Re: winter colds and viruses

[Guest guest]

On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:28 PM, Capel wrote:

>

> Am I the only one here who gets every cold and virus that comes

> down the

> pike from fall through spring? I'm on about my 4th or 5th cold /

> virus

> since late November now, and I'm fed up (not to mention tired of

> the chills

> & fever and sniffling, coughing, fuzzy thinking and bleary eyeballs,

> etc). Today, it's suddenly a sore throat added to the symptomatology

> too. That's kinda new for me.

>

> One year I came down with something in late Dec--early Jan and

> whatever it

> was kept mutating and reinfecting me till that following April.

ProBoost. No kidding. We've had three cold/flu bouts that have swept

through the family since October. (We're at the end of the third one

as I write this -- we've all spent the week in bed.)

In all three cases, I immediately started hitting the ProBoost 3x/

day. (Usually, I just take one.) And in all three cases, I had the

mildest case in the family for a change; and was up and out of it in

48 hours or less.

If you can do ProBoost, it's really your friend.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Okay...thanks, Sara. This means my immune system is holey like Swiss

cheese...not overactive? I spend so much time being sick (awwww), I

never know what to think about this. Overactive or underactive...or

these " lightweight " but annoying viruses and such are irrelevant to

this issue?

>

> >

> > Am I the only one here who gets every cold and virus that comes

> > down the

> > pike from fall through spring? I'm on about my 4th or 5th

cold /

> > virus

> > since late November now, and I'm fed up (not to mention tired of

> > the chills

> > & fever and sniffling, coughing, fuzzy thinking and bleary

eyeballs,

> > etc). Today, it's suddenly a sore throat added to the

symptomatology

> > too. That's kinda new for me.

> >

> > One year I came down with something in late Dec--early Jan and

> > whatever it

> > was kept mutating and reinfecting me till that following April.

>

> ProBoost. No kidding. We've had three cold/flu bouts that have

swept

> through the family since October. (We're at the end of the third

one

> as I write this -- we've all spent the week in bed.)

>

> In all three cases, I immediately started hitting the ProBoost 3x/

> day. (Usually, I just take one.) And in all three cases, I had the

> mildest case in the family for a change; and was up and out of it

in

> 48 hours or less.

>

> If you can do ProBoost, it's really your friend.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:54 PM, netsukeme wrote:

> Okay...thanks, Sara. This means my immune system is holey like Swiss

> cheese...not overactive? I spend so much time being sick (awwww), I

> never know what to think about this. Overactive or underactive...or

> these " lightweight " but annoying viruses and such are irrelevant to

> this issue?

I'm no doctor, but my experience with this has been that " over " and

" under " doesn't really describe what's happening for many of us.

Rather, it may be more accurate to think of it as " out of balance " --

or just plain out of whack.

An out-of-balance immune system is prone to over-respond to stuff

that's not threatening; and under-respond to actual threats. In other

words, part of being out of balance is that it gets kinda stupid, and

forgets how to pick its battles. Bringing it back into balance will

also improve its " judgement " -- so you should get a more effective

response to colds and flu -- and, at the same time, you should also

have fewer problems with allergies and other autoimmune fun-and-games.

ProBoost supplements the thymic gland, which is the master control

center for the immune system. Theoretically, anyway, supplementing

the control center should make it smarter, as well as more effective

-- which means that it will go after those cold germs with much more

gusto, without kicking up your other problems in the process.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Thymic? Thanks, Sara. " Miles to go before I sleep, " I can tell.

Thanks.

Actually I've been prone to this viral stuff my entire life. I take

it back to the mono or CMV I had at 5 years, really. It seems like

it's all stepped up in frequency since the 1980s, though, when I had

a doctor who refused to dx my hypothyroidism for months and months.

I haven't been the same since, in too many ways to list.

>

> > Okay...thanks, Sara. This means my immune system is holey like

Swiss

> > cheese...not overactive? I spend so much time being sick

(awwww), I

> > never know what to think about this. Overactive or

underactive...or

> > these " lightweight " but annoying viruses and such are irrelevant

to

> > this issue?

>

> I'm no doctor, but my experience with this has been that " over "

and

> " under " doesn't really describe what's happening for many of us.

> Rather, it may be more accurate to think of it as " out of balance " -

-

> or just plain out of whack.

