How come I never get sick?

[Guest guest]

I have had CFS for 9 years now and always got 2-3 colds a year. SInce I did

some form of energy work (Network Spinal Analysis ) last year I have not been

sick in over a year. You would think this is good but I feel like I am dying.

I am much much more exhausted all the time. Does anyone know what could have

happened to me?

Is it that my immune system is overactive now? I don't get it. Or am I just

too weak to mount a defense?

Thanks,

Suz

[Guest guest]

OK, I will take a guess at this. Here are two possibilities.

1. If this therapy worked for you, then your immune system could be

working better. In fact, one of the 'research-based' claims I found in

a quick search was that people who get 2-3 colds per year may have none

if NSA works for them. The problem is that the research with this

therapy was probably not conducted on PWC, but with healthy people who

did not feel worse for losing the colds. Since you have CFS, the

'better functioning' immune system is probably draining some resources

that you don't have. Maybe B12, for example, or some minerals. So that

would may a PWC even more fatigued.

2. Another possible explanation is that something else is involved, and

it is not NSA, but rather you have picked up an immune-modulating bug,

like HHV6 or Borrelia, for example, which have this same effect on

people. The timing could just be a coincidence. If you have CFS you

will get new bugs now and then.stands to reason.

My choice is the second explanation, but I would not rule out the first

(not entirely anyway). A lot of interesting things seem to happen with

energetics, I have experienced this repeatedly myself.

Also, I can't help but observe that NSA may be harming patients and not

helping them if people stop having normal colds. Maybe the procedure

'misprograms' something in the brain and shuts down part of the immune

system, which would lead to improved symptoms because the immune is not

fighting. Incidentally, I have read that we need 2-3 colds (which

induce a T1 response) per year to help avoid cancer, we need the detox.

The idea that we need a cure for the common cold is a misnomer. What we

need are fewer toxins in the environment. Modern medicine racing to the

wrong fire yet again (but the meter is running so who cares, right? :-0

).

Have you read through www.keephopealive.org

<http://www.keephopealive.org/> ? Lots of info on why the immune gets

stuck on T2, and why CFS and AIDS patients often don't get normal colds.

Some AIDS patients actually try to induce allergic responses that are

known to activate T1, so they can have a cold and get the immune working

right again. A very interesting site.

--Kurt

How come I never get " sick " ?

I have had CFS for 9 years now and always got 2-3 colds a year. SInce I

did some form of energy work (Network Spinal Analysis ) last year I have

not been sick in over a year. You would think this is good but I feel

like I am dying. I am much much more exhausted all the time. Does

anyone know what could have happened to me?

Is it that my immune system is overactive now? I don't get it. Or am I

just too weak to mount a defense?

Thanks,

Suz

[Guest guest]

-Kurt,

Thanks for replying. I really do believe it was the NSA because on

the first entrainment (session) my vulvodynia flared really bad.

From the second entrainment on I continued to get worse and worse. I

became more and more tired w/each one. It got to the point where I

could no longer get myself out there for treatment. I also developed

some strange rash, a sore throat w/white spots, etc. I still have

the sore throat w/white spots a year later.

I did NSA for 8 weeks, 3 times a week. The Chiro doing the

treatment kept telling me that my body was improving and finding the

problems, and next it would fix them and I would feel better. Well,

like I said I got too sick to continue. I know it did something to

my immune system because I always have gotten colds until this

treatment.

I will check out the website and info you posted. I appreciate your

help. I wish I could reverse this somehow. This treatment made me

100 times worse than I was.

Take care,

Suz

-- In , " Kurt (web) " <kurt@i...>

wrote:

> OK, I will take a guess at this. Here are two possibilities.

>

> 1. If this therapy worked for you, then your immune system could be

> working better. In fact, one of the 'research-based' claims I

found in

> a quick search was that people who get 2-3 colds per year may have

none

> if NSA works for them. The problem is that the research with this

> therapy was probably not conducted on PWC, but with healthy people

who

> did not feel worse for losing the colds. Since you have CFS, the

> 'better functioning' immune system is probably draining some

resources

> that you don't have. Maybe B12, for example, or some minerals.

So that

> would may a PWC even more fatigued.

>

> 2. Another possible explanation is that something else is

involved, and

> it is not NSA, but rather you have picked up an immune-modulating

bug,

> like HHV6 or Borrelia, for example, which have this same effect on

> people. The timing could just be a coincidence. If you have CFS

you

> will get new bugs now and then.stands to reason.

>

> My choice is the second explanation, but I would not rule out the

first

> (not entirely anyway). A lot of interesting things seem to happen

with

> energetics, I have experienced this repeatedly myself.

