Re: Bob - Blue74730

[Guest guest]

Could someone please send me " erikmoldwarrior " 's email address? I have just

read a post about Bob with his name on it ....and am quite shocked and would

like to contact Bob's daughter. Bob had been emailing me almost daily and we

had planned to meet last week or so when he was coming to the DFW area to see

his daughter. I live within a few miles of her home, but do not know how to

contact her. Bob and I thought we had met prior at a DFW CFS support group

meeting as our names were so familiar to each other.

If anyone knows the circumstances of his death, please email me privately.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

OMG this was Bob from Texas in the moldy mobile home!!! Do you know

anymore about what happened? He would always be on such shaky ground when he

went back to that home but just wouldn't sell it. I can't BELIEVE we've lost

another one of us!!! We hadn't heard from him in awhile and I was wondering

what was going on with him. Oh dear, this is very very sad news :-( We have

not yet had any questions answered about what happened to .... now Bob....

oh this is too sad :-( :-( If you find out any more please let me know what

happened.

Marcia

Bob - Blue74730

We just heard in our mold group that a warrior has passed on.

-

I am Blue74730's daughter and I got your e-mail addresses from my

father's e-mails.

I just wanted to inform all of you that my father passed away last

week. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. I don't

know how close any of you were to him but I wanted to let everyone

know about his death and thank you for being his friend.

Sincerely,

Tami.

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Oh no. This is so sad. Two people have passed since I started

piping up.

>

> We just heard in our mold group that a warrior has passed on.

> -

>

>

>

> I am Blue74730's daughter and I got your e-mail addresses from my

> father's e-mails.

>

> I just wanted to inform all of you that my father passed away last

> week. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. I

don't

> know how close any of you were to him but I wanted to let everyone

> know about his death and thank you for being his friend.

>

> Sincerely,

> Tami.

>

[Guest guest]

Your every wish.....

_erikmoldwarrior at earthlink.net_ (mailto:erikmoldwarrior@...)

I emailed erik earlier for the same info, but have not heard from him yet.

mjh

In a message dated 1/23/2006 10:24:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dukejs@... writes:

Could someone please send me " erikmoldwarrior " 's email address? I have

just

read a post about Bob with his name on it ....and am quite shocked and would

like to contact Bob's daughter. Bob had been emailing me almost daily and

we

had planned to meet last week or so when he was coming to the DFW area to

see

his daughter. I live within a few miles of her home, but do not know how to

contact her. Bob and I thought we had met prior at a DFW CFS support group

meeting as our names were so familiar to each other.

If anyone knows the circumstances of his death, please email me privately.

Thanks,

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

This is too awful... and Bob were the two people I had the most

contact with on this list. I agree, the home was a big problem, I

think the migraines the mold gave him put him a terrible state of mind

and I do fear he may have taken his own life. He suffered for such a

long time, 25 years... I hope he is at peace now.

>

> OMG this was Bob from Texas in the moldy mobile home!!! Do you

know anymore about what happened? He would always be on such shaky

ground when he went back to that home but just wouldn't sell it. I

can't BELIEVE we've lost another one of us!!! We hadn't heard from

him in awhile and I was wondering what was going on with him. Oh

dear, this is very very sad news :-( We have not yet had any

questions answered about what happened to .... now Bob.... oh

this is too sad :-( :-( If you find out any more please let me know

what happened.

>

> Marcia

> Bob - Blue74730

>

>

> We just heard in our mold group that a warrior has passed on.

> -

>

>

>

> I am Blue74730's daughter and I got your e-mail addresses from my

> father's e-mails.

>

> I just wanted to inform all of you that my father passed away last

> week. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. I

don't

> know how close any of you were to him but I wanted to let everyone

> know about his death and thank you for being his friend.

>

> Sincerely,

> Tami.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in

any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry. One of his notes had a subject line " Why suicide so bad. " He

was struggling so much with his problems .If proper could you give e-mail

address of her daughter so that we can give her our condolences?