>

> An out-of-balance immune system is prone to over-respond to stuff

> that's not threatening; and under-respond to actual threats. In

other

> words, part of being out of balance is that it gets kinda stupid,

and

> forgets how to pick its battles. Bringing it back into balance

will

> also improve its " judgement " -- so you should get a more effective

> response to colds and flu -- and, at the same time, you should

also

> have fewer problems with allergies and other autoimmune fun-and-

games.

>

> ProBoost supplements the thymic gland, which is the master control

> center for the immune system. Theoretically, anyway, supplementing

> the control center should make it smarter, as well as more

effective

> -- which means that it will go after those cold germs with much

more

> gusto, without kicking up your other problems in the process.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

On Jan 21, 2006, at 10:54 PM, netsukeme wrote:

> Thymic? Thanks, Sara.

Well, " thymus, " actually. It's right behind your breastbone, under

the thyroid. It's really strong when we're kids; but by young

adulthood, it loses most of it function, even in healthy people. In

us, though, it's worse.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the thyroid?

(I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously they

are physically, but that's not really what I mean.)

What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how? Anyone?

Sorry...I'm not trying to drive you nuts. I just realized how stupid

I am about physiology.

>

> > Thymic? Thanks, Sara.

>

> Well, " thymus, " actually. It's right behind your breastbone, under

> the thyroid. It's really strong when we're kids; but by young

> adulthood, it loses most of it function, even in healthy people. In

> us, though, it's worse.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:07 AM, netsukeme wrote:

> Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the thyroid?

> (I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously they

> are physically, but that's not really what I mean.)

>

> What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how?

> Anyone?

In us, the thymus winks out faster, harder, and with more serious

effects. In most people, it keeps functioning at a 10-15% level,

which is enough to pull us through most critical immune events

throughout most of our lives. (Though its continued decline is why

seniors are more susceptible to death from things like flu epidemics.)

In us, it can fail almost utterly. (IIRC, doesn't the thymus produce

the natural killer (NK) cells? The ones a majority of us have almost

none of?) Which is why our immune systems go on the blink, and start

going after silly things like our own tissues while completely

overlooking real invaders like, say, mycoplasma.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

I had heard about the thymus shrinking by the age of 40. That is where most of

the helper cells come from, so I take Proboost once a day. It has not cure my

CFS, but I take it to help the thymus with it's job.

Mercuria <mercuria@...> wrote:

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:07 AM, netsukeme wrote:

> Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the thyroid?

> (I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously they

> are physically, but that's not really what I mean.)

>

> What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how?

> Anyone?

In us, the thymus winks out faster, harder, and with more serious

effects. In most people, it keeps functioning at a 10-15% level,

which is enough to pull us through most critical immune events

throughout most of our lives. (Though its continued decline is why

seniors are more susceptible to death from things like flu epidemics.)

In us, it can fail almost utterly. (IIRC, doesn't the thymus produce

the natural killer (NK) cells? The ones a majority of us have almost

none of?) Which is why our immune systems go on the blink, and start

going after silly things like our own tissues while completely

overlooking real invaders like, say, mycoplasma.

Sara

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

I see. Okay...thanks, Sara. It makes sense. Thank you for the

clarity.

>

> > Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the

thyroid?

> > (I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously

they

> > are physically, but that's not really what I mean.)

> >

> > What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how?

> > Anyone?

>

> In us, the thymus winks out faster, harder, and with more serious

> effects. In most people, it keeps functioning at a 10-15% level,

> which is enough to pull us through most critical immune events

> throughout most of our lives. (Though its continued decline is why

> seniors are more susceptible to death from things like flu

epidemics.)

>

> In us, it can fail almost utterly. (IIRC, doesn't the thymus

produce

> the natural killer (NK) cells? The ones a majority of us have

almost

> none of?) Which is why our immune systems go on the blink, and

start

> going after silly things like our own tissues while completely

> overlooking real invaders like, say, mycoplasma.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

Re: winter colds and viruses

Hmmmm. I've been like this for a long time -- just not this bad, as

it's been in the last few years, it seems. But, now you're making me

think of my loose bridge that needs to be fixed/replaced, but I

s'pose there's no connection. I did have multiple dental infections,

though, from around 2000 through 2003, resulting in a couple of

extractions and a couple of root canals. And this was circa a huge

crash I had that's been hard to work through.

