Re. The details are in mold groups

[Guest guest]

Take that bottle of Tea Tree Oil, dilute it half and half with alcohol then

dilute further to a pint with water in a spray bottle. Add a few drops of

soap as a sticker.

Clean the wall then thoroughly spray the surface with the dilution, shaking

the bottle occasiobally to keep things in solution.

Spray once a week for a while.

Also, put a little fan in there with a filter on it. Put several drops of

full strength tea tree oil on the filter evey few days for about a month.

Keep the fan running. These little fans are usually available at resale stores

for about $1.00.

And, then, there's your HVAX system. If you have forced air, douse the

furnace/ac filter with about 10 drops of tea tree oil evey month.

When you run out of Tea Tree oil, you can also try essential oil of Oregano

which is not quite as effective for mold/fungal issues and is much more

expensive.

Hope this helps

In a message dated 1/24/2006 6:12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

netsuke@... writes:

Cort and ,

<People made it clear that they weren't interested here...>

I, for one, am very glad to see this information. It's been a real

struggle for me to figure out " when " and " how " certain things started in my

process of feeling like hell, not to mention trying to figure out the

absolute origin of it all.

It wasn't until I read this double post, this afternoon, that I remembered

that before it all started for me, my then-husband and I had purchased and

moved into this house in which I still reside. And the first time we

looked at this house, in one of the back bedrooms, there was indeed a long

patch of mildew / mold along one of the wall-ceiling junctures.

As soon as we moved in, we dried out the underneath crawl space of the

house and put in a sump pump and laid plastic over the dirt " floor. " Of

course that must have helped tremendously, but was it enough?

Probably not. I just noticed that that same back bedroom has once again

grown another long patch of mold in the same junction of the wall with the

ceiling.

And now I remember, too, how we both noted to each other that this house

" had something wrong with it " because we both felt " off " or " ill " within a

few months of moving in and getting situated.

This was in 1973. That's a long time to be feeling like hell. I'm very

glad for the information. Thank you, both of you.

Champaign IL

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

It does not have to be that fancy, anything with a low volume fan that can

have a filter as fancy as a piece of paper towel affixed to it will do. The

units I've picked up are square Norelco brand about 6 " .

Yup, that WalMart Tea Tree Oil makes my list for the Deal of the Day. I

used to pay over $5.00 an ounce for a quart wholesale and at that time it was a

good deal.

By the way, there is no such thing as a pharmceutical grade of essential

oil. That is marketing hype.

mjh

In a message dated 1/24/2006 7:48:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

netsuke@... writes:

mjh...when I " run out of tea tree oil, " I can just go back to Wal-

Mart and get that 2-oz bottle of pharmaceutical grade pure Australian

oil for $5 again...and again...and again.

[For the little fan thing with the filter, do you mean one of those

little deals that you can use to " filter " the air in a room that a

smoker would be in? I think I already have one of those...somewhere

around here....]

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Thank you, mjh. I'm still in shock that I suddenly remembered both

of us remarking about the house " having something wrong with it "

because we both felt ill -- and that this was 33 years ago. To think

that this could be the real origin of all the " yecccch " for so long,

you know? It just boggles the mind.

mjh...when I " run out of tea tree oil, " I can just go back to Wal-

Mart and get that 2-oz bottle of pharmaceutical grade pure Australian

oil for $5 again...and again...and again.

[For the little fan thing with the filter, do you mean one of those

little deals that you can use to " filter " the air in a room that a

smoker would be in? I think I already have one of those...somewhere

around here....]

Sorry...I'm still sitting here staring, absolutely struck and

dumbfounded at my discovery today. 33 years of this. [is this where

Arthur the basset hound got all his " nose fungus " problems? Is this

where *I* get my rotten sinuses? And on and on and on and on...]

>

>

>

>

>

> Take that bottle of Tea Tree Oil, dilute it half and half with

alcohol then

> dilute further to a pint with water in a spray bottle. Add a few

drops of

> soap as a sticker.

>

> Clean the wall then thoroughly spray the surface with the dilution,

shaking

> the bottle occasiobally to keep things in solution.

>

> Spray once a week for a while.

>

> Also, put a little fan in there with a filter on it. Put several

drops of

> full strength tea tree oil on the filter evey few days for about a

month.

> Keep the fan running. These little fans are usually available at

resale stores

> for about $1.00.

>

> And, then, there's your HVAX system. If you have forced air,

douse the

> furnace/ac filter with about 10 drops of tea tree oil evey month.

>

> When you run out of Tea Tree oil, you can also try essential oil of

Oregano

> which is not quite as effective for mold/fungal issues and is much

more

> expensive.

>

> Hope this helps

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/24/2006 6:12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> netsuke@a... writes:

>

> Cort and ,

>

> <People made it clear that they weren't interested here...>

>

> I, for one, am very glad to see this information. It's been a

real

> struggle for me to figure out " when " and " how " certain things

started in my

> process of feeling like hell, not to mention trying to figure out

the

> absolute origin of it all.

