Re: ParaGone Cleanse

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your report Trudy. It certainly sounds like you were getting

jaundiced. I wonder why you got such an extreme response.

Usually, when you get the runs it is adviseable to drink plenty of fluids.

Adrienne

ParaGone Cleanse

Hi everyone,

I thought I would report in with my experience regarding the ParaGone

cleanse (Renew Life) for parasites. The cleanse is to last fifteen

days. You are to take two pills three times per day and 15 drops of the

second bottle three times per day. After 15 days, you are to take a

five day break and then start another box (which lasts for 15 days).

The first 15 day cleanse is to kill off the parasites and the second 15

day cleanse is to kill off the eggs.

From the very beginning of the cleanse, I experienced loose stools that

moved on to extreme diarrhea.

At one point, in an attempt to stop the diarrhea and remove the toxins,

I took some bentonite clay along with Herbal Bulk (since their product

FibreSmart wasn't effective for stopping the diarrhea). The bentonite

clay and herbal bulk mixture worked effectively in forming solid stools.

However, after only one day, I became extremely ill. I realized that

the toxins were not moving out of my system and I was very sick. Later

that evening, I took some coffee and went for a walk to get things

moving. It worked and after relieving myself I was able to sleep. In

the morning, I was back to my diarrhea and was feeling much better.

By day seven of the cleanse I noticed that my urine was a dark yellow.

I had never seen anything like this before. After a few days, I

contacted the Renew Life people and was told that it could be due to

dehydration, B2 vitamin, or toxins. In my case, it certainly could be

dehydration, because with the severe diarrhea I was avoiding eating and

drinking. However, it could also have been removal of toxins. (It

wasn't B2, because I stopped all my vitamins a couple of months earlier.)

I was told to go to half my dose; however, because of the incredible

stress on my body, I decided today to stop the cleanse entirely. This

is unfortunate, since I only had two more days to go. However, I found

the cleanse to be very difficult.

My concern was yesterday a lady at the coffee shop commented on how dark

my sun tan was. I thought it was strange, since this past week we

didn't get much sun, because the weather was overcast and cool for the

most part.

Just this evening, a fellow who works at another coffee shop came over

and commented on how dark my sun tan was. Again, I thought it was

strange. My sister then commented to me that she noticed, for over a

week now, that my skin has turned yellow. I looked to other parts of my

body that weren't tanned and was shocked to see that it was yellow.

Anyway, in doing some study on this it seems to me that this could be a

sign of liver problems. So I am just going to drink plenty of water to

try to correct this problem. Already, my urine is lightening; however,

first thing in the morning it still is pretty dark.

I must say that while the Renew Life cleanses may be too strong for me,

I am really impressed with their customer service. Both the phone and

email have been very helpful.

Interestingly, my " jelly belly " has noticeably shrunk and when I look

down I now see my breasts instead of my belly. I'm not sure if this was

because of all the diarrhea that I experienced, or because of the toxins

that were being removed. This change has been so noticeable that even

my husband commented on it.

Right now I'm going to try to get things back to " normal, " and am

thinking of doing the Hulda parasite cleanse (with the three

herbs: wormwood, cloves and black walnut) when I regain my strength.

In the past, I had results doing her cleanse and my body tolerated the

program very easily.

Kind regards,

Trudy

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Trudy -

I haven't done the ParaGone Cleanse, can't speak to that.

I turned yellow right after I had the mercury taken out of my teeth.

(Most of my skin was yellow, except my feet which were orange.) I was

told it was liver-related - liver being overworked, basically.

I was told to take Rescue Remedy (a Bach flower essence), 4 drops,

4x/day.

And to do a liver compress several times a week:

* rub some castor oil on the skin over your liver (~1 Tbls?)

from ~midline over almost to your right side,

from ~waist up over several ribs (the liver is big)

* cover this with some plastic wrap - for keeping tidy

* cover that with a lightweight towel (so you won't get burned)

* lie down with a hot pad over the whole thing, 20-30 min. No longer.

* Wash up.

I got normal color back after about 3 months. I stopped the Rescue

Remedy then, but still do the liver compress sometimes. Very soothing.

(Milk thistle was also suggested; my body didn't like it.)

---------------

I had good results with Hulda 's parasite cleanse, and no bad

effects. She recommends building up to a full dose over 3 weeks, then

taking it once a week. Because I had a huge load of parasites, I

built up to the full dose on her schedule, then took it daily for

several months. Finally it didn't quite agree with me - I didn't need

it any more.

Good luck! -Lynn

P.S. I don't know which specific parasites they were. My doc used a

machine called an " Ondamed " to find them. It's explained at

www.holistiquemedicine.com/ondamed.htm if you're interested. FWIW,

my body doesn't tolerate treatments from the Ondamed very well, but

using it just for diagnostic purposes has worked for me.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Trudy.