well, oddly enough the leaky merc filling i had was UNDER my badly done ill

fitting bridge TOO!!! It was at the base of the root of one of the dead teeth

under that bridge. It cost a fortune to have the bridge drilled off and they put

on a temp one and I still have to pay another 1000 for the lab fees to get the

perm bridge put on, there was decay in 3 of the 4 teeth under that bridge

because it fit so badly as well.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Re: winter colds and viruses

>

>

> Hmmmm. I've been like this for a long time -- just not this bad,

as

> it's been in the last few years, it seems. But, now you're

making me

> think of my loose bridge that needs to be fixed/replaced, but I

> s'pose there's no connection. I did have multiple dental

infections,

> though, from around 2000 through 2003, resulting in a couple of

> extractions and a couple of root canals. And this was circa a

huge

> crash I had that's been hard to work through.

>

> well, oddly enough the leaky merc filling i had was UNDER my

badly done ill fitting bridge TOO!!! It was at the base of the root

of one of the dead teeth under that bridge. It cost a fortune to have

the bridge drilled off and they put on a temp one and I still have to

pay another 1000 for the lab fees to get the perm bridge put on,

there was decay in 3 of the 4 teeth under that bridge because it fit

so badly as well.

>

> Marcia

>

Oh-oh, Marcia. Oh-oh for me, I mean. I don't even know if I have

any fillings, period, in what's under the bridge. Mostly the teeth

were root-canaled for adding another tooth length onto the bridge to

make it longer. Now I have to have the whole thing removed entirely

and have a unfixed bridge made or else implants. I want implants,

but the stories of shrinking bone and other stuff scares me. The

expense, though, is not that much more than this bridgework looks to

be -- all of which is out of sight right now, till I get better $$

situated.

At night, to try to keep my mouth clean, I use baking soda on a tooth

brush for cleaning, and then H2O2 mixed about 50:50 with water for

rinse and " swish. "

This blasted bridge has always been ill-fitting. The dentist told me

I have " two bites. " I guess I bite down differently on each side?

You'd think that that would be compensated for when a technician is

making a bridge, wouldn't you? They're supposed to measure and take

impressions of all your " bites. " Argh.

[Guest guest]

This blasted bridge has always been ill-fitting. The dentist told me

I have " two bites. " I guess I bite down differently on each side?

You'd think that that would be compensated for when a technician is

making a bridge, wouldn't you? They're supposed to measure and take

impressions of all your " bites. " Argh.

I had that bad bridge on for 12 yrs, and it gave he HORRIBLE jaw pain and ruined

my bite, my jaw is so crooked now I dont' think it could ever be brought back

into its normal position. What a mess. two teeth under my bridge were root

canalled too, both dead, the one had that leaky merc filling at the base of the

root of it, they put it in when they did the root canal when I was a kid. I did

my toxic urine metals test and will get the results tomorrow from the

naturepath. Will probably have a load of metal detox to do.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

>

>

> This blasted bridge has always been ill-fitting. The dentist told

me

> I have " two bites. " I guess I bite down differently on each side?

> You'd think that that would be compensated for when a technician is

> making a bridge, wouldn't you? They're supposed to measure and

take

> impressions of all your " bites. " Argh.

>

>

>

>

> I had that bad bridge on for 12 yrs, and it gave he HORRIBLE jaw

pain and ruined my bite, my jaw is so crooked now I dont' think it

could ever be brought back into its normal position. What a mess.

two teeth under my bridge were root canalled too, both dead, the one

had that leaky merc filling at the base of the root of it, they put

it in when they did the root canal when I was a kid. I did my toxic

urine metals test and will get the results tomorrow from the

naturepath. Will probably have a load of metal detox to do.

>

> Marcia

I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia. I've never done

this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems and standing in

the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have a " good

potential " for this too.

[Guest guest]

I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia. I've never done

this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems and standing in

the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have a " good

potential " for this too.

I'll meet with him tomorrow afternoon, I plan to share the results with the

list, yes will be interesting to see just how many metals they found and what

levels!

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Hi .