Group,

I really think we need a support group,too. We know each other from this

list for so long.Some of us may be able to be a member of the support

group,and give support to whoever needs help.I do not have the energy to

moderate the group but if one of you creates a support group I will be a

member.

Condolences to all.

nil

Bob - Blue74730

> We just heard in our mold group that a warrior has passed on.

> -

>

>

>

> I am Blue74730's daughter and I got your e-mail addresses from my

> father's e-mails.

>

> I just wanted to inform all of you that my father passed away last

> week. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. I don't

> know how close any of you were to him but I wanted to let everyone

> know about his death and thank you for being his friend.

>

> Sincerely,

> Tami.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

> Group,

>

> I really think we need a support group,too. We know each other from

this

> list for so long.Some of us may be able to be a member of the support

> group,and give support to whoever needs help.I do not have the

energy to

> moderate the group but if one of you creates a support group I will

be a

> member.

I agree, that would be a really good idea.

[Guest guest]

Group, I so much wanted to help Bob. I thought about inviting him to

move into my home for a while. Now, I wish I had. I am so sorry that

he suffered so much. Part of me wishes I were dead too, so that I

wouldn't have to face another day of this illness. But I refuse to

give up hope. I won't die without a very big fight.

I think a support group is a good idea.

Vickie

christine wrote:

>

>

> > Group,

> >

> > I really think we need a support group,too. We know each other

from

> this

> > list for so long.Some of us may be able to be a member of the

support

> > group,and give support to whoever needs help.I do not have the

> energy to

> > moderate the group but if one of you creates a support group I

will

> be a

> > member.

>

> I agree, that would be a really good idea.

>

[Guest guest]

I hope that this isn't taken the wrong way, but I feel that Bob has

been let out of prison.

Death is inevitable for us all. I know that many people aren't ready

to even start thinking about that yet, but Bob was.

Bob had said that he had contemplated suicide and that he prayed to God

to give him a terminal illness. Bob's posts were often painful to

read. So while there is sadness at his death, I also have hope that he

has found the peace and freedom from pain and sickness that he wanted

so badly.

I have talked to a few people who had near death experiences and they

were certain that that is what awaits us after death. No one can prove

that it doesn't, so that's how I will think about his death.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I can't believe it either. I have been away from my computer for a day or so.

I am so sad . . .This is so scarey. He reached out several times and always

seemed so desparate.

Is this for real? My prayers are with him, his family and friends.

Come on everyone . . .please we must hang in there . . . we will improve!! I

am!, but its been very very tough at times.

Best wishes,

Sue T

foxhillers@... wrote:

Your every wish.....

_erikmoldwarrior at earthlink.net_ (mailto:erikmoldwarrior@...)

I emailed erik earlier for the same info, but have not heard from him yet.

mjh

In a message dated 1/23/2006 10:24:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dukejs@... writes:

Could someone please send me " erikmoldwarrior " 's email address? I have

just

read a post about Bob with his name on it ....and am quite shocked and would

like to contact Bob's daughter. Bob had been emailing me almost daily and

we

had planned to meet last week or so when he was coming to the DFW area to

see

his daughter. I live within a few miles of her home, but do not know how to

contact her. Bob and I thought we had met prior at a DFW CFS support group

meeting as our names were so familiar to each other.

If anyone knows the circumstances of his death, please email me privately.

Thanks,

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Hi, All.

I just read the news about Bob Harrington, also. Poor guy. He

suffered a lot, and for a long time. I guess he just lost hope. I

wish I had done more for him. I really thought he had gotten to the

root of his illness with his discovery a while back that the mold in

his home was getting to him. I wish he could have visited Dr.

Shoemaker.

I'll miss Bob a lot, too. For years, he used to beat the daylights

out of me by email, and then a few days later he just couldn't say

enough nice things to me. I think he was just tormented.

I can remember trying to talk him out of suicide some years ago. He

said there were many times when he had sat with a loaded gun in his

hand, but hadn't used it.