The combination of yellow skin and dark urine after a treatment that

involves the liver suggests that bilirubin is building up in your

blood and is being carried out in the urine, because the liver for

some reason is not able to carry enough of it out in the bile. This

is called jaundice. Bilirubin is a breakdown product from old red

blood cells, and is normally carried out in the bile.

Perhaps the extended diarrhea has carried out a lot of your bile

salts, which are normally reabsorbed and used over. If so, your

liver will need some time to replace them so that it can restore its

normal flow of bile. They are synthesized from cholesterol.

I think that it's good that you are giving your liver a rest from

the treatments and drinking lots of water.

Rich

> Hi everyone,

>

> I thought I would report in with my experience regarding the

ParaGone

> cleanse (Renew Life) for parasites. The cleanse is to last

fifteen

> days. You are to take two pills three times per day and 15 drops

of the

> second bottle three times per day. After 15 days, you are to take

a

> five day break and then start another box (which lasts for 15

days).

> The first 15 day cleanse is to kill off the parasites and the

second 15

> day cleanse is to kill off the eggs.

>

> From the very beginning of the cleanse, I experienced loose

stools that

> moved on to extreme diarrhea.

>

> At one point, in an attempt to stop the diarrhea and remove the

toxins,

> I took some bentonite clay along with Herbal Bulk (since their

product

> FibreSmart wasn't effective for stopping the diarrhea). The

bentonite

> clay and herbal bulk mixture worked effectively in forming solid

stools.

> However, after only one day, I became extremely ill. I realized

that

> the toxins were not moving out of my system and I was very sick.

Later

> that evening, I took some coffee and went for a walk to get things

> moving. It worked and after relieving myself I was able to

sleep. In

> the morning, I was back to my diarrhea and was feeling much better.

>

> By day seven of the cleanse I noticed that my urine was a dark

yellow.

> I had never seen anything like this before. After a few days, I

> contacted the Renew Life people and was told that it could be due

to

> dehydration, B2 vitamin, or toxins. In my case, it certainly

could be

> dehydration, because with the severe diarrhea I was avoiding

eating and

> drinking. However, it could also have been removal of toxins.

(It

> wasn't B2, because I stopped all my vitamins a couple of months

earlier.)

>

> I was told to go to half my dose; however, because of the

incredible

> stress on my body, I decided today to stop the cleanse entirely.

This

> is unfortunate, since I only had two more days to go. However, I

found

> the cleanse to be very difficult.

>

> My concern was yesterday a lady at the coffee shop commented on

how dark

> my sun tan was. I thought it was strange, since this past week we

> didn't get much sun, because the weather was overcast and cool for

the

> most part.

>

> Just this evening, a fellow who works at another coffee shop came

over

> and commented on how dark my sun tan was. Again, I thought it was

> strange. My sister then commented to me that she noticed, for

over a

> week now, that my skin has turned yellow. I looked to other parts

of my

> body that weren't tanned and was shocked to see that it was yellow.

>

> Anyway, in doing some study on this it seems to me that this could

be a

> sign of liver problems. So I am just going to drink plenty of

water to

> try to correct this problem. Already, my urine is lightening;

however,

> first thing in the morning it still is pretty dark.

>

> I must say that while the Renew Life cleanses may be too strong

for me,

> I am really impressed with their customer service. Both the phone

and

> email have been very helpful.

>

> Interestingly, my " jelly belly " has noticeably shrunk and when I

look

> down I now see my breasts instead of my belly. I'm not sure if

this was

> because of all the diarrhea that I experienced, or because of the

toxins

> that were being removed. This change has been so noticeable that

even

> my husband commented on it.

>

> Right now I'm going to try to get things back to " normal, " and am

> thinking of doing the Hulda parasite cleanse (with the three

> herbs: wormwood, cloves and black walnut) when I regain my

strength.

> In the past, I had results doing her cleanse and my body

tolerated the

> program very easily.

>

> Kind regards,

> Trudy

[Guest guest]

Trudy,

I just want to second Rich's comments (and yours) about the water and

letting the liver rest.

My doc didn't OK me to do the Hulda parasite cleanse until my

system had stabilized and my color had been normal a few weeks...

Take care. -Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

Thank you so much for confirming this liver connection and for

suggestions regarding treatment. My mom told me to do castor oil packs,

so she will be pleased to hear that you also suggest them. She also

told me to follow a strict diet of no sugar or fat. I'm to eat as many

green vegetables as possible--especially leafy green--so that means lots

of salads. I guess I can have a little fruit as well. And, of course,

I'm to drink plenty of water.

