Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi Bob, If I stop more than one supplement at once,my body can not handle this. My body is not so adaptive to changes, That might be the case for you,too.So,it is better to stop one at a time. I am thinking that If you were intolerant of mag stearate you most probably would have noticed this by now. Any supplement that contains mag stearate gives me terrible brain fog. Just can not take it. So,you might not be in need of hurry. best wishes p.s. planning to write you more later on mcs. At this point I am unable to write more. nil Mag. Stearate > The only thing I found so far which was negative aoutMag Stearate was > that it can bind the ingredients so tightly in supplements that they > pass through the body unabsorbed. Could that cause more MCS? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Bob, I thought it was increasing my MCS because I was more and more not being able to tolerate supplements and other medication.I am not now sure if this means my MCS was increasing.After reading your question I tried to make some search at web on how mag stearate was produced but could not deduct any results due to my low brain power. is it synthetic? is it only from animal source? Is it hydrogenated? At this point I am not sure what the real problem is. best wishes nil Mag. Stearate > The only thing I found so far which was negative aoutMag Stearate was > that it can bind the ingredients so tightly in supplements that they > pass through the body unabsorbed. Could that cause more MCS? > > I did not take the supplements this morning which contained mag > stearate and will continue to see if there is a difference. > > Bob > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi Nil, Kirkman labs at www.kirkmanlabs.com uses a magnesuim stearate derived from the palm plant which should be OK. I am purchasing most of my supplements from them now since there products seem the purest to me and their focus is Autism/CFS. Best wishes, Sue yildiz <yildiz22@...> wrote: Bob, I thought it was increasing my MCS because I was more and more not being able to tolerate supplements and other medication.I am not now sure if this means my MCS was increasing.After reading your question I tried to make some search at web on how mag stearate was produced but could not deduct any results due to my low brain power. is it synthetic? is it only from animal source? Is it hydrogenated? At this point I am not sure what the real problem is. best wishes nil Mag. Stearate > The only thing I found so far which was negative aoutMag Stearate was > that it can bind the ingredients so tightly in supplements that they > pass through the body unabsorbed. Could that cause more MCS? > > I did not take the supplements this morning which contained mag > stearate and will continue to see if there is a difference. > > Bob > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Thanks Sue,will check that. also found labs pure encapsulations da vinci laboratories solgar. professional health products any others? thanks nil Re: Mag. Stearate > Hi Nil, > > Kirkman labs at www.kirkmanlabs.com uses a magnesuim stearate derived > from the palm plant which should be OK. I am purchasing most of my > supplements from them now since there products seem the purest to me and > their focus is Autism/CFS. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 hi nil most of NEEDS 'pro' lines seem good - may have to ck individual supps Attogram, Klaire Labs, ( Labs), Metagenics, NESS/Enzymes, Inc., Perque, (Pure Encapsulations [think http://organicpharmacy.org/ also stocks]), and Thorne Research. also http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/ [pharmax] jarrow formulas allergy research group AMNI Eclectic Institute www.eclectic-herb.com/ www.iherb.com/eclectic.html haven't looked at closely - http://www.vrp.com/ Lance > > Thanks Sue,will check that. > also found > labs > pure encapsulations > da vinci laboratories > solgar. > professional health products > any others? > thanks > nil > Re: Mag. Stearate > > > > Hi Nil, > > > > Kirkman labs at www.kirkmanlabs.com uses a magnesuim stearate derived > > from the palm plant which should be OK. I am purchasing most of my > > supplements from them now since there products seem the purest to me and > > their focus is Autism/CFS. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 > > Bob, is it synthetic? is it only from animal > source? Is it hydrogenated? At this point I am not sure what the real problem is. > best wishes > nil I happen to ask my chiropractor about magnesium stearate and he said it is toxic. He said it is beef fat and the processed used makes it toxic. He knows a lot about vitamins. I quit taking supplements for awhile to see how I felt. I recently started back and have not felt as good. My vitamin C has it and I have been taking 8,000mg a day. Even my digestive enzymns has it. I am glad you brought this up. My MCS seemed to get worse earlier this year and I was taking a lot of supplements and most have the MS. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Bob Hi If you are at all sensitive or have MCS or are low in essential fatty acids magnesium stearate is really bad for you. I cannot use any supplements with magnesium stearate in it at all. Luckily there are companies that do not use magnesium stearate at all: Thorne Research Premier Research in Texas Klaire/Vital Life Pure Encapsulations Metabolic Maintenance I think there are two studies showing that magnesium stearate can negatively affect the immune system. So I just buy my supplements from these 5 companies. Bob <blue74730@...> wrote: > > Bob, is it synthetic? is it only from animal > source? Is it hydrogenated? At this point I am not sure what the real problem is. > best wishes > nil I happen to ask my chiropractor about magnesium stearate and he said it is toxic. He said it is beef fat and the processed used makes it toxic. He knows a lot about vitamins. I quit taking supplements for awhile to see how I felt. I recently started back and have not felt as good. My vitamin C has it and I have been taking 8,000mg a day. Even my digestive enzymns has it. I am glad you brought this up. My MCS seemed to get worse earlier this year and I was taking a lot of supplements and most have the MS. Bob This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Sorry I forgot to add one company that sells herbs Eclectric Institute in Washington does not use magnesium stearate. Fisher <tuberoseshiloh@...