Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Several years ago there was an article in New Scientist. Researchers had found that Chlaymedia Pneumonia and Mycoplasma Pneumonia growth rate increased by 1000x in 24 hours in the presence of adrenlaine. This has been one reason we keep lots of rosavin around -- it is a stress modifier and appears to down regulate adrenlaine release... \very sweet > -----Original Message----- > From: jill1313 [mailto:jenbooks13@h...] > I'm saying that real infections are at the root and although obviously > stress has a role in illness (and in health), that it is simply an > exacerbating factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Ken, I remember that you were also using Rhodiola. I am also planning to try rosavin and I would like to know your opinion on them. What are the differences in effects of vin and Rhodiola?If you have time? Also `Oh, if your evolving theory is based on either of these - devolve it. Psycho-archeologists keep digging them up, but these fossils are extinct. ` I find 's posts written whenever somebody mentions of stress very negative.It is very well known that stress has an effect on CFS. The way that he tells people kindly `shut up` is very humiliating.I think he also doing harm to CFS community by creating problems whenever someone starts to talk on stress on this list.Some people including me might benefit from these discussions.Just wanted to inform you and whole list on my problem. Nil Adrenlaine and infections > > > Several years ago there was an article in New Scientist. Researchers > had found that Chlaymedia Pneumonia and Mycoplasma Pneumonia growth > rate increased by 1000x in 24 hours in the presence of adrenlaine. > > This has been one reason we keep lots of rosavin around -- it is a > stress modifier and appears to down regulate adrenlaine release... > \very sweet > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jill1313 [mailto:jenbooks13@h...] > > I'm saying that real infections are at the root and although > obviously > > stress has a role in illness (and in health), that it is simply an > > exacerbating factor. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 One is a BRAND NAME (rosavin) and one is the plant name ( Siberian Rhodiola rosea). We've always taken rosavin [cost is not a factor for us] so have no comments on other brands. **stress** is an important item, but it is also emotionally laden -- especially since 'stress often [wrongly] implies a weakness in the person'. It's gets to close to psychological issues -- which many people are hyper-sensitive about (i.e. Wesley school). Thus, ironically, talking about stress causes stress. If we use the phrase " stress-adrelenaine response " , we may be able to talk about it without triggering sensitivies. As long as people tie it to a CHEMICAL response, we may be able to get a dialog going... What are the > differences in effects of vin and Rhodiola?If you have time? > I find 's posts written whenever somebody mentions of stress very > negative.It is very well known that stress has an effect on CFS. The way > that he tells people kindly `shut up` is very humiliating.I think he also > doing harm to CFS community by creating problems whenever someone starts to > talk on stress on this list.Some people including me might benefit from > these discussions.Just wanted to inform you and whole list on my problem. > > Nil > > ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Nil, we have found that stress causes the production of additional stomach acid. We don't have a stomach acid problem, but this just adds to the overload of Hyaluronan that we already have. During times of stress we just increase the amount of alkali (in our method TUMS). and if necessary, a little more Guaifenesin. Works like a charm. Before we learned this, stress would add acid, we would feel worse, then that lead to really feeling bad and disability, pain, etc. Anne Hillebrand www.FibroFix.com Adrenlaine and infections > > > Several years ago there was an article in New Scientist. Researchers > had found that Chlaymedia Pneumonia and Mycoplasma Pneumonia growth > rate increased by 1000x in 24 hours in the presence of adrenlaine. > > This has been one reason we keep lots of rosavin around -- it is a > stress modifier and appears to down regulate adrenlaine release... > \very sweet > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jill1313 [mailto:jenbooks13@h...] > > I'm saying that real infections are at the root and although > obviously > > stress has a role in illness (and in health), that it is simply an > > exacerbating factor. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Thanks Anne, My stomach does not produce stomach acid at all:). It use to produce much in the past. Nil Re: Adrenlaine and infections > > > Nil, we have found that stress causes the production of additional stomach acid. > > We don't have a stomach acid problem, but this just adds to the overload of Hyaluronan that we already have. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Anne: I thought that stress ceased stomach acid production. Stress->high cortisol->impaired digestion o > > Nil, we have found that stress causes the production of additional stomach acid. > > We don't have a stomach acid problem, but this just adds to the overload of Hyaluronan that we already have. > > During times of stress we just increase the amount of alkali (in our method TUMS). and if necessary, a little more Guaifenesin. > > Works like a charm. > > Before we learned this, stress would add acid, we would feel worse, then that lead to really feeling bad and disability, pain, etc. > > Anne Hillebrand > > www.FibroFix.com > > > Adrenlaine and infections > > > > > > > > Several years ago there was an article in New Scientist. Researchers > > had found that Chlaymedia Pneumonia and Mycoplasma Pneumonia growth > > rate increased by 1000x in 24 hours in the presence of adrenlaine. > > > > This has been one reason we keep lots of rosavin around -- it is a > > stress modifier and appears to down regulate adrenlaine release... > > \very sweet > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jill1313 [mailto:jenbooks13@h...] > > > I'm saying that real infections are at the root and although > > obviously > > > stress has a role in illness (and in health), that it is simply an > > > exacerbating factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Aren't Tums loaded with Talc as a primary ingredient? This is a carcinogenic product that is the cause of much breast, ovarian and uterine cancer in women who use talc powder under their arms and vaginal area!!! A lot of makeup uses talc as a primary ingredient also. in La Selva Beach CA Adrenlaine and infections > > > Several years ago there was an article in New Scientist. Researchers > had found that Chlaymedia Pneumonia and Mycoplasma Pneumonia growth > rate increased by 1000x in 24 hours in the presence of adrenlaine. > > This has been one reason we keep lots of rosavin around -- it is a > stress modifier and appears to down regulate adrenlaine release... > \very sweet > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jill1313 [mailto:jenbooks13@h...] > > I'm saying that real infections are at the root and although > obviously > > stress has a role in illness (and in health), that it is simply an > > exacerbating factor. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 TUMS are mostly calcium carbonate, sucrose, corn starch, some talc, mineral oil, natural and artificial flavors. If you use talcum powder, now that has a lot of talc. Not neutralizing the excess HA would leave me with ulcerated esophagus and ulcerative gastritis most likely. Not too worried about the small amount of talc. Isn't the concern with talc from women using baby powder on their female parts? And some feel that it was a cause not an effect? In other words, if women were unhealthy (precancerous) they were more apt to use baby powder there? Because it would seem almost impossible for baby powder to travel upward to the reproductive organs from that location. Too much natural moisture on the way out. Anne H Adrenlaine and infections > > > Several years ago there was an article in New Scientist. Researchers > had found that Chlaymedia Pneumonia and Mycoplasma Pneumonia growth > rate increased by 1000x in 24 hours in the presence of adrenlaine. > > This has been one reason we keep lots of rosavin around -- it is a > stress modifier and appears to down regulate adrenlaine release... > \very sweet > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jill1313 [mailto:jenbooks13@h...] > > I'm saying that real infections are at the root and although > obviously > > stress has a role in illness (and in health), that it is simply an > > exacerbating factor. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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