I didn't realize that it will take me several months to correct this

problem. I was thinking a couple of weeks. Oh well, I will take it one

day at a time.

I won't be doing Hulda 's parasite cleanse for at least a couple of

months until after my skin colour returns to normal. I still feel that

the parasite issue has to be addressed. I just have to use more gentle

means for detoxing.

The link you sent was very interesting. I went to the liver detox link

at the site and they said that " those who are weak and fragile from a

debilitating disease should not detox. "

http://www.holistiquemedicine.com/detox.htm

Right now I'm very exhausted and weak, and I'm sleeping a lot.

Apparently sleep is also an important part of recovery.

What an interesting ride it has been! :-)

Do you know why they recommend the Rescue Remedy? Were you able to

recover enough to detox the mercury? If so, what did you do for that?

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 2

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:19:42 -0000

From: " Lynn " <lkpumpkin@...>

Subject: Re: ParaGone Cleanse

Hi Trudy -

I haven't done the ParaGone Cleanse, can't speak to that.

I turned yellow right after I had the mercury taken out of my teeth.

(Most of my skin was yellow, except my feet which were orange.) I was

told it was liver-related - liver being overworked, basically.

I was told to take Rescue Remedy (a Bach flower essence), 4 drops,

4x/day.

And to do a liver compress several times a week:

* rub some castor oil on the skin over your liver (~1 Tbls?)

from ~midline over almost to your right side,

from ~waist up over several ribs (the liver is big)

* cover this with some plastic wrap - for keeping tidy

* cover that with a lightweight towel (so you won't get burned)

* lie down with a hot pad over the whole thing, 20-30 min. No longer.

* Wash up.

I got normal color back after about 3 months. I stopped the Rescue

Remedy then, but still do the liver compress sometimes. Very soothing.

(Milk thistle was also suggested; my body didn't like it.)

---------------

I had good results with Hulda 's parasite cleanse, and no bad

effects. She recommends building up to a full dose over 3 weeks, then

taking it once a week. Because I had a huge load of parasites, I

built up to the full dose on her schedule, then took it daily for

several months. Finally it didn't quite agree with me - I didn't need

it any more.

Good luck! -Lynn

P.S. I don't know which specific parasites they were. My doc used a

machine called an " Ondamed " to find them. It's explained at

www.holistiquemedicine.com/ondamed.htm if you're interested. FWIW,

my body doesn't tolerate treatments from the Ondamed very well, but

using it just for diagnostic purposes has worked for me.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

Thanks so much for taking the time to explain this to me. I tried to

search it out yesterday, and the only thing I was able to find out was

that my liver was involved, so I appreciate your insights.

Do you know if there is a way to help increase bile salts?

In hindsight, I now realize that I should not have let the diarrhea go

on for over 24 hours. I was quite confused as to where to draw the

line. I didn't want to be a wimp! :-) In the future, I will know

better. On the box, there is a notice that the product contains Cape

Aloe Gel. I presume that is known for causing diarrhea, loose stools,

or abdominal pain. Hence the warning. (Regarding the cleanse I did

before--CleanseSmart--it also had a warning on the bottle. It had

magnesium hydroxide, Cape Aloe gel and Rhubarb root, amongst other

things. In the future, I will check labels for these items before I buy

any product.

Today I took 10 mg of prednisone to stop the diarrhea. Everything seems

fine now.

I returned the other unopened cleanses that I planned on doing tonight.

I told the girl at the health food store that I planned on just

drinking water, but she told me that now, more than ever, I should be

assisting my liver with phase 2 detox. She recommended the following:

- 4 litres of water (minimum)

- Vitamin C (1-2 Emergen-C, plus C chewables every four hours)

- Alcabase - a.m. and p.m. (in warm water)

- Increase fiber

- ISO-Whey

- Ultra Clear

Rich, what do you think of her suggestions?

I'm quite certain this is just a temporary set back, but I would like to

help my body along as much as possible.

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 6

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:44:53 -0000

From: " rvankonynen " <richvank@...>

Subject: Re: ParaGone Cleanse

Hi, Trudy.

The combination of yellow skin and dark urine after a treatment that

involves the liver suggests that bilirubin is building up in your

blood and is being carried out in the urine, because the liver for

some reason is not able to carry enough of it out in the bile. This

is called jaundice. Bilirubin is a breakdown product from old red

blood cells, and is normally carried out in the bile.

Perhaps the extended diarrhea has carried out a lot of your bile

salts, which are normally reabsorbed and used over. If so, your

liver will need some time to replace them so that it can restore its

normal flow of bile. They are synthesized from cholesterol.

I think that it's good that you are giving your liver a rest from

the treatments and drinking lots of water.