The urgency of what we're trying to do here has just been brought

home again. People, don't give up.

Serena posted this on the SickBuildings list, where Bob also

participated:

" Carl, I had been in touch with Bob (we think) right up until the

day he died.

When we last spoke, he had a doctor's appointment for the next day,

was planning

to visit his family, and was enthusiastic about buying a new travel

trailer. All

things he had discussed here with us, and he was on his way to do

them all.

Up until then, he had been having some trouble understanding what

was going

on around him and was reacting very emotionally to all sorts of

things. His

writing had gotten a bit disjointed at times, and as it turned out

later, some

of what he had written was apparently not quite what he had meant to

say. But we

had sorted a lot of it out and he had settled down quite a lot. We

even had good

laugh over the whole " PhD " rant. As it turned out, he had gotten

somewhat

confused because we had a member and a non-member with the same

name. If you

don't refer to one as " Dr. " , you can't tell which is which. When we

finally

caught on, it was pretty funny. If I had had any idea he was not in

a good place

and improving, I'd have stayed up later and talked more. I know that

any of us

would have. I didn't hear from him again. Instead, I am told, he

cancelled his

plans suddenly the following day and instead took his own life.

I don't think I quite have my head around this yet. That is, I know

what

happened to him. I know this disease kills. I know what the mental

and emotional

effects of it are. I know how close some of us have come, and

there's no

particular reason why it took him and not me or someone else. I know

he was in

touch with others here, and was planning to come back to the group

just as he

had done several times before. I just...wish he had said something

that last

day, is all.

I have forwarded notes to Bob's family as promised, and I have asked

Bob's

daughter if she would like to send along a picture or memorial or

something for

the files section here. I have assured her that he won't be

forgotten by us and

that we won't stop trying to end this illness. "

Rich

>

> Hi All,

>

> I can't believe it either. I have been away from my computer for

a day or so. I am so sad . . .This is so scarey. He reached out

several times and always seemed so desparate.

> Is this for real? My prayers are with him, his family and

friends.

> Come on everyone . . .please we must hang in there . . . we will

improve!! I am!, but its been very very tough at times.

>

> Best wishes,

> Sue T

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting that Rich. My most recent correspondance with Bob

was just how Serena described it. I do think his black periods

coincided with mold problems, he seemed aware of it once he came out

of his dark mood.

He sent me a couple of nice photos of him, including one with his

kids, if you want to pass them on to Serena.

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I can't believe it either. I have been away from my computer for

> a day or so. I am so sad . . .This is so scarey. He reached out

> several times and always seemed so desparate.

> > Is this for real? My prayers are with him, his family and

> friends.

> > Come on everyone . . .please we must hang in there . . . we will

> improve!! I am!, but its been very very tough at times.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Sue T

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

I would appreciate that very much, and I will pass them on to

Serena, if you send them to me. My address is Rich Van Konynenburg,

444 Ontario Drive, Livermore, CA 94550.

Rich

>

> Thanks for posting that Rich. My most recent correspondance with

Bob

> was just how Serena described it. I do think his black periods

> coincided with mold problems, he seemed aware of it once he came

out

> of his dark mood.

>

> He sent me a couple of nice photos of him, including one with his

> kids, if you want to pass them on to Serena.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I meant he sent them over email, just digital copies, if you

backchannel me your email address, I'll forward them to you.

> >

> > Thanks for posting that Rich. My most recent correspondance with

> Bob

> > was just how Serena described it. I do think his black periods

> > coincided with mold problems, he seemed aware of it once he came

> out

> > of his dark mood.

> >

> > He sent me a couple of nice photos of him, including one with his

> > kids, if you want to pass them on to Serena.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> This is too awful... and Bob were the two people I had the most

> contact with on this list. I agree, the home was a big problem, I

> think the migraines the mold gave him put him a terrible state of mind

> and I do fear he may have taken his own life. He suffered for such a

> long time, 25 years... I hope he is at peace now.

