Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hi Yes there is gluten in oats. Tansy > In a message dated 2/5/2005 7:04:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, > blanket@t... writes: > Gluten is in wheat, rye, barley and oats. > Are you sure it is in oats? Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Gluten is not in pure oats. But oat products are often contaminated with wheat, due to being processed in the same plant. Also, some people with gluten intolerance, do have oat intolerance. Studies should that some celiacs do tolerate oats, so if you aren't actually gluten intolerant, you could consider first cutting out gluten, and only later cutting out oats, and see if the oats makes any difference. > > In a message dated 2/5/2005 7:04:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > blanket@t... writes: > > Gluten is in wheat, rye, barley and oats. > > Are you sure it is in oats? Thanks! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 >Gluten is not in pure oats. Gluten IS found in oats and not as a contaminant from wheat. It has far less than wheat. Other cereals that contain gluten: rye and barley Gluten-free : rice, buckwheat, quinoa, sweet corn (maize), millet. Nelly (gluten intolerant/allergic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 > Gluten IS found in oats and not as a contaminant from wheat. It has far less than wheat. You've been given wrong information. PUBMED is the best source of the correct information. See here for all the studies on oats and celiac: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed & term=oats+cel\ iac Here's the first study of the hits you will get from the above web page: PLoS Med. 2004 Oct;1(1):e1. Epub 2004 Oct 19. Related Articles, Links The Molecular Basis for Oat Intolerance in Patients with Celiac Disease. Arentz-Hansen H, Fleckenstein B, Molberg O, H, Koning F, Jung G, Roepstorff P, Lundin KE, Sollid LM. Institute of Immunology, Rikshospitalet University Hospital, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway. BACKGROUND: Celiac disease is a small intestinal inflammatory disorder characterized by malabsorption, nutrient deficiency, and a range of clinical manifestations. It is caused by an inappropriate immune response to dietary gluten and is treated with a gluten-free diet. Recent feeding studies have indicated oats to be safe for celiac disease patients, and oats are now often included in the celiac disease diet. This study aimed to investigate whether oat intolerance exists in celiac disease and to characterize the cells and processes underlying this intolerance. METHODS AND FINDINGS: We selected for study nine adults with celiac disease who had a history of oats exposure. Four of the patients had clinical symptoms on an oats-containing diet, and three of these four patients had intestinal inflammation typical of celiac disease at the time of oats exposure. We established oats-avenin-specific and -reactive intestinal T-cell lines from these three patients, as well as from two other patients who appeared to tolerate oats. The avenin-reactive T-cell lines recognized avenin peptides in the context of HLA-DQ2. These peptides have sequences rich in proline and glutamine residues closely resembling wheat gluten epitopes. Deamidation (glutamine-->glutamic acid conversion) by tissue transglutaminase was involved in the avenin epitope formation. CONCLUSIONS: We conclude that some celiac disease patients have avenin-reactive mucosal T-cells that can cause mucosal inflammation. Oat intolerance may be a reason for villous atrophy and inflammation in patients with celiac disease who are eating oats but otherwise are adhering to a strict gluten-free diet. Clinical follow-up of celiac disease patients eating oats is advisable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 http://gut.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/52/11/1649 I have not " been given " the wrong info. I have a Pubmed window open permanently I am forever doing searches. I am well aware that in the last couple of years there have been a crop of studies that claimed that coeliacs can include a varying quantity of oats into their diets. BUT I have not been convinced, I certainly cannot eat oats and if you check out the study (link above) you will see that it is not as simple as you make it out to be. I persist: oats do contain gluten (or a type of gluten) and it certainly affects me. Nelly Re: Is Gluten in oats? > Gluten IS found in oats and not as a contaminant from wheat. It has far less than wheat. You've been given wrong information. PUBMED is the best source of the correct information. See here for all the studies on oats and celiac: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed & term=oats+cel\ iac Here's the first study of the hits you will get from the above web page: PLoS Med. 2004 Oct;1(1):e1. Epub 2004 Oct 19. Related Articles, Links The Molecular Basis for Oat