Re: looking for a GLA supplement

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Hi

I think your getting confused EPO contains a high amount of GLA - this

would be my preference and there is alot clinical study behind it -

_http://www.equazen.com/default.aspx?pid=30_

(http://www.equazen.com/default.aspx?pid=30)

( do organic version )

Starflower contains twice the amount of GLA but i have a few concerns about

this oil.

Regards

CS

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Hi, Les.

According to Udo Erasmus's book (Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill,

1993), your best bet would be borage oil. It doesn't have any omega-

3. The percentages for borage oil are GLA--24%, LA--34%. Black

current has omega-3, and the corresponding numbers for EPO are 9 and

72.

Rich

>

> I am looking for a supplement that is primarily GLA, NOT primarily

LA

> (linoleic acid), since my body cannot convert the LA to GLA. EPO,

> borage, and black currant all seem to have LA in a MUCH greater

> quantity than the GLA.

> Is there a supplement that has only the GLA, or very little LA (and

no

> Omega 3)? I don't think it is unusual for some people to have this

> conversion problem, so I didn't know if anyone else on this list had

> encountered the same difficulty, and was able to find a supplment

with

> only GLA - Thanks! Les

>

[Guest guest]

I have benefitted borage oil. Best wishes

nil

looking for a GLA supplement

>I am looking for a supplement that is primarily GLA, NOT primarily LA

> (linoleic acid), since my body cannot convert the LA to GLA. EPO,

> borage, and black currant all seem to have LA in a MUCH greater

> quantity than the GLA.

>

[Guest guest]

CS - Thanks for the link. I know that EPO, borage, and black currant oil all

have GLA in them - but the amt of LA in them far exceeds the GLA, at least on

the products that I have researched (I think EPO contains the least amt of GLA

out of all 3, but I have concerns abt taking the other 2) so an EPO derived

product would be my preference also). I am trying to find a product with a low

amt of LA(if at all) and hi amt of GLA (so that the conversion from LA to GLA

has already been done in the supplement, and does not have to be done by the

body).

Thank you for the info on the organic EPO - looks really interesting! (I will

have to find out if they ship to the US). Les

Re: looking for a GLA supplement

Hi

I think your getting confused EPO contains a high amount of GLA - this

would be my preference and there is alot clinical study behind it -

_http://www.equazen.com/default.aspx?pid=30_

(http://www.equazen.com/default.aspx?pid=30)

( do organic version )

Starflower contains twice the amount of GLA but i have a few concerns about

this oil.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

I would concentrate on boosting glutathione first and then add oils.

Personally I have detoxed and I eat butter daily to build up AA.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

My late son's seizures were diminished with FISH OIL and VIRGIN COCONUT OIL,

flaxseed oil mixed into plain yoghurt helped too.

Hope this helps

In a message dated 1/13/2006 5:41:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lmas@...

writes:

Thanks, Rich - I am taking EPO - have been taking it for decades - guess I

will just have to increase the dose ( I read that EPO can increase seizure

acitivity, and I don't need more of that - but you make a good pt, that if the

LA is not being converted, then the EPO is not being used by the body for any

purpose.) I have a really bad time with inflammation, so was hesitant to take

more from that standpoint also. PS: I DO have Type diabetes, so

perhaps this is why that enzyme is suppressed.

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mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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In a message dated 1/13/2006 6:16:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

morabshadow@... writes:

Hi mjh,

Thanks for your suggestions. Very helpful as usual.

Sue T :^)

Sue T

Always glad to share. I spent 34 years dealing with this monster, which for

Charlie also included status epilepticus.

I found that Lobelia inflata tincture was more effective in stopping seizure

activity, by the way, than rectal diazepam.

He was thrice for years seizure free, by the way. So, it can happen.

Hope this helps

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

O.K., I think I have a better picture of your fatty acids situation

now.

The enzyme that is supposed to convert LA to GLA is delta-6-

desaturase. This same enzyme is involved in the first step of omega-

3 metabolism, the conversion of alpha linolenic acid to stearidonic

acid, but the enzyme has a higher activity for this reaction. Since

you reported that your omega-3 fatty acids look O.K., I take it that

you do have functioning delta-6-desaturase, but perhaps it is

inhibited by suppression of gene expression. (In diabetes, for

example, the expression of delta-6-desaturase is suppressed).

I think it would be O.K. for you to take evening primrose oil. The

excess LA from that should be burned up in the peroxisomes and not

cause problems. The reason various sources tell you that you should

not get too much omega-6 fatty acids is that it is metabolized

eventually to arachidonic acid, which can be converted to

prostaglandins that promote inflammation. However, this is not

yourproblem, because to get there, the LA must first be converted to

GLA, and that isn't happening fast enough in your body. So just

putting in LA should not be a problem, and in fact, you need to

encrourage more GLA, some of which will go to arachidonic acid, but

if your GLA is low, I would imagine that your arachidonic acid is

low, also, so you aren't near having a problem with that. I suggest

that you try some EPO.

