Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 I believe it denatures or damages the protein in foods. Helen > could someone do me a huge favor and explain why microwaved food is bad > according to Dr Cheney. > > i don't have the energy to read this article on his talk in Dallas > right now, but am very interested to hear how microwaving contributes > to the ICM that he was talking about. > > thanks > bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 I haven't read the paper yet either, but I have read that cooking with a microwave can change the protein structure of a food -- change the amino acid structure, thus causing " calming " amino acids to become " stimulating " ones -- the last thing we need. Some say it's okay, or at least safer to gently reheat some things in a microwave, but that is controversial as well. Others claim that microwaving changes the crystal structure of even water. And some folks don't even call them microwaves, they call them radiation ovens! I personally haven't used mine except once or twice in the last two years. It's a hassle to cook everything the slower, old fashioned way, but I personally believe it's the healthier way to go. d. > could someone do me a huge favor and explain why microwaved food is bad > according to Dr Cheney. > > i don't have the energy to read this article on his talk in Dallas > right now, but am very interested to hear how microwaving contributes > to the ICM that he was talking about. > > thanks > bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 No wonder people think PWCs are nuts, if we think microwave cooking has anything to do with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Hundreds of millions of people eat microwaved cooked, and/or heated, food every day and they show no signs of CFS. We do have to keep in mind that CFS disease dates back at least 1,000 years, as evidenced by the outbreak in Iceland ca 1,100 AD, and with even reports of CFS symptoms in the ancient Roman empire, 2,000 years ago. One old name for the disease is Iceland Disease, which I wish had been retained. And in early America, CFS was called " The Vapours " , and " Soldier's Heart " and about 50 other names. During this time, and certainly during the old Viking and Roman days, no one had microwave ovens or mercury amalgam tooth fillings.. Except for perhaps some WWI soldiers.. I think Soldier's Heart was used for PWCs during World War One, and some of these men may have had mercury fillings.. I don't know when those fillings started. Maybe about 1890? Somewhere in CFS land, there is an essay entitled " The Disease of a Thousand Names " . I've misplaced my copy, so would appreciate someone re-posting it. We need to have a good CFS historian, who can research all the old outbreaks and names. One common theme to me seems to be that CFS hits people during a period of high physical and mental stress, along with very low hours of sleep during this period, which needs to be for at least one year to lower the immune system sufficiently for the CFS virus to stage a successful invasion. And after the virus hits, the immune system then goes into a full-bore uncontrolled activity level and does all the damage to our multiple systems. I'm sure those old Viking warriors were being pushed beyond the limits of human endurance, on very little sleep, so they dropped like flies to the CFS virus. So as you can tell, I believe in a unique CFS virus, as discovered by Elaine deFreitas, PhD, per Osler's Web.. I think this contagious virus is short-lived in its victims - it is killed off by the super-fired up immune system, which is what really does the damage. Dr. deFreitas, due to NIH not following her instructions on how to culture the virus to successfully duplicate her work, was blackballed by the scientific world, with NIH and CDC help. But the Wistar Institute, where she worked, part of the University of PA, did get a world patent on her methods. Dr. Cheney was working with Dr. deFreitas on isolating the CFS virus in the mid-80s, but after a long battle, saw the futility of fighting the govt coverup of their research, and established his practice, limited to CFS victims. Dr. Cheney seemed to realize that fighting this virus would not be effective, since it was short-lived and the immune system itself continued to wreck our bodies after the virus was gone. But continued research may have prevented new cases, if all the invasive factors were better defined. They continue to be like folklore. But not for me. I am not sure of the fate of Dr. deFreitas - close to the end of the blackball battle, she was injured in a car accident and then taught high school in Florida. I hope she is alive and well today, and enjoying life. Indeed a brilliant and hard-fighting scientist for what she knew was right. Someday, perhaps 100 years from now, her truth about CFS will be proven, a vaccine developed and a major medical university named for her. Like lind lin, whose work with and Crick was critical in the discovery of the DNA molecule structure, but she was omitted from their