " People with hypo thyroidism can sometimes even

lose their body hair " ) is me. Hypothyroid; I don't know about the

DHEA, testosterone, or estrogen, but I am certainly a physical wreck

with many fatigue and stamina problems.

I'm wondering about this...

<and a little known fact is that the smallest muscle in the body is

attached to a hair follicle.>

When I read that, I'm reminded of how I feel right when I am getting

ready to have another crash or " flare. " I have terrible headaches

that do not seem to be like the familial migraine I also get, and

also do not seem to be sinus headaches. They cover the entire top of

my head (where I also have this thing I call " my scalp infection "

that no derm seems able to dx properly), are out of this world in

pain and discomfort, are not relieved by any OTC NSAID or even

something like propoxyphene or codeine. This is another thing that

makes doctors go " hmmmm " and dismiss me. But could it be related to

this " smallest muscle in the body " attached to the hair follicle

thing? I get so ill feeling I often say " even my hair hurts " and

people do not understand that that's exactly what I mean.

Thank you for this info, Barb.

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> > > > If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you

> > > could always reduce

> > > your

> > > > dosage or look into how your meds are interacting

> > > with hairloss

> > > hormones " ie

> > > > DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for

> > > men and women.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > CS

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> > > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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[Guest guest]

Yes. Your hair can feel like it's literally hurting. These tiny

muscles are sometimes bent one way - and at certain times, when

moving the hair in a way it normally doesn't want to go, can stress

these muscles, and they do hurt.

People whith long hair who put there hair in a ponytail for the

first time for a long period of time can sometimes experience this..

AND I think it's entirely possible to have inflammation of these tiny

muscles- just like any other muscle in the body..

Probably just another tid-bit Drs. don't learn in medical school.

Barb

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> > > > > If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you

> > > > could always reduce

> > > > your

> > > > > dosage or look into how your meds are interacting

> > > > with hairloss

> > > > hormones " ie

> > > > > DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for

> > > > men and women.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > CS

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> > > > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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[Guest guest]

" a.g.-ann " wrote:

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> ,

> On about any of the autoimmune disorder forums,

> especially mold..so many have posted about their hair

> coming out in clumps. When the mold outside got into

> this house, and when I would try and do anything

> outside, my hair started falling out. Have always had

> thick long hair. Not anymore. At first I thought was

> the toxins causing hair breaking.

This was my experience too.

Every time I took a shower in my moldy house, it looked like a mouse

died on top of the drain. I couldn't believe how quickly my hair

was disappearing.

I initiated a strategy of exteme mycotoxin avoidance and the problem

completely stopped. I still have all my hair.

That one sign of improvement, of course - is in addition to all the

mountains I've climbed since then.

And I've still seen all the other CFSers I know respond to mold in

exactly this same way.

Avoidance isn't a cure, but it sure beats the Hell out of the

alternative.

-

[Guest guest]

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:29 AM, netsukeme wrote:

> Wouldn't hair loss be probably caused by something different than hair

> breakage? (I thought she was asking about hair breakage.) I've had

> tons of hair loss, but that seems to me to be a horse of a different

> color than hair breakage.

Hair loss, especially in women, is one sign of low thyroid. You may

also want to get your reproductive hormone levels checked (the saliva

tests now available are best), especially if you're over 35.

How are your eyebrows? Hypothyroid women commonly lose the outer

tails of their eyebrows, and sometimes the hair near the inside end

of them as well.

Sara

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On Jan 22, 2006, at 8:09 AM, netsukeme wrote:

> (where I also have this thing I call " my scalp infection "

> that no derm seems able to dx properly),

Large white flakes, itchy and prone to redness and weepiness when

they peel off?

Could be sebhorreic dermatitis. I've got it, too.

If it's the same stuff, it is caused by yeast in your system. There

are several things you can do.

1) Avoid yeasty foods -- particularly artisan breads, beers, and

wines. (White wine aggravates mine. Red wine does not. Do not ask me

why.)

2) Be careful with your shampoos. Almost all hair care products make

my scalp break out, especially those with lots of alcohol or other

harsh chemicals. I've had good luck with salon products from Biolage

and Aveda.

3) There's an Rx topical lotion called fluocinolone that will help

keep it down. I apply it in the evening the night before I plan to

wash my hair, and leave it on all night. When I wash in the morning,

the flakes are all but gone.

4) Three or four times a year, I take a course of Diflucan to get rid

of *all* the yeast that seems to collect in my body. I take 2 or 3

pills, 48 hours apart. This is particularly important after taking

any kind of antibiotic course, which will tend to make the yeast run

wild in my system. (I'm on penicillin right now to clear up a sinus

infection; when the course is over, I've got my three Diflucan

standing by. I just ask for it automatically now whenever the Dr.

gives me antibiotics.)

Never dealt with migraines; sorry, I'm no help there.

Sara

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Thank you, Barb. More ammo for my next doctor visit.

