Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:28 PM, Capel wrote: > > Am I the only one here who gets every cold and virus that comes > down the > pike from fall through spring? I'm on about my 4th or 5th cold / > virus > since late November now, and I'm fed up (not to mention tired of > the chills > & fever and sniffling, coughing, fuzzy thinking and bleary eyeballs, > etc). Today, it's suddenly a sore throat added to the symptomatology > too. That's kinda new for me. > > One year I came down with something in late Dec--early Jan and > whatever it > was kept mutating and reinfecting me till that following April. ProBoost. No kidding. We've had three cold/flu bouts that have swept through the family since October. (We're at the end of the third one as I write this -- we've all spent the week in bed.) In all three cases, I immediately started hitting the ProBoost 3x/ day. (Usually, I just take one.) And in all three cases, I had the mildest case in the family for a change; and was up and out of it in 48 hours or less. If you can do ProBoost, it's really your friend. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Okay...thanks, Sara. This means my immune system is holey like Swiss cheese...not overactive? I spend so much time being sick (awwww), I never know what to think about this. Overactive or underactive...or these " lightweight " but annoying viruses and such are irrelevant to this issue? > > > > > Am I the only one here who gets every cold and virus that comes > > down the > > pike from fall through spring? I'm on about my 4th or 5th cold / > > virus > > since late November now, and I'm fed up (not to mention tired of > > the chills > > & fever and sniffling, coughing, fuzzy thinking and bleary eyeballs, > > etc). Today, it's suddenly a sore throat added to the symptomatology > > too. That's kinda new for me. > > > > One year I came down with something in late Dec--early Jan and > > whatever it > > was kept mutating and reinfecting me till that following April. > > ProBoost. No kidding. We've had three cold/flu bouts that have swept > through the family since October. (We're at the end of the third one > as I write this -- we've all spent the week in bed.) > > In all three cases, I immediately started hitting the ProBoost 3x/ > day. (Usually, I just take one.) And in all three cases, I had the > mildest case in the family for a change; and was up and out of it in > 48 hours or less. > > If you can do ProBoost, it's really your friend. > > Sara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:54 PM, netsukeme wrote: > Okay...thanks, Sara. This means my immune system is holey like Swiss > cheese...not overactive? I spend so much time being sick (awwww), I > never know what to think about this. Overactive or underactive...or > these " lightweight " but annoying viruses and such are irrelevant to > this issue? I'm no doctor, but my experience with this has been that " over " and " under " doesn't really describe what's happening for many of us. Rather, it may be more accurate to think of it as " out of balance " -- or just plain out of whack. An out-of-balance immune system is prone to over-respond to stuff that's not threatening; and under-respond to actual threats. In other words, part of being out of balance is that it gets kinda stupid, and forgets how to pick its battles. Bringing it back into balance will also improve its " judgement " -- so you should get a more effective response to colds and flu -- and, at the same time, you should also have fewer problems with allergies and other autoimmune fun-and-games. ProBoost supplements the thymic gland, which is the master control center for the immune system. Theoretically, anyway, supplementing the control center should make it smarter, as well as more effective -- which means that it will go after those cold germs with much more gusto, without kicking up your other problems in the process. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Thymic? Thanks, Sara. " Miles to go before I sleep, " I can tell. Thanks. Actually I've been prone to this viral stuff my entire life. I take it back to the mono or CMV I had at 5 years, really. It seems like it's all stepped up in frequency since the 1980s, though, when I had a doctor who refused to dx my hypothyroidism for months and months. I haven't been the same since, in too many ways to list. > > > Okay...thanks, Sara. This means my immune system is holey like Swiss > > cheese...not overactive? I spend so much time being sick (awwww), I > > never know what to think about this. Overactive or underactive...or > > these " lightweight " but annoying viruses and such are irrelevant to > > this issue? > > I'm no doctor, but my experience with this has been that " over " and > " under " doesn't really describe what's happening for many of us. > Rather, it may be more accurate to think of it as " out of balance " - - > or just plain out of whack. > > An out-of-balance immune system is prone to over-respond to stuff > that's not threatening; and under-respond to actual threats. In other > words, part of being out of balance is that it gets kinda stupid, and > forgets how to pick its battles. Bringing it back into balance will > also improve its " judgement " -- so you should get a more effective > response to colds and flu -- and, at the same time, you should also > have fewer problems with allergies and other autoimmune fun-and- games. > > ProBoost supplements the thymic gland, which is the master control > center for the immune system. Theoretically, anyway, supplementing > the control center should make it smarter, as well as more effective > -- which means that it will go after those cold germs with much more > gusto, without kicking up your other problems in the process. > > Sara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 On Jan 21, 2006, at 10:54 PM, netsukeme wrote: > Thymic? Thanks, Sara. Well, " thymus, " actually. It's right behind your breastbone, under the thyroid. It's really strong when we're kids; but by young adulthood, it loses most of it function, even in healthy people. In us, though, it's worse. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the thyroid? (I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously they are physically, but that's not really what I mean.) What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how? Anyone? Sorry...I'm not trying to drive you nuts. I just realized how stupid I am about physiology. > > > Thymic? Thanks, Sara. > > Well, " thymus, " actually. It's right behind your breastbone, under > the thyroid. It's really strong when we're kids; but by young > adulthood, it loses most of it function, even in healthy people. In > us, though, it's worse. > > Sara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:07 AM, netsukeme wrote: > Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the thyroid? > (I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously they > are physically, but that's not really what I mean.) > > What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how? > Anyone? In us, the thymus winks out faster, harder, and with more serious effects. In most people, it keeps functioning at a 10-15% level, which is enough to pull us through most critical immune events throughout most of our lives. (Though its continued decline is why seniors are more susceptible to death from things like flu epidemics.) In us, it can fail almost utterly. (IIRC, doesn't the thymus produce the natural killer (NK) cells? The ones a majority of us have almost none of?) Which is why our immune systems go on the blink, and start going after silly things like our own tissues while completely overlooking real invaders like, say, mycoplasma. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hi Sara, I had heard about the thymus shrinking by the age of 40. That is where most of the helper cells come from, so I take Proboost once a day. It has not cure my CFS, but I take it to help the thymus with it's job. Mercuria <mercuria@...> wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:07 AM, netsukeme wrote: > Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the thyroid? > (I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously they > are physically, but that's not really what I mean.) > > What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how? > Anyone? In us, the thymus winks out faster, harder, and with more serious effects. In most people, it keeps functioning at a 10-15% level, which is enough to pull us through most critical immune events throughout most of our lives. (Though its continued decline is why seniors are more susceptible to death from things like flu epidemics.) In us, it can fail almost utterly. (IIRC, doesn't the thymus produce the natural killer (NK) cells? The ones a majority of us have almost none of?) Which is why our immune systems go on the blink, and start going after silly things like our own tissues while completely overlooking real invaders like, say, mycoplasma. Sara This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I see. Okay...thanks, Sara. It makes sense. Thank you for the clarity. > > > Is there interaction or any interchange of any sort with the thyroid? > > (I want to ask if they're discrete and separate, when obviously they > > are physically, but that's not really what I mean.) > > > > What do you mean that " in us, though, it's worse " ? Worse how? > > Anyone? > > In us, the thymus winks out faster, harder, and with more serious > effects. In most people, it keeps functioning at a 10-15% level, > which is enough to pull us through most critical immune events > throughout most of our lives. (Though its continued decline is why > seniors are more susceptible to death from things like flu epidemics.) > > In us, it can fail almost utterly. (IIRC, doesn't the thymus produce > the natural killer (NK) cells? The ones a majority of us have almost > none of?) Which is why our immune systems go on the blink, and start > going after silly things like our own tissues while completely > overlooking real invaders like, say, mycoplasma. > > Sara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Re: winter colds and viruses Hmmmm. I've been like this for a long time -- just not this bad, as it's been in the last few years, it seems. But, now you're making me think of my loose bridge that needs to be fixed/replaced, but I s'pose there's no connection. I did have multiple dental infections, though, from around 2000 through 2003, resulting in a couple of extractions and a couple of root canals. And this was circa a huge crash I had that's been hard to work through. well, oddly enough the leaky merc filling i had was UNDER my badly done ill fitting bridge TOO!!! It was at the base of the root of one of the dead teeth under that bridge. It cost a fortune to have the bridge drilled off and they put on a temp one and I still have to pay another 1000 for the lab fees to get the perm bridge put on, there was decay in 3 of the 4 teeth under that bridge because it fit so badly as well. Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 > > > Re: winter colds and viruses > > > Hmmmm. I've been like this for a long time -- just not this bad, as > it's been in the last few years, it seems. But, now you're making me > think of my loose bridge that needs to be fixed/replaced, but I > s'pose there's no connection. I did have multiple dental infections, > though, from around 2000 through 2003, resulting in a couple of > extractions and a couple of root canals. And this was circa a huge > crash I had that's been hard to work through. > > well, oddly enough the leaky merc filling i had was UNDER my badly done ill fitting bridge TOO!!! It was at the base of the root of one of the dead teeth under that bridge. It cost a fortune to have the bridge drilled off and they put on a temp one and I still have to pay another 1000 for the lab fees to get the perm bridge put on, there was decay in 3 of the 4 teeth under that bridge because it fit so badly as well. > > Marcia > Oh-oh, Marcia. Oh-oh for me, I mean. I don't even know if I have any fillings, period, in what's under the bridge. Mostly the teeth were root-canaled for adding another tooth length onto the bridge to make it longer. Now I have to have the whole thing removed entirely and have a unfixed bridge made or else implants. I want implants, but the stories of shrinking bone and other stuff scares me. The expense, though, is not that much more than this bridgework looks to be -- all of which is out of sight right now, till I get better $$ situated. At night, to try to keep my mouth clean, I use baking soda on a tooth brush for cleaning, and then H2O2 mixed about 50:50 with water for rinse and " swish. " This blasted bridge has always been ill-fitting. The dentist told me I have " two bites. " I guess I bite down differently on each side? You'd think that that would be compensated for when a technician is making a bridge, wouldn't you? They're supposed to measure and take impressions of all your " bites. " Argh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 This blasted bridge has always been ill-fitting. The dentist told me I have " two bites. " I guess I bite down differently on each side? You'd think that that would be compensated for when a technician is making a bridge, wouldn't you? They're supposed to measure and take impressions of all your " bites. " Argh. I had that bad bridge on for 12 yrs, and it gave he HORRIBLE jaw pain and ruined my bite, my jaw is so crooked now I dont' think it could ever be brought back into its normal position. What a mess. two teeth under my bridge were root canalled too, both dead, the one had that leaky merc filling at the base of the root of it, they put it in when they did the root canal when I was a kid. I did my toxic urine metals test and will get the results tomorrow from the naturepath. Will probably have a load of metal detox to do. Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 > > > This blasted bridge has always been ill-fitting. The dentist told me > I have " two bites. " I guess I bite down differently on each side? > You'd think that that would be compensated for when a technician is > making a bridge, wouldn't you? They're supposed to measure and take > impressions of all your " bites. " Argh. > > > > > I had that bad bridge on for 12 yrs, and it gave he HORRIBLE jaw pain and ruined my bite, my jaw is so crooked now I dont' think it could ever be brought back into its normal position. What a mess. two teeth under my bridge were root canalled too, both dead, the one had that leaky merc filling at the base of the root of it, they put it in when they did the root canal when I was a kid. I did my toxic urine metals test and will get the results tomorrow from the naturepath. Will probably have a load of metal detox to do. > > Marcia I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia. I've never done this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems and standing in the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have a " good potential " for this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia. I've never done this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems and standing in the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have a " good potential " for this too. I'll meet with him tomorrow afternoon, I plan to share the results with the list, yes will be interesting to see just how many metals they found and what levels! Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hi . I have had the problem of catching viruses constantly for many years, to the point where I now only have contact with people during the cold and flu season if I have to. Proboost helps but does not solve the problem for me. I have tried a lot of other immune stimulants over the years without much success. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hi Tom. Gee, that is discouraging. I have very little outside contact already, no matter the season. It takes me twice as long to do work (I work at home) because of spine/pain problems, so I don't have time or energy to go out. But...I **still** catch all the viruses that are around. People think I'm a hermit or curmudgeon, but who cares.... I had convinced myself they arrive in packages through FedEx and US Priority Mail. Lately I've been wondering if perhaps I've been trading viruses with my one remaining dog, too. Sigh. I guess there's no easy answer to this. > > Hi . > > I have had the problem of catching viruses constantly for many years, > to the point where I now only have contact with people during the cold > and flu season if I have to. Proboost helps but does not solve the > problem for me. I have tried a lot of other immune stimulants over the > years without much success. > > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hi . I'm sorry to be so discouraging, actually I intended more to let you know that you weren't alone. I don't think even most PWCs understand how physically and psychologically difficult this problem is to deal with. Another thing that helps me is glutathione. I used to be able to get IV glutathione and that helped me in a lot of ways. Many people can get all the glutathione they need from one of the undenatured whey proteins. This is a supplement that all PWCs should at least try. So I would recommend glutathione and Proboost. Other people have suggested treatments that work great for them, so try the ones that make sense to you but research them first because as you read this newsgroup you will come across many people who have harmed themselves with too much experimentation. Tom > > Hi Tom. Gee, that is discouraging. I have very little outside > contact already, no matter the season. It takes me twice as long to > do work (I work at home) because of spine/pain problems, so I don't > have time or energy to go out. But...I **still** catch all the > viruses that are around. People think I'm a hermit or curmudgeon, but > who cares.... I had convinced myself they arrive in packages through > FedEx and US Priority Mail. > > Lately I've been wondering if perhaps I've been trading viruses with > my one remaining dog, too. > > Sigh. I guess there's no easy answer to this. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Oh, I know, Tom. I understand what you meant. What I meant is that I was discouraged to learn that I wasn't the only one who gets sick all the time. This is not the kind of thing you really want " to share. " I get discouraged, too, to read about everyone who takes 14 pills in the morning, 32 pills in the afternoon or at dinner, and then another 10 or 12 at night. When does everyone have the time, energy, and mental capacity to do all this? I already spend at least double-time trying to earn income to keep myself afloat (sans health insurance, to boot). Given that we are all at least a little bit different, I don't see how people contend with any of this stuff. Just trying to survive, period, is hard enough. If I had to do all the figuring out and pill ordering and counting and then self-monitoring, besides what I already do, someone would find me face-down in my plate full of pills one day. I couldn't do it. How do you make a choice between the different types of " survival " ? > > > > Hi Tom. Gee, that is discouraging. I have very little outside > > contact already, no matter the season. It takes me twice as long > to > > do work (I work at home) because of spine/pain problems, so I don't > > have time or energy to go out. But...I **still** catch all the > > viruses that are around. People think I'm a hermit or curmudgeon, > but > > who cares.... I had convinced myself they arrive in packages > through > > FedEx and US Priority Mail. > > > > Lately I've been wondering if perhaps I've been trading viruses > with > > my one remaining dog, too. > > > > Sigh. I guess there's no easy answer to this. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 In a message dated 1/24/2006 4:33:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, yildiz22@... writes: Does it make any differance if it is in ascorbic acid form or in Calcium ascorbate? Thanks nil ----- Nil No, it's been my experience that both forms work. I use a higher dose. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Vitamin C 1 gram every half hour until symptoms are gone (three hours, maybe) then every time you feel like it. When you are ill you tolerate enourmous amounts. It also helps to stop the cold from starting if I do it right when I feel the first itch. But you still need to take care, stay warm etc. Try it and you never will do anything else. Tove ps Swallow whole-type are best, as you get really fed up with the taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Does it make any differance if it is in ascorbic acid form or in Calcium ascorbate? Thanks nil Re: winter colds and viruses > Vitamin C > 1 gram every half hour until symptoms are gone (three hours, maybe) > then every time you feel like it. When you are ill you tolerate > enourmous amounts. It also helps to stop the cold from starting if I > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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