Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hello everyone, I'm a moderator of the Alfred Blasi Recuperation group at: AlfredblasiprotocolFMSCFS/ Alfred, who owns the group and occasionally posts there (along with Dr. Roses from the company who is involved in scientific aspects of Recup development and testing), is aware that there is some discussion going on here and thinks that is good (I have copied his message to our group at the end of this posting). He has not asked me to post here, I have done so on my own initiative. Whilst he does not condemn people trying other protocols or whatever they wish, in fact has a very open mind and never tries to twist anyone's arm, he is anxious to point out that it isn't a matter of using merely the right ingredients, but using them in the correct proportions. The exact Recup formula is unknown because it is patented, however the exact proportions of metallic ions (sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium), are known and it's actually not that difficult in principle to make up one's own mixture having the same proportions. There is a formula I made available on the Blasi site which may or may not actually work in practice. It uses the same ingredients as used in Recup (as far as one is able to determine - the exact forms of calcium phosphate and sodium citrate used are unknown, and the ratio of sodium citrate to sodium chloride is also unknown). I know from my own experiments that it is terribly difficult to ensure the compounds are mixed thoroughly so as to give an even consistency, so I always recommend that people actually take Recup, and do so myself - and like anyone else, I pay the going rate for that. No one on our list, including Alfred himself, makes a penny from Recup, and no one is interested in promoting it or in rubbishing other treatments. But I think we do like to be sure that people know that Recup is a quite unique mix and you are not going to be able to duplicate it exactly even if you mix up the same compounds, and still less if you take some other salt mix which does not have the same proportions of metallic ions. Although there aren't huge amounts of sodium/potassium, and very small amounts of calcium and magnesium in Recup, the idea is that at the correct proportions, the bioavailability of Na, K, Ca and Mg is optimised. This doesn't mean that people can't take other things if they want, including other salt mixtures and supplements containing these ions, only that if they want to give Recup a fair chance, they should ensure that they take it a reasonable amount of time apart from them (maybe a couple of hours either side). Having said that, I myself steer clear of any other sources of these ions apart from those you will naturally come across in, e.g., ordinary table salt. I think you have a good group here, with a similar non-doctrinal approach to ours, and don't see us as being in any way in competition. We don't go looking for converts or seek to spread the " Gospel " about Recup - everyone on our list is encouraged to speak openly and honestly about their experiences with it. The large majority of those who post report worthwhile improvements even though there is no restriction and no " company line " . If people are going to try Recup, let them do so, and if it works, fair enough. If not, then by all means try other things. One can even try several things at once, including Recup, as long as one does so in such a way that the potential effectiveness of Recup isn't negatively influenced. There are anecdotal reports from *some* people (including me), that guaifenesin and Recup may interact in some subtle way so that so-called " cycling " symptoms are enhanced - which is obviously undesirable. Hence a number have given up guai (which isn't always easy and there's info about that available). Some suspect that in some way Recup tends to make other treatments more potent, and that isn't necessarily always a good thing! Recup is currently being tested in serious clinical studies within the Spanish health system. Results are projected to be available by the end of this year. None of us can say what those results will be at the present moment, though there have been a few encouraging initial studies. Nonetheless, we are not yet claiming success on anything other than a non-scientific, anecdotal basis. If you want to find out more about Recup, then feel free to check out the Alfred Blasi site, which concentrates on this protocol and has the benefit of having Alfred and Dr. Roses about. One thing I can do if the moderators here are comfortable with it is to post the FAQs from our group, which contain a wealth of information about Recup, to your Files section - then you'd be able to check them out without joining. I salute you, fellow sufferers, and wish that you get well whatever methods you are trying or whatever opinions you might hold. Vive le choix libre! :-) Alfred's message to our group: ================================================= In other group there are a very good discussion about the formula of recup and there are people who say that it's the same than isostar. The group is: / There are an error in the afirmation that say that it's the same. In the world there are a lot of products with the same chemical elements but not with the same proportion and i have a doubt about the same eficiency. Every person can take all that they want, but they must to know that it's very diferent whit a litle changes in the proportion of the ions. In fact, one clinical research that made the laboratory with sportsmen was to prove the different eficiency of the isostar and recup formula. The results was very very clear. I copy you this results: Research Rehydration in long distance sportsmen. A randomized controlled cross-over study. Short term ionic intake as a nutritional therapy. Immediate effect recovering hydration and muscular energetic elements in sportsmen. Rehydration following exercise: effects of administration of two beverages, one with relatively low sodium content (Isostar Fast Hydration *) versus one with moderately high sodium content (Recuperat-ion). Study of plasma osmolality and the effect of energetic substrates by mean of Phosphorus-31 Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy (31P- NMR). Pujol P1 , Rosés JM2, Drobnic F1, Aliste L2, González C1 y Moreno A3. 1 Centre d' Alt Rendiment. Sant Cugat del Vallès (Barcelona). España. 2 Instituto de Biometría Aplicada (BIOMET). Barcelona. España. 3 C.E.T.I.R. Barcelona. This is an open randomized controlled cross-over study (AB/BA) with twelve male trained athletes. The subjects were assigned at random to one of the groups with sequence AB (K1) or BA (K2). All the subjects intake 150 % of the weight-loss post exercise. Recuperat-ion re-establishes the normality of muscle energetic substrates (Pi/Total, Pi/beta-ATP and Pi/PCr) as soon as in the first 2 hours of the port-exercise rehydrating period, and shows a greater and faster normalization of muscular rehydration with respect control drink. Therefore, the administration of a solution with a moderately high content of sodium seems to re-establish with greater speed not only muscular rehydration but also the energetic substrates needed for muscular performance. This speedy re-establishment of both rehydration and the energetic substrates which intervene in the energetic metabolism of muscles is particularly useful in those sports which involve fast and intense and/or prolonged and repetitive exercises. * Trade mark of Novartis AG You can read the complete results in: http://www.recuperat-ion.com/pdf/Rehydration%20and %20NMR%20Study%20CAR- > 2004.pdf My english is to much litle to explain to the other group... ALfred ==================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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