Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Here is an extract from my blog (www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com <http://www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com/> ) and below that some good links. --Kurt Executive Summary of Salt/C For those who just want a quick overview of how the Salt/C protocol works, here is an 'Executive Summary,' as it is being used in the LymeStrategies group. This is simply a summary of what is working for many people who are using Salt/C. I am not a medical professional so therefore this is intended as a report and not advice for any health problem. Salt/C is as simple as it sounds, taking the right salt with a good quality vitamin C product. The basic protocol is as follows. People usually begin with 1g per day of salt and 1g per day of vitamin C, and then gradually ramp up (increase the dose) over a period of weeks or even months to around 8-12g per day of each taken throughout the day. The rule of thumb for maximum target dose is 1g for every 15 lbs (6.75 kilos) of bodyweight. The rule of thumb for how fast to ramp up is to GO SLOWLY. Unlike 'quick fix' treatments we have all been conditioned to expect in medicine, this is a gentle and gradual, but very powerful treatment. Regaining your health through Salt/C is no race; everyone improves at their own rate. The best salts for Salt/C are the " CMC " brand salt tablets featured on www.LymePhotos.com <http://www.lymephotos.com/> , also <http://www.krystalwebmatrix.com/> www.krystalwebmatrix.com (Hunza or Himalayan), or www.realsalt.com <http://www.realsalt.com/> . Some people use Celtic sea salt and a few other unprocessed natural salts. The Krystal Salt is probably considered the most powerful and effective, and has a nearly perfect mineral balance. People using the CMC salt usually add a liquid mineral supplement as the CMC tablets are a pure NaCl formulation (pharmaceutical grade), and extra minerals are needed to offset the high sodium levels. Most people using Salt/C do not even CONSIDER using Table salt. Not only will that not work right, but 12g per day could be harmful due to the additives it contains. There is no agreed-upon best vitamin C product. Some people do better with natural preparations of vitamin C, others do better when bioflavinoids are included (slower release, such as Ester-C). But most people are able to use a standard vitamin C product successfully. The period of time in which people ramp up to full dose is dependent on how well they feel as they take the salt. When they feel very poorly at a dose, usually they stay at that dose until they feel better again, and then increase the dose again. Or they may lower your dose until they feel better, then try increasing the dose again later. Some people can ramp-up to their full dose within 1-2 weeks, adding 1g per day, some add only 1g per week, and some people take many months to get to higher doses. Most people will feel a little better the first few days, but then gradually feel worse. This is defined as a 'die-off' reaction from killing pathogenic bacteria and other bugs, or a 'Herxheimer' effect ('herx' for short). For some people the herx involves exacerbation of symptoms they have had before. For others it involves completely new symptoms, often neurological in nature. The herx symptoms also tend to 'flare-up' every 3-5 weeks during Salt/C. The people who have succeeded in full remission of Lyme Disease have remained on the full protocol for at least 9 months, and up to 2 years. Some have chosen to remain at full dose after reaching " symptom-free " from Lyme, others have reduced to just a low " maintenance dose " (average 3 grams/day) and remained symptom-free. Most people using Salt/C are also using other natural treatments as adjunct. This is usually customized to the needs of the individual, and often the adjuncts are designed to help manage the herx symptoms. Some common areas for adjuncts include detoxification enhancement (gentle liver cleansing), metal binding (Chlorella, Spirulina, etc.), immune enhancement, anti-candida supplementation (Candex or Candidase, or others), glutathione boosting (whey proteins, Recancostat), adrenal support, heart support (cayenne or combination heart supplements), and natural antibiotics (colloid silver, oregano oil, olive leaf extract, etc.) . Some people are using Salt/C in combination with perscription medications, and in some cases Salt/C appears to enhance the effects of the medication. Review of several Salt-based Protocols This is my quick review of the current salt-related protocols for treating Lyme Disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and Fibromyalgia. Rumor has it that a number of physicians are conducting small-scale clinical trials of some variations on these. Will be interesting to see how that turns out. Each of these includes the basic combination of Salt and Vitamin C. There are various theories about why this works, but for the most part this is a synergistic 'discovery.' If you are interested in using Salt/C, I recommend reviewing most or all of these sites. One important warning though, I believe that there is one major omission in all of these, and that is that they lack any special kidney support or consideration for kidney health. While there is some controversy about this, my own experience has been that the kidneys need to rest from the higher Salt levels now and then. So I take one or two days a week off the protocol, and also take a full week off if my kidneys start to ache. However, some people seem to have little or no kidney distress from Salt/C. So caution is indicated, but hope for the best. Some people are recovering from these protocols alone, and some are improving a lot by combining Salt/C with other treatments. However, nobody claims that Salt/C is a cure for any of the conditions being treated. Most of the protocols, with the exception of Klinghardt, include indefinite use of the Salt/C. Original Salt/C protocol (Lyme-focused protocol by anonymous recovered persons, posted in 