first publication of this major achievement. She could have been included in their Nobel Prize, but by the time it was awarded, she was dead from cancer at about age 39. Nobels are not awarded to the dead. However, two years ago, the Chicago College of Medicine changed its name to the lind lin College of Medicine, in her honor. This is an old and honored private medical school and some very influential alums must have pushed for this. I don't know the entire story, but may find out more, as my nephew is a student there.. I hope that Dr. Elaine deFreitas may be so awarded some day.. But it is the good old boys who dish out the honors, and very few female scientists are given their due credit. Marie Curie is the exception that proves the rule. She may have had to die to get it - she died of radiation poisoning from her exposure to Radium, which she discovered. Years of shoveling radium-filled dirt and extracting the new element did her in. But the dangers were unknown at that time. Onward and upward, and keep microwaving.. Your microwave does not produce any ionizing radiation - it is just simply makes high frequency radio energy, at about 2,000 megahertz, to vibrate water molecules and heat up the food. About the same frequency as a cell phone. And the water is unchanged. There sure are not any radioactive elements in a microwave oven, such as uranium.. Microwave ovens are well-shielded to keep the radio energy from leaking out and heating up your brain, but if you are worried about this, stay about 3 ft from them while they are running. The radio energy at that distance will then be about the same as the sun produces to permeate all areas of your house. And if we are worried about that, we better get back into the caves, or at least install well-grounded copper roofs on all our houses.. Those darn asphalt shingles let all kinds of radio signals into our houses, including local AM, FM and TV station energy.. Also comes in thru the walls, so we better copper shield our entire house exterior.. But then there is our entire house electrical wiring, emitting a strong 60-cycle electromagnetic field. Some electronic audio nuts, who cannot stand the least bit of 60 cycle interference hum in their $20,000 stereo systems, have all the present house wiring ripped out and replaced with shielded wiring, which is a very expensive job. As a biomedical engineer and audio enthusiast, I've been fighting power wiring 60 HZ interference all my life. It is especially troublesome to biopotential measurements, such as EKG and EEG.. And then there are those darn touch-operated table lamps, which have a strong radio oscillator running in them all the time, on or off. Unplug them all and you will find that your AM radio is once again buzz-free.. And your thinking may be clearer...just kidding.. Your electronic ghost and fable buster, Mort Caldwell Electrical and Biomedical Engineer And an old radio broadcast station transmitter engineer No, that is not why I have CFS - last did that in 1965. CFS since 1994.. Re: microwave/cheney > I haven't read the paper yet either, but I have read that cooking > with a microwave can change the protein structure of a food -- > change the amino acid structure, thus causing " calming " amino > acids to become " stimulating " ones -- the last thing we need. > > Some say it's okay, or at least safer to gently reheat some things > in a microwave, but that is controversial as well. Others claim > that microwaving changes the crystal structure of even water. > > And some folks don't even call them microwaves, they call them > radiation ovens! I personally haven't used mine except once or > twice in the last two years. It's a hassle to cook everything the > slower, old fashioned way, but I personally believe it's the > healthier way to go. > > d. > > > > could someone do me a huge favor and explain why > microwaved food is bad > > according to Dr Cheney. > > > > i don't have the energy to read this article on his talk in Dallas > > right now, but am very interested to hear how microwaving > contributes > > to the ICM that he was talking about. > > > > thanks > > bill > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Nah, Mort. It's not the machine, its the food, basically. (Although someone did slip a bit in about the technology itself.) The tech side is not Cheney's concern, it is the state of the food. And no, eating microwaved food could not have been THE cause of out disease, it might help a bit to avoid such food. Besides it makes us hopeful; a simple thing to do for ourselves. Like a lot of what many of us do; simple safe things. And I still eat rubberized chicken when I am not well enough to do better. (I only gag a little,lol.) For me it is less evil than snacking. Adrienne Re: microwave/cheney > I haven't read the paper yet either, but I have read that cooking > with a microwave can change the protein structure of a food -- > change the amino acid structure, thus causing " calming " amino > acids to become " stimulating " ones -- the last thing we need. > > Some say it's okay, or at least