>

>

>

>> OMG this was Bob from Texas in the moldy mobile home!!! Do you

>>

> know anymore about what happened? He would always be on such shaky

> ground when he went back to that home but just wouldn't sell it. I

> can't BELIEVE we've lost another one of us!!! We hadn't heard from

> him in awhile and I was wondering what was going on with him. Oh

> dear, this is very very sad news :-( We have not yet had any

> questions answered about what happened to .... now Bob.... oh

> this is too sad :-( :-( If you find out any more please let me know

> what happened.

>

>> Marcia

>> Bob - Blue74730

>>

>>

>> We just heard in our mold group that a warrior has passed on.

>> -

>>

>>

>>

>> I am Blue74730's daughter and I got your e-mail addresses from my

>> father's e-mails.

>>

>> I just wanted to inform all of you that my father passed away last

>> week. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. I

>>

> don't

>

>> know how close any of you were to him but I wanted to let everyone

>> know about his death and thank you for being his friend.

>>

>> Sincerely,

>> Tami.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

>>

> with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in

> any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I really broke down sobbing over this extremely distressing news, and the loss

of our very alive and present Bob (Blue).

Let us not forget that hallmarks of ME/CFS are Emotional Lability and Relapse

from Mental and Physical overload. For many, decision making is also tormenting,

due to the damaged brain. I actually experience sharp pain

IN my brain at such times. And in tests, show significant cognitive deficits in

executive function.

In Ramsey's definition of ME, I recall the fact that patients may be prone to,

and observed in the interview, to easily " breaking down " , causing great

embarassment, particullary to the normally " stoic " .

These symptoms, as we know, are escalated beyond the bearable in the presence of

various triggers for each of us...mold, chemicals, sensory overload, etc.

I appreciated Bob's authenticity in being a MIRROR of the emotions and torment

in

10s of thousands of ME/CFS patients. Especially those without caregivers, secure

finances, or safe housing.

I have a friend, who is among

SCORES with ME/CFS/related conditions, who basically wander this country,

between family homes, and other places, simply looking for safe housing.

I also know that Bob was far from alone in sitting with a loaded gun in a

flare-up of symptoms and overload.

I really appreciated Bob for keeping alive the topic of Ciguatera epitope

poisoning, whatever it's outcome may be (as one whose bloodwork shows the

presence of this poison).

Dr. Cheney told me that CFS persons who fare the best, are those who do not

expect alot from themselves (yes, this might be called " acceptance " ), and those

with caregivers.

Bob expected alot from himself. His passion, and that of many others, might be

misdirected or disturbing to some...but is the very thing that often keeps some

of us connected, informed, and stimulated to research the next step...or assist

the next patient.

So, I salute you Bob Harrington (Blue)...for surviving all of your pain and

labilities for decades, for your Spirit, and for your contributions to the rest

of us.

I only wish that you had lived to see (Psych) Professor Simon Wessley's lecture

protested in London on Thursday by GWI veterans, ME/CFS patients, and

others...since I recall that once you envisioned such an event!

Love,

Katrina

> >

> > Thanks for posting that Rich. My most recent correspondance with

> Bob

> > was just how Serena described it. I do think his black periods

> > coincided with mold problems, he seemed aware of it once he came

> out

> > of his dark mood.

> >

> > He sent me a couple of nice photos of him, including one with his

> > kids, if you want to pass them on to Serena.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Up until then, he had been having some trouble understanding what

> was going

> on around him and was reacting very emotionally to all sorts of

> things. His

> writing had gotten a bit disjointed at times, and as it turned out

> later, some

> of what he had written was apparently not quite what he had meant to

> say. But we

> had sorted a lot of it out and he had settled down quite a lot.

Hi all,

I would like to make a note here. This is just my personal opinion. I have

known Bob form the lists and I have also noticed what Rich is saying above.