>

> It wasn't until I read this double post, this afternoon, that I

remembered

> that before it all started for me, my then-husband and I had

purchased and

> moved into this house in which I still reside. And the first time

we

> looked at this house, in one of the back bedrooms, there was

indeed a long

> patch of mildew / mold along one of the wall-ceiling junctures.

>

> As soon as we moved in, we dried out the underneath crawl space of

the

> house and put in a sump pump and laid plastic over the

dirt " floor. " Of

> course that must have helped tremendously, but was it enough?

>

> Probably not. I just noticed that that same back bedroom has once

again

> grown another long patch of mold in the same junction of the wall

with the

> ceiling.

>

> And now I remember, too, how we both noted to each other that this

house

> " had something wrong with it " because we both felt " off " or " ill "

within a

> few months of moving in and getting situated.

>

> This was in 1973. That's a long time to be feeling like hell.

I'm very

> glad for the information. Thank you, both of you.

>

>

> Champaign IL

>

>

>

>

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<It does not have to be that fancy, anything with a low volume fan

that can have a filter as fancy as a piece of paper towel affixed to

it will do. The units I've picked up are square Norelco brand about

6 " .>

That's like what I have here (stashed somewhere). Can't remember the

brand on it, but that's pretty irrelevant for this.

<Yup, that WalMart Tea Tree Oil makes my list for the Deal of the

Day.>

You can say that again!

I

<I used to pay over $5.00 an ounce for a quart wholesale and at that

time it was a good deal.>

I haven't bought it until recently, so I don't know the " history " of

this. I think I should pick up an extra bottle once in a while, just

to have on hand -- especially if they stop carrying it. Does this

stuff spoil or " go bad " ?

<By the way, there is no such thing as a pharmceutical grade of

essential oil. That is marketing hype.>

Really?! I thought that was the one thing I could " bank on, " though

I can't remember where I read that. How can you tell what's good or

bad just by reading the label? The word " pure " ?

Thanks again, mjh. This little " revelation " for me, this afternoon,

has been just stunning. (Which begs another question, of course.

That is, how can someone supposedly so blasted smart (me, haha) be so

damn dumb for so many years!)

[Guest guest]

Capel wrote:

> And now I remember, too, how we both noted to each other that this

house " had something wrong with it " because we both felt " off "

or " ill " within a few months of moving in and getting situated.

>

> This was in 1973. That's a long time to be feeling like hell.

>

Yes. A long time. And that is a good description of mold illness

onset.

Trichothecenes shut down immune response so it's not a matter of a

particular " mold " feeling as much as having a peculiar onset and

persistence of various problems that got the better of you in a very

unexpected fashion - most likely in a particular place.

The term " CFS " can be traced directly to Dr Cheney and Dr

noticing a peculiar onset of illness in half the girls basketball

team at Truckee High School and nine teachers in the teachers lounge

there - as described in Osler's Web.

I'm a graduate of Truckee H.S. and the place was a slammer.

Still is.

It didn't " create " CFS, but the premises seemed to have a peculiar

capacity to " enable " what happened there, and as Byron Hyde has

noted, ME seems to have a peculiar association with such settings,

as in Royal Free.

Mercy Hospital.

LA hospital.

N.T. High School.

Elk Grove.

etc.

As I described to Dr Cheney at the beginning of the epidemic, " I

have an inexorably increasing reactivity to mold that grows

progressively worse no matter where I live or how well I take care

of myself " . The funny part is, when Dr Cheney asked me to volunteer

to be a prototype for CFS, I tried to refuse because I had already

told him that mold was making me ill - but he insisted, and didn't

appear to think the mold problem mattered!

I thought that being a prototype for CFS would force researchers to

investigate " the mycotoxin connection " , but despite asking hundreds

of doctors and researchers to look into this, it wasn't until Dr

Shoemaker heard my story that a doctor took the slightest interest

in this fairly compelling common denominator.

I believe that the refusal of doctors to research mold has been an

epic oversight.

A group where we have been discussing this for the last half dozen

years is:

/?yguid=225293294

-

[Guest guest]

Sue

THis is a low volume fan, important for circulation with or without Tea Tree

Oil, better air circulation = less mold.

Put the fan in the room and close the door.

THis is simple and inexpensive and works quite well.

mjh

In a message dated 1/25/2006 1:49:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rhbailey@... writes:

Hi mjh,

>

> Also, put a little fan in there with a filter on it. Put several

> drops of

> full strength tea tree oil on the filter evey few days for about a

> month.

> Keep the fan running. These little fans are usually available at

> resale stores

> for about $1.00.

Interesting. Do you point the fan at the moldy spot, to dry it? If so,

would that blow mold spores around the room?

How close to the moldy spot do you put the fan? Is the filter in front

of the fan (blowing air away from the fan) or behind the fan?