safer to gently reheat some things > in a microwave, but that is controversial as well. Others claim > that microwaving changes the crystal structure of even water. > > And some folks don't even call them microwaves, they call them > radiation ovens! I personally haven't used mine except once or > twice in the last two years. It's a hassle to cook everything the > slower, old fashioned way, but I personally believe it's the > healthier way to go. > > d. > > > > could someone do me a huge favor and explain why > microwaved food is bad > > according to Dr Cheney. > > > > i don't have the energy to read this article on his talk in Dallas > > right now, but am very interested to hear how microwaving > contributes > > to the ICM that he was talking about. > > > > thanks > > bill > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 When I first got sick with CFIDS, I began to notice that microwaved food made me feel very nauseous, and often gave me migraines. I rarely ate it anyway, but I was working in an office with a microwave so I had begun to eat natural dinners that could be cooked in the microwave. When other employees used the microwave, too, I had to stay as far away from it as possible or I would start to feel much sicker. Last year, when I moved into my new house, there was an old microwave here, and initially I had two friends do work on the house to get it ready for me. They both knew not to use the microwave to cook food, and I planned to remove it but hadn't done so yet. One day, I was one room over from the microwave, and started to feel very dizzy and nauseous and sick. I kept feeling sicker and sicker and didn't know why. Finally, I stumbled into the next room and found that my friends were heating water in the microwave. Microwaves are definitely not safe for me. Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 I don't beleive Cheney or any else has suggested that it is microwave cooking that causes CFS. Blake Mort Caldwell wrote: > No wonder people think PWCs are nuts, if we think microwave cooking has > anything to do with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Hundreds of millions of > people eat microwaved cooked, and/or heated, food every day and they > show no > signs of CFS. > > We do have to keep in mind that CFS disease dates back at least 1,000 > years, > as evidenced by the outbreak in Iceland ca 1,100 AD, and with even > reports > of CFS symptoms in the ancient Roman empire, 2,000 years ago. One > old name > for the disease is Iceland Disease, which I wish had been retained. > > And in early America, CFS was called " The Vapours " , and " Soldier's Heart " > and about 50 other names. During this time, and certainly during the old > Viking and Roman days, no one had microwave ovens or mercury amalgam tooth > fillings.. Except for perhaps some WWI soldiers.. > > I think Soldier's Heart was used for PWCs during World War One, and > some of > these men may have had mercury fillings.. I don't know when those fillings > started. > Maybe about 1890? > > Somewhere in CFS land, there is an essay entitled " The Disease of a > Thousand > Names " . I've misplaced my copy, so would appreciate someone > re-posting it. > > We need to have a good CFS historian, who can research all the old > outbreaks > and names. One common theme to me seems to be that CFS hits people > during a > period of high physical and mental stress, along with very low hours of > sleep during this period, which needs to be for at least one year to lower > the immune system sufficiently for the CFS virus to stage a successful > invasion. And after the virus hits, the immune system then goes into a > full-bore uncontrolled activity level and does all the damage to our > multiple systems. I'm sure those old Viking warriors were being pushed > beyond the limits of human endurance, on very little sleep, so they > dropped > like flies to the CFS virus. > > So as you can tell, I believe in a unique CFS virus, as discovered by > Elaine > deFreitas, PhD, per Osler's Web.. I think this contagious virus is > short-lived in its victims - it is killed off by the super-fired up immune > system, which is what really does the damage. Dr. deFreitas, due to > NIH not > following her instructions on how to culture the virus to successfully > duplicate her work, was blackballed by > the scientific world, with NIH and CDC help. But the Wistar Institute, > where > she worked, part > of the University of PA, did get a world patent on her methods. > > Dr. Cheney was working with Dr. deFreitas on isolating the CFS > virus in > the mid-80s, but after a long battle, saw the futility of fighting the > govt > coverup of their research, and established his practice, limited to CFS > victims. Dr. Cheney seemed to realize that fighting this virus would not > be effective, since it was short-lived and the immune system itself > continued to wreck our bodies after the virus was gone. But continued > research may have prevented new cases, if all the invasive factors were > better defined. They continue to be like folklore. But not