I had the impression that Bob had used and was using quite an amount of

psychiatric drugs.Last time he hinted of taking his life I wished to mention

him to get out of those drugs and contact Pfeiffer center or some place

similar. Just could not do that. I was not strong enough to take the

responsibility of giving him such an advise and I also was not sure if it

was right time to add another difficult task on his shoulders. It was just

one of those times for me that we can not evaluate things easily and get a

correct decision at correct time. I wished I had done that at that time.

So,the thing I want to say at this point is that please try to stay away

from those poisons called psychiatric drugs. Bob had some psychological

problems and I am thinking that those were not due to CFS. CFS does cause

depression and anxiety but Bobs were little different than that and I really

believe that he could have developed those problems due to usage of

psychiatric drugs.Our brains have enough of toxic load due a to our bodies

not detoxifying properly and can not handle psychiatric drugs.Remember

Cheney said SSRI s fry the CFS brain if i remember correctly.. Please think

twice before taking any psychiatric medication and add another toxic load on

our brains.

So sorry again for him.

Nil

[Guest guest]

Nil,

Tho I do agree with my own post, about serious ME/CFIDS and toxin-related

lability, I also agree with your serious concern about psychiatric drugs. This

issue is growing by leaps and bounds in our Society, and among those I know,

with and without ME/CFS. It is staggering to know the toxicity of these drugs,

the escalation of psych sx in going on AND getting off and the mass prescribing

and taking of them.

There is increasing evidence that bugs and toxins cause many Neuropsychiatric

symptoms that are labeled " Mental Illness " today.

{I have just read a study that supposedly indicated that one neurotropic treats

Schizophrenia by disrupting a bacteria that causes bizzarre ( + suicidal)

behavior in lab animals!?}

And more coming out about the hidden effects of the drugs, known only to the

Pharmaceutical companies who test them ( such as suicides IN THE TRIAL,

including a hanging right in the Eli Lilly lab...possibly as a young woman went

OFF of one).

The above dangerous and precarious conditions make it very painful to make one's

own decisions about the sx and drugs...ESPECIALLY without finances for

expensive, wholistic treatments...and what to say to others in fragile places

about them.

IMO, This is all largely a result of perverted, corrupted, Science,

under-funding and publishing on viruses and toxins, monopoly of research by

Pharmaceutical Cos. and gluttonous, financial greed.

Dr. Cheney does believe that psych drugs cause brain damage. He told me of a

debate between opponents and proponents of them. That they BOTH agreed that

brain damage occurs. The difference being, whether the trade-off off is worth

it. Or that damage is already there. Or, possibly, who needs those specific

neurons anyway??

He also said that after long term use, a person may have to remain on them for

life.

I know from reports and *much witnessing*, the dangers of coming off of them

improperly. It must be exquisitely, carefully, slowly done.

This is all a terrible, terrible quandry, going on everywhere.

Katrina

>

>

> >

> > Up until then, he had been having some trouble understanding what

> > was going

> > on around him and was reacting very emotionally to all sorts of

> > things. His

> > writing had gotten a bit disjointed at times, and as it turned out

> > later, some

> > of what he had written was apparently not quite what he had meant to

> > say. But we

> > had sorted a lot of it out and he had settled down quite a lot.

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I would like to make a note here. This is just my personal opinion. I have

> known Bob form the lists and I have also noticed what Rich is saying above.

> I had the impression that Bob had used and was using quite an amount of

> psychiatric drugs.Last time he hinted of taking his life I wished to mention

> him to get out of those drugs and contact Pfeiffer center or some place

> similar. Just could not do that. I was not strong enough to take the

> responsibility of giving him such an advise and I also was not sure if it

> was right time to add another difficult task on his shoulders. It was just

> one of those times for me that we can not evaluate things easily and get a

> correct decision at correct time. I wished I had done that at that time.

> So,the thing I want to say at this point is that please try to stay away

> from those poisons called psychiatric drugs. Bob had some psychological

> problems and I am thinking that those were not due to CFS. CFS does cause

> depression and anxiety but Bobs were little different than that and I really

> believe that he could have developed those problems due to usage of

> psychiatric drugs.Our brains have enough of toxic load due a to our bodies

> not detoxifying properly and can not handle psychiatric drugs.Remember

> Cheney said SSRI s fry the CFS brain if i remember correctly.. Please think

> twice before taking any psychiatric medication and add another toxic load on

> our brains.