> wrote: Bob Hi If you are at all sensitive or have MCS or are low in essential fatty acids magnesium stearate is really bad for you. I cannot use any supplements with magnesium stearate in it at all. Luckily there are companies that do not use magnesium stearate at all: Thorne Research Premier Research in Texas Klaire/Vital Life Pure Encapsulations Metabolic Maintenance I think there are two studies showing that magnesium stearate can negatively affect the immune system. So I just buy my supplements from these 5 companies. Bob wrote: > > Bob, is it synthetic? is it only from animal > source? Is it hydrogenated? At this point I am not sure what the real problem is. > best wishes > nil I happen to ask my chiropractor about magnesium stearate and he said it is toxic. He said it is beef fat and the processed used makes it toxic. He knows a lot about vitamins. I quit taking supplements for awhile to see how I felt. I recently started back and have not felt as good. My vitamin C has it and I have been taking 8,000mg a day. Even my digestive enzymns has it. I am glad you brought this up. My MCS seemed to get worse earlier this year and I was taking a lot of supplements and most have the MS. Bob This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 > > Bob > > Hi If you are at all sensitive or have MCS or are low in essential fatty acids magnesium stearate is really bad for you. This has been a great thread for me. Thanks Nil (It was you?). I have sensitivities, MCS and low on EFA's. I have heard people say before that they got off all of their supplements and actually felt better. Maybe this is why. I just emailed NEEDS, as I buy from them, and told them about the MS and do they stock a brand which does not use this filler. That is easier than checking each brand on their web site. The vir/supplements you mentioned, is that also a web site? I forgot and I cannot see it. Someone listed Solaray has not having MS. Maybe some but I have some Solaray Kudzu and it has MS. If I understand the situation with mag. Stearate it not only is toxic but it is hard to digest and cuts way down on what we can absorb of the supplement so it hurts us in many ways. I can see why tablets use it but I have a couple of capsules which use it for filler? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 In a message dated 1/3/2006 3:09:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, morabshadow@... writes: Kirkman labs at www.kirkmanlabs.com uses a magnesuim stearate derived from the palm plant which should be OK. I am purchasing most of my supplements from them now since there products seem the purest to me and their focus is Autism/CFS. Magnesium Stearate is poorly ionized and has absorption amongst other problems. We prefer preservative free Magnesium sulphate. We are exploring mag nesium taurate in the complex Hepapressin injection. Joy Research Assistant to Dr Enlander _www.enlander.com_ (http://www.enlander.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Bob, I am using Calcium ascorbate crystals in powder form as vit C source. this solved my vit c problem at this point.Cost is also a lot lower.I also do better on ascorbate form than ascorbic acid.(that may be individual,needs to be checked) Trying to replace my magnesium,too.. Probably by magnesium chloride solution. nil Re: Mag. Stearate > >> >> Bob, > is it synthetic? is it only from animal >> source? Is it hydrogenated? At this point I am not sure what the > real problem is. >> best wishes >> nil > > I happen to ask my chiropractor about magnesium stearate and he said it > is toxic. He said it is beef fat and the processed used makes it toxic. > He knows a lot about vitamins. I quit taking supplements for awhile to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi Low in essential fatty acids? Could you please explain more? Hi Bob, It was not Solaray but Solgar.Solgar is using vegetable source Ms. Thanks p.s. my answers may be late. nil Re: Mag. Stearate > >> >> Bob >> >> Hi If you are at all sensitive or have MCS or are low in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 In addition to other possible negatives, I wonder if mag stearate in such low doses but over a long period could have any effect on weight gain and/or bloating. For those of us taking multitudes of supplements that contain it, could we add this to its growing list of negatives on mag stearate? The Thorne " Quality Control " article previously posted seems to hone in on this issue the best, but, one must realize that this has been Thorne's marketing angle since they started in 1984. Better to find the actual unbiased studies done independent of any manufacturer. Here are some additional links with regard to mag stearate. Of particular interest is the first link in which I've excerpted the following: Conclusion The concentration of magnesium stearate and time of lubrication of mixtures with magnesium stearate can affect the content uniformity of active ingredient in mixtures that are based on particle interactions, as determined in model mixtures of lactose and micronized aspirin in this study. By comparison, this effect was significantly smaller in mixtures of noninteracting components. Translated into practical terms, the effect of magnesium stearate on the content uniformity of active ingredient in coarse powder mixtures such as granules for encapsulation or compaction into tablets, is not likely to be as significant as that in ordered mixtures containing low-dose active ingredient and diluent. In the latter, lubrication time can have a significant effect on the content uniformity of active ingredient. The extent of the impact of lubrication time depends on the composition of the mixture and on the concentration of magnesium stearate in the mixture. _http://www.aapspharmscitech.org/view.asp?art=pt030319 & pdf=yes_ (http://www.aapspharmscitech.org/view.asp?art=pt030319 & pdf=yes) _http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uid s=10053207 & dopt=Abstract_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=\ 10053207 & dopt=Abstract) These studies seem to suggest that its effect of binding or slowing the efficacy of the active ingredients depend on how much is added to the supplement in the first place. Further studies need to verify this. Something confusing that I haven't been able to resolve is whether its source is vegetable or animal derived? I've seen definitions showing both which doesn't make sense. I am going to make inquiries to all the supplement mfg's that I buy from who use it in their products and see what they have to say. I will let all know when and if I get a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi Bob I will answer you in a day or two. I gave the research I had regarding the adverse effects of magnesium stearate to Dr. Cheney and he read it and so that I get the information correct I will listen to the tape of our conversation again and then write you and tell you what he said Chris. yildiz <yildiz22@...> wrote: Hi Low in essential fatty acids? Could you please explain more? Hi Bob, It was not Solaray but Solgar.Solgar is using vegetable source Ms. Thanks p.s. my answers may be late. nil Re: Mag. Stearate > >> >> Bob >> >> Hi If you are at all sensitive or have MCS or are low in This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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