for me. > > I am not sure of the fate of Dr. deFreitas - close to the end of > the blackball battle, she was injured in a car accident and then > taught high > school in Florida. I hope she is alive and well today, and enjoying life. > Indeed a brilliant and hard-fighting scientist for what she knew was > right. > > Someday, perhaps 100 years from now, her truth about CFS will be proven, a > vaccine developed and a major medical university named for her. Like > lind lin, whose work with and Crick was critical in the > discovery of the DNA molecule structure, but she was omitted from their > first publication of this major achievement. She could have been included > in their Nobel Prize, but by the time it was awarded, she was dead from > cancer at about age 39. Nobels are not awarded to the dead. > > However, two years ago, the Chicago College of Medicine changed its > name to > the lind lin College of Medicine, in her honor. This is an > old and > honored private medical school and some very influential alums must have > pushed for this. I don't know the entire story, but may find out more, as > my nephew is a student there.. I hope that Dr. Elaine deFreitas may > be so > awarded some day.. But it is the good old boys who dish out the honors, > and very few female scientists are given their due credit. Marie Curie is > the exception that proves the rule. > She may have had to die to get it - she died of radiation poisoning > from her > exposure to Radium, which she discovered. Years of shoveling > radium-filled > dirt and extracting the new element did her in. But the dangers were > unknown at that time. > > Onward and upward, and keep microwaving.. Your microwave does not produce > any ionizing radiation - it is just simply makes high frequency radio > energy, at about 2,000 megahertz, to vibrate water molecules and heat > up the > food. About the same frequency as a cell phone. And the water is > unchanged. > There sure are not any radioactive elements in a microwave oven, such as > uranium.. > > Microwave ovens are well-shielded to keep the radio energy from > leaking out > and heating up your brain, but if you are worried about this, stay about 3 > ft from them while they are running. The radio energy at that > distance will > then be about the same as the sun produces to permeate all areas of your > house. And if we are worried about that, we better get back into the > caves, or at least install well-grounded copper roofs on all our houses.. > Those darn asphalt shingles let all kinds of radio signals into our > houses, > including local AM, FM and TV station energy.. Also comes in thru the > walls, > so we better copper shield our entire house exterior.. > > But then there is our entire house electrical wiring, emitting a strong > 60-cycle electromagnetic field. Some electronic audio nuts, who cannot > stand the least bit of 60 cycle interference hum in their $20,000 stereo > systems, have all the present house wiring ripped out and replaced with > shielded wiring, which is a very expensive job. As a biomedical engineer > and audio enthusiast, I've been fighting power wiring 60 HZ > interference all > my life. It is especially troublesome to biopotential measurements, such > as > EKG and EEG.. > > And then there are those darn touch-operated table lamps, which have a > strong radio oscillator running in them all the time, on or off. Unplug > them all and you will find that your AM radio is once again > buzz-free.. And > your thinking may be clearer...just kidding.. > > Your electronic ghost and fable buster, > > Mort Caldwell > Electrical and Biomedical Engineer > And an old radio broadcast station transmitter engineer > No, that is not why I have CFS - last did that in 1965. > CFS since 1994.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: microwave/cheney > > > > I haven't read the paper yet either, but I have read that cooking > > with a microwave can change the protein structure of a food -- > > change the amino acid structure, thus causing " calming " amino > > acids to become " stimulating " ones -- the last thing we need. > > > > Some say it's okay, or at least safer to gently reheat some things > > in a microwave, but that is controversial as well. Others claim > > that microwaving changes the crystal structure of even water. > > > > And some folks don't even call them microwaves, they call them > > radiation ovens! I personally haven't used mine except once or > > twice in the last two years. It's a hassle to cook everything the > > slower, old fashioned way, but I personally believe it's the > > healthier way to go. > > > > d. > > > > > > > could someone do me a huge favor and explain why > > microwaved food is bad > > > according to Dr Cheney. > > > > > > i don't have the energy to read this article on his talk in Dallas > > > right now, but am very interested to hear how microwaving > > contributes > > > to the ICM that he was talking about. > > > > > > thanks > > > bill > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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