>

> So sorry again for him.

> Nil

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 3:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cortttt@... writes:

I suggest you write a paper outlining the dangers of mold, how to determine

if it is present and most importantly ways CFS patients can determine if they

have a mold problem. You might also add books to read about it, etc. How

long could it take to do that? I'll put it on my website.

And, also, what to do to remediate the mold issue AND protect themselves

from further degradation.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

This is very sad news about Bob. I only knew him through his posts

here but is was clear that he was suffering a great deal. This is a

terrible illness. Thank you, Rich, for posting Serena's message.

With condolences to his family,

[Guest guest]

Tami at _Tx bratt 6242_ (mailto:Tx bratt 6242) @aol.com

In a message dated 1/24/2006 5:49:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cortttt@... writes:

I would really like to get his daughters e-mail address. I need to

communicate with her.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

" rvankonynen " wrote:

Hi, All.

I just read the news about Bob Harrington, also. Poor guy. He

suffered a lot, and for a long time. I guess he just lost hope. I

wish I had done more for him. I really thought he had gotten to

the root of his illness with his discovery a while back that the

mold in his home was getting to him. I wish he could have visited

Dr. Shoemaker.

> The urgency of what we're trying to do here has just been brought

home again. People, don't give up.

>

Rich and all, what people should understand about Bob's experience

is that he firmly rejected the mold concept and resisted implicating

mycotoxins for years and did not make this determination as a normal

consequence of perceiving exposure and identifying the source.

Mold illness is not obvious and apparent as people think it must

surely be.

If you examine the stories of mold survivors, they rarely discover

it on their own - even when driven to extreme disability.

When Bob found the water accumulation feeding mold under his

trailer, he attempted to deal with it himself despite a strong

warning that this would be disastrous, and he was forced to flee to

a motel in agony.

After spending 21 days in a tent and feeling the benefits of

avoidance, he attempted to return to the trailer while in the phase

Dr Shoemaker calls " intensification reaction " .

This is a perilous time for people dealing with mold, and Bob was

emotionally slammed and neurologically disabled beyond the point of

being able respond to the situation appropriately and control the

complex variables involved in a mold evacuation.

This is difficult almost beyond imagination.

Bob's messages to me indicate that he really was coming to an

understanding of mycotoxins as a driving force in his symptoms, but

the first impulse of most people in this stage is to rush into

measures and personal involvement in remediation that have proven

repeatedly to be disastrous and deadly.

People who find mold must not do this.

Mold illness is not obvious.

What would seem to be a logical responses to finding mold are

absolutely counterproductive and life destroying.

The explanations are not quick and nobody is going to understand

this with a short description, it has been a very long education for

those of us who have been through it.

-

[Guest guest]

, could you forward them to me too so I could see a pic of Bob? We've

been interracting together on these lists so many years. He would get mad, then

get over it, I too would try and help calm him down through his suicidal

periods. He and I had been sick about the same length of time (him about 28

yrs, me 27) and I think he was a year or two older than me. I don't think many

people realize how much harder it becomes to cope with this the longer you have

it, the more life you have lost, carreer hopes completely gone, facing old age

with little hope for anything but getting worse;.... etc.... I really think in

Bobs case that mold in his house killed him. He had cfs before he moved into

that house, but got progressively worse and each time he went back to that house

his mental symptoms got closer to being totally out of control. mentioned

this happens with mold situations, when you leave, then try and come back it

slams you harder each time. He must have gotten too overwhelmed to fight it.

Thanks to those who've shared more of the circumstances of it all, having known

Bob on the lists for so many years, I really struggled with a need to know more

about what happened before I can put any kind of closure on this. I pray Bob is

now at peace and in no pain.