1999, their story has been validated) - http://www.lymephotos.com. This is probably the site that 'started it all.' The careful experimentation and following a hunch payed off in a major way. The people who discovered this protocol are continuing at full dose, and staying well now for 6+ years. Enhanced Salt/C protocol (more comprehensive, includes immune-boosting, detox, Rife, etc., by Marc Fett, recovered from Lyme Disease) - http://www.fettnet.com/lymestrategies/ . Marc is now using a reduced level of Salt/C and is continuing to stay well. Many other people are experiencing success from this protocol. Marc adds a lot of extras to Salt/C including supernutrients, multimineral supplements, immune boosting, etc. Enhanced Salt/C group (Discusses Marc Fett protocol, Marc moderates) - lymestrategies/. This group is reporting great success with Salt/C. This is a support-oriented group, and people working through the herx response are able to get useful feedback from others who are ahead of them on the protocol. Most of the people in this group have purchased Marc Fett's 'e-book' about his Enhanced Salt/C protocol. The group also discusses the original Salt/C protocol and other related topics. Recup, a Sodium/Potassium/Calcium/Magnesium blend (Alfred Blasi protocol, recovered from severe FM/CFS) http://www.alfredblasi.net/eng/experiencia/ingles.HTM. This is the web site containing Alfred's story of recovery from a nightmarish Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue condition. There are links on this page to the manufacturer of the mineral supplement Alfred invented. Alfred's patent rights were donated to ongoing research into the use of his protocol. The manufacturer is in Spain. Recup group (Discusses Blasi, FM/CFS, Alfred participates from time to time) AlfredblasiprotocolFMSCFS/ . This is a group dedicated to discussion of the Blasi protocol. This is a support group of sorts, and people get help working through issues related to using Recup for FM/CFS. Dr. Klinghardt Protocol (Uses Salt/C as a 3 month parasite cleanse adjunct, Lyme-focused) http://www.neuraltherapy.com/word/Lyme1204.doc . This is a doctor-recommended protocol with many improvements reported, my own MD recommends this protocol. Incidentally, Klinghardt also has a neurotoxin cleanse protocol, and heavy metal recommends. See: http://www.neuraltherapy.com/articlesProtocols.asp Experimental Salt/C discussion group (Discusses Salt/C for all conditions) salt-n-c/ This group discusses Salt/C treatments in general, mostly for CFS/ME type conditions. This is a new group (May 2005). Co-Cure Salt Page (Discusses natural salt) http://www.curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp Although not a protocol, this page is a wonderful explanation of why we need, and are deficient in, the minerals contained in natural salts. If you are considering using ANY salt protocl, I highly recommend reading this page. Re: NioLab RBC Glutathione Test, was SAMe and TMG, was Re: coping with isolation Is there anyone on the list who can direct me to a full explanation of how to do the Salt/c? I know that it was discussed earlier on the list, and I apologize for bringing it up again, but I cannot find the earlier discussions. Re: NioLab RBC Glutathione Test, was SAMe > and TMG, was Re: coping with isolation > > Thanks so much Rich, and I'm sorry I probably made you repeat yourself. > I'll check if that's the test Dr Myhill's recommending. > > I take it if my levels are low, your advice would be to embark on > the previously described route: RenewPro, NAC, or the three amino > acids separately (do you have recommended daily doses on the web > somewhere?) and Sparx and fish oil added if I can? Are the last two > very important in your view? Just that I am going through a lot of > gut problems, very possibly due to parasites or post-parasite gut > mess and have been for a year, and am trying to rule out any possible > additional causes - so I have to check possible sugar/starch content > in everything. Or is it really not even worth trying to increase > glutathione levels if my symptoms (cramps, some constipation) > continue? Although at least glutamine might help both... > > The problem is I've been trying to cure my gut problems for 12 > months, with no success. Wondering if I can do anything in the > meantime if glutathione is low or if it's not something available to > me as a possible help yet? > > Also, any contraindications or things to be careful about in > combination with any of the above? > > Thanks! > Honey > > On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, rvankonynen wrote: > >> Hi, Honey. >> >> The test I am referring to is the BioLab Medical Unit's red blood >> cell test for glutathione, as described at this website: >> >> http://www.biolab.co.uk/docs/glutrbc.pdf >> >> You are probably thinking of the Spectracell test. I do favor that >> one, but I don't think it is available in the U.K. It also is more >> expensive, I think. I like it because it looks at the glutathione >> status in certain white blood cells (lymphocytes) which are part of >> the immune system, and CFS is known to affect the immune system. >> Also, I heard from Dr. Carol Ann Ryser of Kansas City that she uses >> it quite a lot, and it correlates well with the health status of her >> patients. But I think that the red blood cell test will show it if >> a person is low in glutathione, and I think it's a worthwhile test. >> >> Rich >> >> >>> >>>> Hi, Honey. >>>> >>>> If you're seeing Dr. Myhill, I would say that you are in good >>>> hands. I've shared my views about glutathione with her. I'm not >>>> sure she totally agrees with my thinking, but I do think she >> agrees >>>> that glutathione is important. I know that the BioLab Medical >> Unit >>>> in London offers a glutathione test. You could certainly ask her >>>> about it. >>>> >>>> Rich >> >> >> >> >> >> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with > each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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