>

> Also, I can't help but observe that NSA may be harming patients

and not

> helping them if people stop having normal colds. Maybe the

procedure

> 'misprograms' something in the brain and shuts down part of the

immune

> system, which would lead to improved symptoms because the immune

is not

> fighting. Incidentally, I have read that we need 2-3 colds (which

> induce a T1 response) per year to help avoid cancer, we need the

detox.

> The idea that we need a cure for the common cold is a misnomer.

What we

> need are fewer toxins in the environment. Modern medicine racing

to the

> wrong fire yet again (but the meter is running so who cares,

right? :-0

> ).

>

> Have you read through www.keephopealive.org

> <http://www.keephopealive.org/> ? Lots of info on why the immune

gets

> stuck on T2, and why CFS and AIDS patients often don't get normal

colds.

> Some AIDS patients actually try to induce allergic responses that

are

> known to activate T1, so they can have a cold and get the immune

working

> right again. A very interesting site.

> --Kurt

>

>

> How come I never get " sick " ?

>

> I have had CFS for 9 years now and always got 2-3 colds a year.

SInce I

> did some form of energy work (Network Spinal Analysis ) last year

I have

> not been sick in over a year. You would think this is good but I

feel

> like I am dying. I am much much more exhausted all the time. Does

> anyone know what could have happened to me?

>

> Is it that my immune system is overactive now? I don't get it.

Or am I

> just too weak to mount a defense?

>

> Thanks,

> Suz

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kurt,

I agree with you about the immune system getting stuck in TH2 mode.

Since having CFS I rarely ever get colds. My CFS specialist told me

that when I did actually start getting colds again.......this would

be a good sign. I did notice the few times over a 10 yr. span that

I got a cold..........my body felt much better over-all.

Tammy

Kurt wrote:

>

> Have you read through www.keephopealive.org

> <http://www.keephopealive.org/> ? Lots of info on why the immune

gets

> stuck on T2, and why CFS and AIDS patients often don't get normal

colds.

> Some AIDS patients actually try to induce allergic responses that

are

> known to activate T1, so they can have a cold and get the immune

working

> right again. A very interesting site.

> --Kurt

>

>

> How come I never get " sick " ?

>

> I have had CFS for 9 years now and always got 2-3 colds a year.

SInce I

> did some form of energy work (Network Spinal Analysis ) last year

I have

> not been sick in over a year. You would think this is good but I

feel

> like I am dying. I am much much more exhausted all the time. Does

> anyone know what could have happened to me?

>

> Is it that my immune system is overactive now? I don't get it.

Or am I

> just too weak to mount a defense?

>

> Thanks,

> Suz

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Suz

Let me give you my doctors response to this same question, because I

didn't get sick either, but felt like I had the flu constantly. He

said that as the pathogens multiply our immune system gets more and

more turned on, until it is running at full warp speed. We start

feeling crappier because our immune system is frantically attacking in

an effort to irradicate these CWDs who have hidden in our normal

cells, thus the attack is actually on us.

Since the immune system is so fired up, most other bateria and viruses

don't stand a chance, they are wiped out by this over active immune

system before they even know what hit them. Really a pretty simple

explanation but makes a whole lot of sense.

[Guest guest]

Jellybelly,

Thanks for replying. What are CWDs? That does make sense. Except I

have high EBV IGG tiers and I would think they wouldn't be so high if

my immune system was able to keep it in check. Maybe that is wrong.

Did your doc recommend anything?

Do we want to stimulate it more in order to help it knock some of

these infections out or do we want to calm it down? Thanks for your

help. What are you doing now for this awful exhaustion/flu feeling?

Take care,

Suz

>

> Hi Suz

>

> Let me give you my doctors response to this same question, because I

> didn't get sick either, but felt like I had the flu constantly. He

> said that as the pathogens multiply our immune system gets more and

> more turned on, until it is running at full warp speed. We start

> feeling crappier because our immune system is frantically attacking

in

> an effort to irradicate these CWDs who have hidden in our normal

> cells, thus the attack is actually on us.

>

> Since the immune system is so fired up, most other bateria and

viruses

> don't stand a chance, they are wiped out by this over active immune

> system before they even know what hit them. Really a pretty simple

> explanation but makes a whole lot of sense.

[Guest guest]

CWD means Cell Wall Deficient. Many of the pathogens that make us so

sick have no cell walls. Because of this they MUST inhabit other

normal cells to survive. It is almost a certainty that EBV is not

your only problem, but these CWDs are very hard to detect and takes

some very new tests to find them and even that isn't 100%. The

numbers are growing in mass though and it is again very likely you

have at least one.