Marcia

Re: Bob - Blue74730

I meant he sent them over email, just digital copies, if you

backchannel me your email address, I'll forward them to you.

> >

> > Thanks for posting that Rich. My most recent correspondance with

> Bob

> > was just how Serena described it. I do think his black periods

> > coincided with mold problems, he seemed aware of it once he came

> out

> > of his dark mood.

> >

> > He sent me a couple of nice photos of him, including one with his

> > kids, if you want to pass them on to Serena.

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Katrina and Nil,

Psychiatric drugs may have contributed to Bob's death, but I very

much doubt it.

I have taken anti-depressants and klonopine on and off since 1980.

When I read a book in 1996 about how damaging psychiatric drugs are,

I swore I would never take another psychiatric drug. But there is

nothing else I have found that provides SOME relief except klonopine,

antihistamines, and prednisone. I don't take prednisone because I

don't want to suppress my immune system. I don't tolerate pain

killers. During periods when I cannot sleep, the only thing that

works is Celexa antidepressant, along with a number of other things.

It has been my observation that people who are infected with B.

burgdorferi and other microbes that infect the brain have a larger

psychiatric component to their illness. It is common for people with

Lyme disease to experience periods of irritability, depression,

manic/depression or even hallucinations. During the years I took IV

and oral antibiotics, I was totally free of depression. Even now, the

only time I have mental symptoms is during my monthly flareup.

's description of his symptoms is very apt. (Periodically, it

comes very close to killing you, but stops just short of doing so and

lets you recover some before the next attack.) To me that is a good

description of a chronic infection.

Since I don't tolerate antibiotics any more, I am sort of stuck with

the psychiatric drugs.

Vickie

>

> Nil,

>

> Tho I do agree with my own post, about serious ME/CFIDS and toxin-

related lability, I also agree with your serious concern about

psychiatric drugs. This issue is growing by leaps and bounds in our

Society, and among those I know, with and without ME/CFS. It is

staggering to know the toxicity of these drugs, the escalation of

psych sx in going on AND getting off and the mass prescribing and

taking of them.

>

> There is increasing evidence that bugs and toxins cause many

Neuropsychiatric symptoms that are labeled " Mental Illness " today.

> {I have just read a study that supposedly indicated that one

neurotropic treats Schizophrenia by disrupting a bacteria that

causes bizzarre ( + suicidal) behavior in lab animals!?}

>

> And more coming out about the hidden effects of the drugs, known

only to the Pharmaceutical companies who test them ( such as suicides

IN THE TRIAL, including a hanging right in the Eli Lilly

lab...possibly as a young woman went OFF of one).

>

> The above dangerous and precarious conditions make it very painful

to make one's own decisions about the sx and drugs...ESPECIALLY

without finances for expensive, wholistic treatments...and what to

say to others in fragile places about them.

>

> IMO, This is all largely a result of perverted, corrupted,

Science, under-funding and publishing on viruses and toxins, monopoly

of research by Pharmaceutical Cos. and gluttonous, financial greed.

>

>

> Dr. Cheney does believe that psych drugs cause brain damage. He

told me of a debate between opponents and proponents of them. That

they BOTH agreed that brain damage occurs. The difference being,

whether the trade-off off is worth it. Or that damage is already

there. Or, possibly, who needs those specific neurons anyway??

>

> He also said that after long term use, a person may have to remain

on them for life.

>

> I know from reports and *much witnessing*, the dangers of coming

off of them improperly. It must be exquisitely, carefully, slowly

done.

>

> This is all a terrible, terrible quandry, going on everywhere.

>

>

> Katrina

[Guest guest]

I would really like to get his daughters e-mail address. I need to communicate

with her.

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: We just heard in our

mold group that a warrior has passed on.

-

I am Blue74730's daughter and I got your e-mail addresses from my

father's e-mails.

I just wanted to inform all of you that my father passed away last

week. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. I don't

know how close any of you were to him but I wanted to let everyone

know about his death and thank you for being his friend.

Sincerely,

Tami.

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