Rich

[Guest guest]

I am curious how you came to take prednisone for diarrhea. Is that common

practice? Why not just immodium?

Doris

[Guest guest]

I don't knoow how reliable this is but I had heard from a dr, who had CFIDS,

years ago that immodium was not so good for your liver-I think it was a bit

toxic-there again, I don't know if this is reliable-

Natasha

Re: Re: ParaGone Cleanse

I am curious how you came to take prednisone for diarrhea. Is that common

practice? Why not just immodium?

Doris

[Guest guest]

Hi Doris,

You are right. A person who just has diarrhea wouldn't take prednisone.

However, my situation is more like colitis than Irritable Bowel

Syndrome or diarrhea. I haven't been diagnosed with colitis, because

the doctors here don't take my illness or complaints seriously. Both my

mom and dad had colitis (both were tested). Additionally, when I saw an

acupuncturist (who had been the chief head of an emergency room in a

so-called third world country), he told me it sounded more like colitis

than IBS. Of course, I would have to be tested to confirm diagnosis.

Prednisone is often standard treatment for a colitis flare. (Imodium

doesn't cut it for me.)

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 16

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:42:06 -0700

From: " Doris Brown " <dorisbrown9@...>

Subject: Re: Re: ParaGone Cleanse

I am curious how you came to take prednisone for diarrhea. Is that common

practice? Why not just immodium?

Doris

[Guest guest]

Trudy -

> I didn't realize that it will take me several months to correct

this problem.

**I seem to be an extreme case, so don't assume it will take you as

long to get pink again (or whatever your healthy color is). I had

mercury taken out of 18 teeth in one day (under sedation, w/VitC

IV). That's hard on a body! That was Feb 2004.

> I still feel that the parasite issue has to be addressed. I just

have to use more gentle means for detoxing.

**Yup, that why I went that route. I used drugs for H. Pylori and

they worked but they took a lot out of me. This was much easier.

> The link you sent was very interesting. I went to the liver detox

link at the site and they said that " those who are weak and fragile

from a debilitating disease should not detox. "

> http://www.holistiquemedicine.com/detox.htm

**Hmm. Makes good sense. Unless of course detoxing is the only way

out of the debilitating disease. I've never looked at the rest of

that site, just found their Ondamed explanation thru Google.

I'm gradually figuring out that my system is fragile and needs to be

handled carefully. Duh. My mind can come up with all kinds of

ambitious schedules for treatments, but the body has its own pace.

> Right now I'm very exhausted and weak, and I'm sleeping a lot.

Apparently sleep is also an important part of recovery.

> What an interesting ride it has been! :-)

**Amen.

> Do you know why they recommend the Rescue Remedy?

**Sorry, no. But it did seem to help.

And I was told about the liver compresses, but frankly didn't start

them for a couple months 'cause the method I was given was more than

my brain could deal with. Finally I heard this version. I don't

remember just when I started them in relation to when the yellow

faded. I continued them while chelating - keep that liver happy!

>She also told me to follow a strict diet of no sugar or fat.

**That sounds reasonable...

>Were you able to recover enough to detox the mercury? If so, what

did you do for that?

**I started chelating mercury about a month after the fillings were

removed (while I was still sunny yellow). I don't remember what

started first at which dosages, but it eventually included:

Alpha-lipoic acid 300mg

Vit C 2g 3-4x/day

Chlorella 3g

Citramin II 6 caps

Magnesium citrate 400mg

MSM 3g 2x/day

NDF 10 drops

Rescue Remedy 4 drops 4x/day

Zinc Piccolinate 50 mg

Castor oil compress

Coffee enema

Bentonite clay bath 1/month

I made good progess on this, seeing noticeable improvement in

function every 3 weeks or so. I started the Hulda parasite

cleanse last summer, concurrent. And of course there were lots of

other things in my daily line-up that weren't directly related to

mercury or parasites. Things like cod liver oil and CoQ10. Keeping up

with it all...

I hit a high stress time last winter, ended up with severe mineral

depletion and had to stop chelating in Dec. Major relapse in Feb

didn't help either. I'm just coming out of that now, and hope to

resume chelating (at a slower pace) soon.

Rest well! -Lynn

[Guest guest]

I think that all of us have tendencies to want to do too much, too fast. I try

to remember I'm in it for the long haul. For example when I started

antibiotics, it took me a year to work up to a full dose. But my feelng was,

why go faster and be miserable? Same thing for mercury detox. Especially

because our bodies are not in the same shape as other peoples (our livers, etc)

it is usually important to go slow.

Doris

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I'm gradually figuring out that my system is fragile and needs to be

handled carefully. Duh. My mind can come up with all kinds of

ambitious schedules for treatments, but the body has its own pace.