My doctors recommendation is to irradicate them. That is what I have

done and thankfully after being sick for 24 years I am now in about

95% remission with his helpf and direction. There are several things

that need to be done, they kind of need to be done together and over

time progress can be made. First you need to really understand why

you are sick. I am going to point you to a website where myself and

others have accumulated lots of research over the years. I try to

find stuff that is easy to understand for all of us brain fogged.

The first place this link will take you to is an article on the 2

major parts of the immune system and how one of them ends up in

hyper drive. Then just look around from there. Feel free to ask me

any questions and I can try to point you in the direction of an

answer.

http://cure2003.conforums.com/index.cgi?

board=cure & action=display & num=1090448718

[Guest guest]

Dang, I keep forgetting that the links here just take you to the

board, not the exact spot. Go to the " Look for the Cure " topic then

go down to " An Easy Explanation of the roles of Th1 and Th2 " There

is another article below that on Th1/Th2. Sorry.

>

> CWD means Cell Wall Deficient. Many of the pathogens that make us

so

> sick have no cell walls. Because of this they MUST inhabit other

> normal cells to survive. It is almost a certainty that EBV is not

> your only problem, but these CWDs are very hard to detect and

takes

> some very new tests to find them and even that isn't 100%. The

> numbers are growing in mass though and it is again very likely you

> have at least one.

>

> My doctors recommendation is to irradicate them. That is what I

have

> done and thankfully after being sick for 24 years I am now in

about

> 95% remission with his helpf and direction. There are several

things

> that need to be done, they kind of need to be done together and

over

> time progress can be made. First you need to really understand why

> you are sick. I am going to point you to a website where myself

and

> others have accumulated lots of research over the years. I try to

> find stuff that is easy to understand for all of us brain fogged.

> The first place this link will take you to is an article on the 2

> major parts of the immune system and how one of them ends up in

> hyper drive. Then just look around from there. Feel free to ask me

> any questions and I can try to point you in the direction of an

> answer.

>

> http://cure2003.conforums.com/index.cgi?

> board=cure & action=display & num=1090448718

[Guest guest]

Doris

One shoe definetly won't fit everyone, way to many variables. Not

everyone with way turned on immune systems have allergies or at

least not like everyone else. My dad possibly had Lupus which is a

way turned on immune system, but his allergies weren't to bad. He

did get sick in a fairly average way. One doc I know who had treated

well over 400 Lupus patients, didn't have even one with cancer. That

led him to believe that people with Lupus and an over active immune

system aren't prone to cancer, but they are clearly very sick.

My mom, has MS, she has all kinds of allergies, bad asthma and gets

sick all the time. Although she seems to be approaching a period

where she isn't getting sick that often. There seems to be a pattern

in those with CFS. Start out catching everything, fevers, swollen

glands, they catch it all. Then as they get sicker in the way that

they always feel cruddy, they seem to not actually ever catch

things. Swollen glands stop and no fevers. Last time I ran a fever

was after Mycoplasma Pnuemonia (CWD) 24 years ago. My glands never

swell. There was a time I really wished for a runny nose just so I

could stay in bed and look obviously sick.

EBV, CMV, and HHV6 are not problems that I deal with. I have been

exposed to EBV though. Allergies as most people know them are

foreign to me. I don't think it means I don't have allergies though.

More variations. In the case of an autoimmune type of reaction my

doctors explanations makes sense to me. But the immune system is

complex and there are new thoughts surfacing every day.

> Sounds great, except explain: Why can the immune system be

so " turned on " that you don't get a cold or flu, and yet it is

not " turned on " enough to kill the internal pathogens? EBV, CMV,

HHV6, bacteria, etc. Also the " turned on " theory says you get a lot

of allergies which has never held for me either.

>

> I remember before they knew to look for viruses, they said we

didn't have any but our cytokines were " turned on " and those are

what give you the flu-like symptoms. Now that they look for viruses

and bacteria they find a lot of them. They are really the cause of

the symptoms, at least have been for me.

>

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: jellybelly92008

> Let me give you my doctors response to this same question,

because I

> didn't get sick either, but felt like I had the flu constantly.

He

> said that as the pathogens multiply our immune system gets more

and

> more turned on, until it is running at full warp speed. We start

> feeling crappier because our immune system is frantically

attacking in

> an effort to irradicate these CWDs who have hidden in our normal

> cells, thus the attack is actually on us.

>

> Since the immune system is so fired up, most other bateria and

viruses

> don't stand a chance, they are wiped out by this over active

immune

> system before they even know what hit them. Really a pretty

simple

> explanation but makes a whole lot of sense.

>

>