Syntol Vs Soil-Based Organisms

[Guest guest]

Search function is screwy at the moment, so I don't know if this has

been discussed. Though I did previously find a discussion on here

about Soil-Based Organism, but didn't see mention of possible harm

they can do.

Syntol was mentioned on an online health store as an alternative,

stating 'does not contain harmful soil-based organisms'. (info on

syntol here: http://www.swnutra.com/syntol )

But Syntol is described as a " spore germinating probiotic " , and would

like to why that is meant to be safe in comparison. If you read below,

the germination of sbo's is mentioned as one main reason they're

unsafe:

" To summarize the research briefly, soil organisms (SO) are spore

formers, so they make make good competitors for yeast, fungus and

other pathogens. This is why so many people taking soil organisms will

initially experience very favorable results. However these spores are

are extremely difficult to kill, surviving sterilants, disinfectants,

acceleration forces, heat, pressure, radiation and many antibiotics.

Strong antibiotics -- like Vancomycin -- can suppress certain spores.

Spores are so persistent in the intestines that another round of

germination may occur after the the drug is stopped.

Soil organisms can also adapt loose genetic material and

incorporate it into their cellular structure - the ramifications of

which are yet unknown. Various soil organisms can also produce harmful

peptides, affecting hemoglobin in the blood. It's important to keep in

mind that virtually all antibiotic drugs were were initially developed

from soil organisms and as antibiotics become more potent, they cause

more damage to the host, not just in the immediate gut environment,

but systematically as well. "

from here - http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=460 & i=1031

[Guest guest]

That crossed my mind of course, but the research sounds quite solid

and I wouldn't personally dismiss it out of concern about bias. I

wouldn't think they would need to discredit SBO's to succeed, and I

would give this little weight if their arguments didn't sound

convincing and well-researched. This woman who heads the company

really does sound like a legitimate expert. I know sometimes it can

look like a conflict of interest when a company puts down other

products, but sometimes their company is founded because they have

such an interest in creating the best product possible. Eg all the

natural cosmetics companies that try to reveal what is dangerous about

chemical cosmetic ingredients... they started in the first place

because they wanted to create something better.

>

> After reading the posting of the info on how bad the SBO are for us,

> I am just wondering about the info received being unbiased.

> Because the person quoted as giving the info was one of the people

from the

> Natren Company marketing their Very expensive probiotics.

> I took a lot of theirs for many years & it was not as effective as

the SBO

> I am currently taking.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Every time I've taken Threelac, I've felt only improvement, but the

stuff is so damn expensive and they never allow for sales.

Greed is the name of the game for those internet-only products,

but like I say, it's always been more effective than other products

for me.

I tried Primal Defense and just felt worse and worse -- I think

mainly because it contains so many " extra " ingredients which I

could perhaps be allergic or sensitive too. By the way, Primal

Defense was rated very poorly by Consumer Reports.

That said, one must consider the source of the negative " reports "

on SBO's (or HSO's). As someone posted on the curezone

page:

" Garden of life would have us believe that they (soil-based

organisms) are a cure-all. Natren would have us believe that

they are dangerous. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in

between. "

dan

> > > Well I have been taking some of Natures Biotics a

advanced SBO

> > formula. it

> > > has really been helping my stomach. But I am worried

about taking it

> > now after

> > > reading this posting. I was taking a lot of very expensive

> > probiotics, like

> > > Trenev Trio probiotics & a lot of different kinds.

> > > Has anyone had any problems after taking the SBO's after

a while?

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

I've just written to the company promoting Syntol as not containing

'harmful soil-based organisms' to ask what the difference is if that's

also a spore-germinating product. I'll post if they reply.

It's the stuff about the hemoglobin that sounds worrying to me, and

sounds like fairly concrete evidence. There's definitely room to be

suspicious of 'who knows what they do in the long-term' type

sentiments from rival companies, but sounds like there's something to

back it up.

I am interested in the possible benefits, especially the strains these

products contain that are meant to be antiviral. Hopefully Syntol will

turn out to be a safer alternative.

> Hi ,

>

> Every time I've taken Threelac, I've felt only improvement, but the

> stuff is so damn expensive and they never allow for sales.

> Greed is the name of the game for those internet-only products,

> but like I say, it's always been more effective than other products

> for me.

>

> I tried Primal Defense and just felt worse and worse -- I think

> mainly because it contains so many " extra " ingredients which I

> could perhaps be allergic or sensitive too. By the way, Primal

> Defense was rated very poorly by Consumer Reports.

>

> That said, one must consider the source of the negative " reports "

> on SBO's (or HSO's). As someone posted on the curezone

> page:

>

> " Garden of life would have us believe that they (soil-based

> organisms) are a cure-all. Natren would have us believe that

> they are dangerous. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in

> between. "

>

> dan

>

[Guest guest]

Well, this is helpful information.

I have been using the Natren Trenev Trio Probiotics for many years & it

is enormously expensive & has not helped that much.

I know they can spout a lot of logical sounding research but anything can

be made to spin a certain direction. I think I am going to stay on Natures

Biotics because it is working for me.

[Guest guest]

> Is there a way to see the attached copy for the report?

> " I have also attached a copy of the Garden of Life's Science

> teams' response to the Soil Organism safety issue. "

Email GOL for the attachment or me directly.

Al