Re: Boswellic ( throw in some ECGC/tumeric/ quercitin! ) smiles

March 5, 2005

Thankyou to tansyap for the kind reply per Boswellic efficacy. I

too, take Bromelain, tansyap.... And thankyou to shogi64 for the

great link, and suggestion to add the tumeric as well quercitin. I

understand the synergy of herbs as they work together, but have gone

back to square one, adding ONE at a time to see how it affects me. I

am so plagued with chemical sensitivites! Will let the group know

what happens with the Boswellia; it arrived just this minute in the

mail. btw... got DOSAGE info on it, anyone?

I am VERY interested the the ECGC mentioned by shogi in post below:

" I am thinking about adding ECGC (the active ingredient of green tea

polyphenols--

seems to be alot of good papers out there on this, do search on tea

polyphenols STAT1)--wondering what others would think about this... "

Sounds good to me... off to do some research on it.

" May you always know the truth, and see the LIGHTS surrounding you "

~~~ dylan

nina smiles

Great post Nina!,

> I found boswellic acid under a google search for boswellin and

they

> had a nice graph showing inhibition of HLE.

> http://www.boswellin.com/Mechanism-2.htm

> Was not aware of the above as it was not in DeMeirLeir's book!

Been

> taking it along with curcurmin (tumeric) and quercitin as

boswellic

> acid is a 5-LOX inhibitor. If you are going to blockade the

> inflammatory pathway it makes sense to hit COX-2 as well, hence

the

> rationale for the other 2 additions. At any rate, I have noted

that

> the hot flashes I used to get periodically have all but resolved

> since starting these. Also added boswellic acid to the database

list

> and hoping that others will do the same! Apologies to Kat about

the

> doxy and sinusitus--appears to be a great choice. I am thinking

> about adding ECGC (the active ingredient of green tea polyphenols--

> seems to be alot of good papers out there on this, do search on

tea

> polyphenols STAT1)--wondering what others would think about this...

March 5, 2005

Hi Nina

The two products I have used were 500mg Boswellia (Boswellic Acids

65%). I quickly built my dose up to 1 tid and stayed there for some

months, then I lowered it to 1 bid, then just one each day. I stopped

it a little while ago in case it was affecting my immune response to

the borrrelia etc; I am on a samento based protocol, but may go back

onto the boswellia again. I have just ordered turmeric and intended

using that alongside the bromelain. I will wait to see how that goes,

and if I tolerate it, before adding the boswellia again if it still

seems worthwhile. With limited finances it always seems to be a

matter of juggling everything on an ongoing basis.

I just drink decaf organic green tea, I am not aware of any obvious

benefits though.

Cheers, Tansy

>

> Thankyou to tansyap for the kind reply per Boswellic efficacy. I

> too, take Bromelain, tansyap.... And thankyou to shogi64 for the

> great link, and suggestion to add the tumeric as well quercitin. I

> understand the synergy of herbs as they work together, but have

gone

> back to square one, adding ONE at a time to see how it affects me.

I

> am so plagued with chemical sensitivites! Will let the group know

> what happens with the Boswellia; it arrived just this minute in the

> mail. btw... got DOSAGE info on it, anyone?

>

> I am VERY interested the the ECGC mentioned by shogi in post below:

>

> " I am thinking about adding ECGC (the active ingredient of green

tea

> polyphenols--

> seems to be alot of good papers out there on this, do search on tea

> polyphenols STAT1)--wondering what others would think about this... "

>

> Sounds good to me... off to do some research on it.

>

> " May you always know the truth, and see the LIGHTS surrounding you "

> ~~~ dylan

>

> nina smiles

>

> Great post Nina!,

> > I found boswellic acid under a google search for boswellin and

> they

> > had a nice graph showing inhibition of HLE.

> > http://www.boswellin.com/Mechanism-2.htm

> > Was not aware of the above as it was not in DeMeirLeir's book!

> Been

> > taking it along with curcurmin (tumeric) and quercitin as

> boswellic

> > acid is a 5-LOX inhibitor. If you are going to blockade the

> > inflammatory pathway it makes sense to hit COX-2 as well, hence

> the

> > rationale for the other 2 additions. At any rate, I have noted

> that

> > the hot flashes I used to get periodically have all but resolved

> > since starting these. Also added boswellic acid to the database

> list

> > and hoping that others will do the same! Apologies to Kat about

> the

> > doxy and sinusitus--appears to be a great choice. I am thinking

> > about adding ECGC (the active ingredient of green tea polyphenols-

-

> > seems to be alot of good papers out there on this, do search on

> tea

> > polyphenols STAT1)--wondering what others would think about

this...

March 7, 2005

> >

> > Thankyou to tansyap for the kind reply per Boswellic efficacy. I

> > too, take Bromelain, tansyap.... And thankyou to shogi64 for the

> > great link, and suggestion to add the tumeric as well quercitin.

I

> > understand the synergy of herbs as they work together, but have

> gone

> > back to square one, adding ONE at a time to see how it affects

me.

> I

> > am so plagued with chemical sensitivites! Will let the group know