Rich

>

> Yes, I had a fatty acid profile done by Metametrix. GLA's were

very low (less than 0.2; the low end of the range was 1), and my

LA's were measured also, and were low,but not terribly. The written

analysis suggested that I supply GLA in supplement form, since my

body was not converting the LA to GLA (GLA is the active metabolite,

along with DGLA, that is created from LA when the body converts LA.

But if LA cannot be converted, then no benefit is obtained from LA.

Please correct me if this is inaccurate)

> I have heard that taking too much Omega 6 is not very good for the

system (re: inflammation, and some other symptoms), so it would be

best not to have excess LA floating around, I would think. That's

why I was hoping to find a 'GLA-only' supplement. (interestingly,

my Omega 3's were OK, which is weird, because I do not take Omega 3

supplements, and I do not eat fish - Omega 3's make my hyper

symptoms worse. I thought there might be a connection between Omega

3's and acetylcholine, which I know makes these symptoms worse, but

am not sure of this connection)

> I have heard of " Lorenzo's oil kid " , but do not know the

specifics on this , or how it relates to this situation - would

Lorenzo's Oil somehow help here? Thank you!!! Les PS: Several

explanations of my abnnormal test results have stated that many

autistic people have the same abnormalities, so apparently my CFIDS

profile is supporting the theory that many PWC's are showing similar

profiles to autism profiles.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich, , and All,

I did not know that Evening Primrose oil cause seizure activity. Maybe tht is

why I have the flickery lights in my eyes during the day and at night. Lots of

firing in my brain. I must say that Gaba anight has been helping with the eye

and hed symptoms. Did I miss something with the posts on EPO

I have recently increased my EPO to 2600 mg a day(two 117mg of GLA) because

my GLA was on the the low side.

Any suggestions. Borage oil does not agree with me.

Thanks, Sue T

Masland <lmas@...> wrote:

Thanks, Rich - I am taking EPO - have been taking it for decades - guess I

will just have to increase the dose ( I read that EPO can increase seizure

acitivity, and I don't need more of that - but you make a good pt, that if the

LA is not being converted, then the EPO is not being used by the body for any

purpose.) I have a really bad time with inflammation, so was hesitant to take

more from that standpoint also.

[Guest guest]

Hi mjh,

Thanks for your suggestions. Very helpful as usual.

Sue T :^)

foxhillers@... wrote:

My late son's seizures were diminished with FISH OIL and VIRGIN COCONUT OIL,

flaxseed oil mixed into plain yoghurt helped too.

Hope this helps

In a message dated 1/13/2006 5:41:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lmas@...

writes:

Thanks, Rich - I am taking EPO - have been taking it for decades - guess I

will just have to increase the dose ( I read that EPO can increase seizure

acitivity, and I don't need more of that - but you make a good pt, that if the

LA is not being converted, then the EPO is not being used by the body for any

purpose.) I have a really bad time with inflammation, so was hesitant to take

more from that standpoint also. PS: I DO have Type diabetes, so

perhaps this is why that enzyme is suppressed.

----- Original Message -----

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

I thought it was borage that had possibility of initiating seizures.

Still,I used borage for quite a long term and I was happy with it.

what about hemp oil?

I think it might be good idea to rotate these.

thanks..

nil

Re: Re: looking for a GLA supplement

> Hi Rich, , and All,

>

> I did not know that Evening Primrose oil cause seizure activity. Maybe

> tht is why I have the flickery lights in my eyes during the day and at

> night. Lots of firing in my brain. I must say that Gaba anight has been

> helping with the eye and hed symptoms. Did I miss something with the posts

> on EPO

>

> I have recently increased my EPO to 2600 mg a day(two 117mg of GLA)

> because my GLA was on the the low side.

>

> Any suggestions. Borage oil does not agree with me.

>

> Thanks, Sue T

>

[Guest guest]

Mjh - thank you for the suggestions - those substances are healthy from several

aspects - Les

Re: Re: looking for a GLA supplement

My late son's seizures were diminished with FISH OIL and VIRGIN COCONUT OIL,

flaxseed oil mixed into plain yoghurt helped too.

Hope this helps

In a message dated 1/13/2006 5:41:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lmas@...

writes:

Thanks, Rich - I am taking EPO - have been taking it for decades - guess I

will just have to increase the dose ( I read that EPO can increase seizure

acitivity, and I don't need more of that - but you make a good pt, that if

the

LA is not being converted, then the EPO is not being used by the body for any

purpose.) I have a really bad time with inflammation, so was hesitant to take

more from that standpoint also. PS: I DO have Type diabetes, so

perhaps this is why that enzyme is suppressed.

----- Original Message -----

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/