Sue ,

Upstate New York

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Vickie, I hope this works the magic for you as it has for so many

others. It does not take a lot of Tea Tree Oil to do the job.

Keep us posted.

mjh

In a message dated 1/25/2006 2:09:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vickie77077@... writes:

Hi MJH,

You are better than an encyclopedia on herbal remedies because you

have experience as well as knowledge. I am putting tea tree oil on my

air conditoner/heating filter today. I am thankful you are one of the

group.

Vickie

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Hi MJH,

You are better than an encyclopedia on herbal remedies because you

have experience as well as knowledge. I am putting tea tree oil on my

air conditoner/heating filter today. I am thankful you are one of the

group.

Vickie

In , foxhillers@a... wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> Take that bottle of Tea Tree Oil, dilute it half and half with

alcohol then

> dilute further to a pint with water in a spray bottle. Add a few

drops of

> soap as a sticker.

>

> Clean the wall then thoroughly spray the surface with the dilution,

shaking

> the bottle occasiobally to keep things in solution.

>

> Spray once a week for a while.

>

> Also, put a little fan in there with a filter on it. Put several

drops of

> full strength tea tree oil on the filter evey few days for about a

month.

> Keep the fan running. These little fans are usually available at

resale stores

> for about $1.00.

>

> And, then, there's your HVAX system. If you have forced air,

douse the

> furnace/ac filter with about 10 drops of tea tree oil evey month.

>

> When you run out of Tea Tree oil, you can also try essential oil of

Oregano

> which is not quite as effective for mold/fungal issues and is much

more

> expensive.

>

> Hope this helps

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/24/2006 6:12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> netsuke@a... writes:

>

> Cort and ,

>

> <People made it clear that they weren't interested here...>

>

> I, for one, am very glad to see this information. It's been a

real

> struggle for me to figure out " when " and " how " certain things

started in my

> process of feeling like hell, not to mention trying to figure out

the

> absolute origin of it all.

>

> It wasn't until I read this double post, this afternoon, that I

remembered

> that before it all started for me, my then-husband and I had

purchased and

> moved into this house in which I still reside. And the first time

we

> looked at this house, in one of the back bedrooms, there was

indeed a long

> patch of mildew / mold along one of the wall-ceiling junctures.

>

> As soon as we moved in, we dried out the underneath crawl space of

the

> house and put in a sump pump and laid plastic over the

dirt " floor. " Of

> course that must have helped tremendously, but was it enough?

>

> Probably not. I just noticed that that same back bedroom has once

again

> grown another long patch of mold in the same junction of the wall

with the

> ceiling.

>

> And now I remember, too, how we both noted to each other that this

house

> " had something wrong with it " because we both felt " off " or " ill "

within a

> few months of moving in and getting situated.

>

> This was in 1973. That's a long time to be feeling like hell.

I'm very

> glad for the information. Thank you, both of you.

>

>

> Champaign IL

>

>

>

>

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, if you think this is worthwhile I will be glad to help with it.

One situation comes to mind that is pretty strong - libraries are

AWFUL. It seems books are always contaminated.

But swamps are not a problem. They are not, at least in my

experience, the bad mold. I could be wrong.

Then there is the fact that not everyone is bothered by mold. I am.

My husband is not. Of course, everyone is bothered by such things as

stachybotrus, but even then there are differences of severity.

Also, we are not talking here about allergy. This is not a runny

nose. It is severe systemic CNS symptoms that seem more like a mental

illness or cfs symptoms - very confusing.

a Carnes

>

> I know you've spent many years trying to convince people but what I

am looking for is something that will 'get them in the door' . You

dont get info on mold from CFS doctors generally, you do get it from

progressive allergists - my allergist was full of the dangers of

mold, but that was my sole introduction to the subject.

>

> I really encourage you to put something down - like a

questionaire that could help people decide if they need to be worried

about mold. Like - do you feel bad or 'funny' in your house? Do you

feel better outside your house than inside your house? Does your

health improve while you're camping? Do you feel worse in certain

weather conditions/ Do areas like swamps or bottomlands repel you?

Etc. ????

>

> I'll put it on the website and then direct people to Dr.

Shoemaker, your chat group, progressive allergists, etc.

>

[Guest guest]

The problem that I've seen with describing the symptoms is that people

simply do not see it in themselves and it seems to take a " mold aware "

person to look at them and say " Wait a minute. I just got a mold hit,

and you look like you are responding to it too " before most folks give

any serious consideration to the concept.

The prime " giveaway " is being responsive to changes in the weather.

-

[Guest guest]

Maybe we could all have a big " party " at the Peppermill in Reno.

a

>

> The problem that I've seen with describing the symptoms is that

people

> simply do not see it in themselves and it seems to take a " mold

aware "

> person to look at them and say " Wait a minute. I just got a mold

hit,

> and you look like you are responding to it too " before most folks

give

> any serious consideration to the concept.

>

> The prime " giveaway " is being responsive to changes in the weather.

>

> -

>