> > what happens with the Boswellia; it arrived just this minute in

the

> > mail. btw... got DOSAGE info on it, anyone?

> >

hi group (Nina, Tansy)

Re: boswellia extract dosage, I am using Source naturals brand which

is 375 mg (262 mg of boswellic acids) and seem to do well on 1 BID

(twice a day). I'm a PWC. (seems this is a heterogenous group, not

only CFIDS, Lyme, syndrome etc., I also realize everybody

reacts differently to meds).

Cognition really improved with the Piracetam.

I think ALC and L-carnitine very impt. also (fatigue), hydroxy or

methylcobalomin (B12) sq or add high dose to IV (one study showed

restoration of RBC shape with regular B12 injections), agree with all

the Vit D discussion (very impt for immune function). Also do low

dose cortisol (very different from prednisone)--dirt cheap, 20 mg tab

take 1/2 tab only in AM as I am convinced CFIDS has mild to

significant hypodrenal (addison's like) aspect, which like Cheney I

believe goes all the way back to the hypothalamus...

After I got CFIDS my testosterone went off the chart. (also made in

adrenal). Maybe I'm velvetbean/horny goat weed deficient, or is it

dear antler?

( " Safe Uses of Cortisol " 2nd Ed. Jeffries, MD)

I take T3LA 60 mcg but can't argue with somebody taking armour. I

just tend to shy away from glandulars, last thing I need is some

Prion! i don't do fish oils either (Barry Sears goes through some

long drawn out extraction process to get all the dioxins, mercury,

PCB's etc out of fish oil besides charging a small fortune); good

literature support for EPA and DHA, so I tend to stay with the plants

(eat low on the food chain so they say--but I quit going as low as

the chlorella!), organic flax oil 1200 mg daily (Nature's bounty) and

Omega 3-6-9 (Now) all from iherb since they seem to be the cheapest

source I have found. Add all the antioxidants you can handle, esp

ALA, C as tolerated at a minimum. Went off GH about a year ago, and

I'm missing it. Time to order another boatload, injections just seem

to be an unfortunate necessity. Can't comment on DHEA in women, what

do you take- pregnenalone?

I do the bromelain thing along with the Natto, quit the

wobenzym...i'll post my meal replacement shake someday...everything

in moderation. Sympathize with the MCS.

Why is Nina always smiling?? ;-)

March 7, 2005

Shogi64, ty for your help!

I pasted your post below. I have begun the Boswellia and find it

benign and helpful. I do take B12 injections but wonder if the type

is " good enough " : cyanocobalimin? Is all I can afford, anyway.

I have been on Cortef for three years. But I have lost access to the

physician who had ordered it. New doc: " I am NOT prescribing you

ANY antibiotics or STEROIDS " , in a rather aggressive and demeaning

tone. sheesh

He just switched me from 2 Grains of Armour to 1 G Armour plus 10

mcg of Cytomel. I have no idea what his logic is. His first move was

to take me off thyroid altogether. I became extremely ill, so he

graciously let me resume it...ahem. Today I found out he has no

intention of increasing the Cytomel. He has told me to drop the

Armour. (GACK!) ( And, soooo Virginia, we arrive at the WHY of

nina's SMILE. She is smiling all the time to prove she can, to prove

that ignorance, abandonment by the medical profession, poverty and

loss of friends and family CANNOT HAVE HER SMILE! I asked her if she

FELT like smiling all the time, and she said, " Double L, no! " , but

that when she smiles first, oftentimes the feeling follows. )

DHEA: Women should " use with caution " and take 5 to 15 mg. of DHEA,

per the " Pill Book Guide to Natural Medicines " , author:

Murray. Other sources say the same thing : " Men 40 to 50 yrs old

take 15 to 25 mg. and men over 50 take 25 to 50 mg. " Murray's book

also says, " people with systemic lupus... and other autoimmune

diseases seem to require high doses, 100-200 mg. a day. Such high

levels should never be taken without medical supervision. "

Note: acne is the bane of this supplement for many women!

I take a compounded troche of DHEA/pregnenolone. And was initially

prescribed 20 mg a day. But reduced that dose immediately to about 5

mg a day for the last three years. Because new doc will not help me,

I am moving to an OTC brand this week. I think of it as one of my

ESSENTIAL meds...and I HATE zits.

Oh! Just did a search on Piracetam! yipeeeeeee! ( I am easily

amused, lol.) I mean, rather, that this sounds like something I want

to TRY! tytyty, Shogi! Got more info? I am VERY new to trying to

heal myself here. And very isolated. So all ideas are welcome.

Just found this as well! A LIQUID is another NEW idea to me! I

LIKE this! >>>>>>

" DHEA* Liquid (1 drop = 4 mg)

DHEA is controlled in Australia, Canada, Norway 2200 mg 14 ML

$44.95 "

The site listing DHEA says... " US citizens may legally import a 3

month supply of medicine under FDA regulations " If this is so, what

about prescription meds? I see Doxycycline listed among things this

outfit sells.. hmmm If I can find ANY source of LEGAL Ampicillin I

would be delighted. Got info?

" Got Bromelain " , nina says, and then wanders off mumbling " Natto,

Natto...what in the sam hill is Natto? "

" May you always know the truth, and see the LIGHTS surrounding

you... " ~~~ dylan

nina smiles

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