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> > > > > > If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you

> > > > > could always reduce

> > > > > your

> > > > > > dosage or look into how your meds are interacting

> > > > > with hairloss

> > > > > hormones " ie

> > > > > > DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for

> > > > > men and women.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > CS

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> > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal

> > > > > experiences with each other, not to give medical

> > > > > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have some of the eyebrow tail, not heavily though. But,

interestingly enough, my mother lost hers -- but she was never dx

with hypothyroidism (and never displayed it, to question it). There

must be something genetic going on here. When I lost most body hair,

I assumed it was caused by perimenopause, and I had so many things

going on during that time (because it was right when I started

getting my thyroid replacement), I wouldn't know how to separate this

out. (I'm 59 now.) I had another huge crash of some sort around 5

years ago. But this time I associated it, and the hair loss, with

major losses in my life -- fmaily members, work, other stuff. It IS

hard to divvy all this up and put it in the right " columns, " isn't it.

Thanks, Sara.

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> > Wouldn't hair loss be probably caused by something different than

hair

> > breakage? (I thought she was asking about hair breakage.) I've

had

> > tons of hair loss, but that seems to me to be a horse of a

different

> > color than hair breakage.

>

> Hair loss, especially in women, is one sign of low thyroid. You

may

> also want to get your reproductive hormone levels checked (the

saliva

> tests now available are best), especially if you're over 35.

>

> How are your eyebrows? Hypothyroid women commonly lose the outer

> tails of their eyebrows, and sometimes the hair near the inside

end

> of them as well.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

No, I don't have that kind of scalp stuff. I used to, however, when

I was younger. Now, these past few years (8-10 or so?), I have

real " sores " on the scalp that get quite painful. The best derm in

town said I was the only patient he ever had who was not " cured " or

significantly improved after his various regimens of shampoos and

topical cortisone solutions. It was varously called seborrheic

dermatitis, folliculitis, ezcema, and probably other stuff I've

forgotten.

I use Nizoral OTC shampoo now, but I have to use it everyday to get

any control (and skin pain relief). That leads me to obviously

think " fungal, " but I also notice that it improves when I take

antibiotics...so this leaves me stymied again.

At times when I've been without Nizoral shampoo on hand, I've used

Sebulex OTC shampoo, and that helps too, but not to the extent that

the Nizoral does. When I've been caught short and have no " bigger

gun " shampoo on hand, I get some minimal relief if I can douse my

scalp with mouth wash (but it has to say " antiseptic " on the label),

leave it on the scalp for about 20 minutes, then rinse it all out.

If I do not wash my hair every single day with Nizoral or the

Sebulex, I will have these open sores on the scalp. They seem to

congregate in certain discrete areas of the scalp, though, and almost

always include the hairline of the upper forehead and face.

> > (where I also have this thing I call " my scalp infection "

> > that no derm seems able to dx properly),

>

> Large white flakes, itchy and prone to redness and weepiness when

> they peel off?

>

> Could be sebhorreic dermatitis. I've got it, too.

>

> If it's the same stuff, it is caused by yeast in your system.

There

> are several things you can do.

>

> 1) Avoid yeasty foods -- particularly artisan breads, beers, and

> wines. (White wine aggravates mine. Red wine does not. Do not ask

me

> why.)

>

> 2) Be careful with your shampoos. Almost all hair care products

make

> my scalp break out, especially those with lots of alcohol or other

> harsh chemicals. I've had good luck with salon products from

Biolage

> and Aveda.

>

> 3) There's an Rx topical lotion called fluocinolone that will help

> keep it down. I apply it in the evening the night before I plan to

> wash my hair, and leave it on all night. When I wash in the

morning,

> the flakes are all but gone.

>

> 4) Three or four times a year, I take a course of Diflucan to get

rid

> of *all* the yeast that seems to collect in my body. I take 2 or 3

> pills, 48 hours apart. This is particularly important after taking

> any kind of antibiotic course, which will tend to make the yeast

run

> wild in my system. (I'm on penicillin right now to clear up a

sinus

> infection; when the course is over, I've got my three Diflucan

> standing by. I just ask for it automatically now whenever the Dr.

> gives me antibiotics.)

>

> Never dealt with migraines; sorry, I'm no help there.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

Carole, the one and only time I ever went to a hair salon was when I

was a " sweet young thing " and had my half-ton of hair. The stylist

was so perturbed because she ran out of hair rollers and had to

borrow the extras of a fellow stylist to use on me. It was the

actual quantity of individual hairs coming out of my head that she

was ill-equipped to deal with. Today? The same stylist could do two

of me...

Good luck.

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> >> > If your hairloss is directly due to meds - you

> >> could always reduce

> >> your

> >> > dosage or look into how your meds are interacting

> >> with hairloss

> >> hormones " ie

> >> > DHT. I know a guy who makes haiross products for

> >> men and women.

> >> >

> >> > Regards

> >> > CS

> >> >

> >> >

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> >> removed]

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> >> This list is intended for patients to share personal

> >> experiences with each other, not to give medical

> >> advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> >> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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