I have had the problem of catching viruses constantly for many years,

to the point where I now only have contact with people during the cold

and flu season if I have to. Proboost helps but does not solve the

problem for me. I have tried a lot of other immune stimulants over the

years without much success.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom. Gee, that is discouraging. I have very little outside

contact already, no matter the season. It takes me twice as long to

do work (I work at home) because of spine/pain problems, so I don't

have time or energy to go out. But...I **still** catch all the

viruses that are around. People think I'm a hermit or curmudgeon, but

who cares.... I had convinced myself they arrive in packages through

FedEx and US Priority Mail.

Lately I've been wondering if perhaps I've been trading viruses with

my one remaining dog, too.

Sigh. I guess there's no easy answer to this.

>

> Hi .

>

> I have had the problem of catching viruses constantly for many

years,

> to the point where I now only have contact with people during the

cold

> and flu season if I have to. Proboost helps but does not solve the

> problem for me. I have tried a lot of other immune stimulants over

the

> years without much success.

>

> Tom

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .

I'm sorry to be so discouraging, actually I intended more to let you

know that you weren't alone. I don't think even most PWCs understand

how physically and psychologically difficult this problem is to deal

with.

Another thing that helps me is glutathione. I used to be able to get

IV glutathione and that helped me in a lot of ways. Many people can

get all the glutathione they need from one of the undenatured whey

proteins. This is a supplement that all PWCs should at least try.

So I would recommend glutathione and Proboost.

Other people have suggested treatments that work great for them, so

try the ones that make sense to you but research them first because

as you read this newsgroup you will come across many people who have

harmed themselves with too much experimentation.

Tom

>

> Hi Tom. Gee, that is discouraging. I have very little outside

> contact already, no matter the season. It takes me twice as long

to

> do work (I work at home) because of spine/pain problems, so I don't

> have time or energy to go out. But...I **still** catch all the

> viruses that are around. People think I'm a hermit or curmudgeon,

but

> who cares.... I had convinced myself they arrive in packages

through

> FedEx and US Priority Mail.

>

> Lately I've been wondering if perhaps I've been trading viruses

with

> my one remaining dog, too.

>

> Sigh. I guess there's no easy answer to this.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know, Tom. I understand what you meant. What I meant is that

I was discouraged to learn that I wasn't the only one who gets sick

all the time. This is not the kind of thing you really want " to

share. "

I get discouraged, too, to read about everyone who takes 14 pills in

the morning, 32 pills in the afternoon or at dinner, and then another

10 or 12 at night. When does everyone have the time, energy, and

mental capacity to do all this? I already spend at least double-time

trying to earn income to keep myself afloat (sans health insurance,

to boot).

Given that we are all at least a little bit different, I don't see

how people contend with any of this stuff. Just trying to survive,

period, is hard enough. If I had to do all the figuring out and pill

ordering and counting and then self-monitoring, besides what I

already do, someone would find me face-down in my plate full of pills

one day. I couldn't do it. How do you make a choice between the

different types of " survival " ?

> >

> > Hi Tom. Gee, that is discouraging. I have very little outside

> > contact already, no matter the season. It takes me twice as long

> to

> > do work (I work at home) because of spine/pain problems, so I

don't

> > have time or energy to go out. But...I **still** catch all the

> > viruses that are around. People think I'm a hermit or

curmudgeon,

> but

> > who cares.... I had convinced myself they arrive in packages

> through

> > FedEx and US Priority Mail.

> >

> > Lately I've been wondering if perhaps I've been trading viruses

> with

> > my one remaining dog, too.

> >

> > Sigh. I guess there's no easy answer to this.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 4:33:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

yildiz22@... writes:

Does it make any differance if it is in ascorbic acid form or in Calcium

ascorbate?

Thanks

nil

-----

Nil

No, it's been my experience that both forms work. I use a higher dose.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C

1 gram every half hour until symptoms are gone (three hours, maybe)

then every time you feel like it. When you are ill you tolerate

enourmous amounts. It also helps to stop the cold from starting if I

do it right when I feel the first itch. But you still need to take

care, stay warm etc. Try it and you never will do anything else.

Tove

ps Swallow whole-type are best, as you get really fed up with the

taste.

[Guest guest]

Does it make any differance if it is in ascorbic acid form or in Calcium

ascorbate?

Thanks

nil

Re: winter colds and viruses

> Vitamin C

> 1 gram every half hour until symptoms are gone (three hours, maybe)

> then every time you feel like it. When you are ill you tolerate

> enourmous amounts. It also helps to stop the cold from starting if I

>