Intolerance in Patients with Celiac Disease. Arentz-Hansen H, Fleckenstein B, Molberg O, H, Koning F, Jung G, Roepstorff P, Lundin KE, Sollid LM. Institute of Immunology, Rikshospitalet University Hospital, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway. BACKGROUND: Celiac disease is a small intestinal inflammatory disorder characterized by malabsorption, nutrient deficiency, and a range of clinical manifestations. It is caused by an inappropriate immune response to dietary gluten and is treated with a gluten-free diet. Recent feeding studies have indicated oats to be safe for celiac disease patients, and oats are now often included in the celiac disease diet. This study aimed to investigate whether oat intolerance exists in celiac disease and to characterize the cells and processes underlying this intolerance. METHODS AND FINDINGS: We selected for study nine adults with celiac disease who had a history of oats exposure. Four of the patients had clinical symptoms on an oats-containing diet, and three of these four patients had intestinal inflammation typical of celiac disease at the time of oats exposure. We established oats-avenin-specific and -reactive intestinal T-cell lines from these three patients, as well as from two other patients who appeared to tolerate oats. The avenin-reactive T-cell lines recognized avenin peptides in the context of HLA-DQ2. These peptides have sequences rich in proline and glutamine residues closely resembling wheat gluten epitopes. Deamidation (glutamine-->glutamic acid conversion) by tissue transglutaminase was involved in the avenin epitope formation. CONCLUSIONS: We conclude that some celiac disease patients have avenin-reactive mucosal T-cells that can cause mucosal inflammation. Oat intolerance may be a reason for villous atrophy and inflammation in patients with celiac disease who are eating oats but otherwise are adhering to a strict gluten-free diet. Clinical follow-up of celiac disease patients eating oats is advisable. This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 While Oats appear to be far less allergenic that wheat, oats do contain one form of gluten and most of those who are gluten sensitive, including myself, can not tolerate any oats. Regards, Blake www.nutritional-healing.com.au Inthepresent@... wrote: >In a message dated 2/5/2005 7:04:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, >blanket@... writes: >Gluten is in wheat, rye, barley and oats. >Are you sure it is in oats? Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 The study you quote, doesn't say that oats contain gluten. Oats contain a prolamine protein (avenin) which is similar to gliadin, the prolamine found in gluten. Because of the similarity, people who are gluten intolerant, may also be oat intolerant. But saying that oats contain gluten is inaccurate. And although some celiacs might be " prolamine " intolerant, not everyone is: " Avenin fails to induce a Th1 response in coeliac tissue following in vitro culture. " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\ ct & list_uids=12477758 While it might be prudent for celiacs to avoid oats, if they aren't sure whether they can tolerate it or not, there are also a lot of people who are not celiacs, who still find they do better when they avoid gluten. For those people, there is much less reason to tell them that they should also avoid oats. So that's why I believe it's important to make the distinction, and have the person decide for themselves whether oats are a problem or not. > > Gluten IS found in oats and not as a contaminant from wheat. It has > far less than wheat. > > You've been given wrong information. PUBMED is the best source of the > correct information. See here for all the studies on oats and celiac: > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed & term=oats+cel\ iac > > Here's the first study of the hits you will get from the above web page: > > PLoS Med. 2004 Oct;1(1):e1. Epub 2004 Oct 19. Related Articles, Links > > The Molecular Basis for Oat Intolerance in Patients with Celiac > Disease. > > Arentz-Hansen H, Fleckenstein B, Molberg O, H, Koning F, > Jung G, Roepstorff P, Lundin KE, Sollid LM. > > Institute of Immunology, Rikshospitalet University Hospital, > University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway. > > BACKGROUND: Celiac disease is a small intestinal inflammatory > disorder characterized by malabsorption, nutrient deficiency, and a > range of clinical manifestations. It is caused by an inappropriate > immune response to dietary gluten and is treated with a gluten-free > diet. Recent feeding studies have indicated oats to be safe for celiac > disease patients, and oats are now often included in the celiac > disease diet. This study aimed to investigate whether oat intolerance > exists in celiac disease and to characterize the cells and processes > underlying this intolerance. METHODS AND FINDINGS: We selected for > study nine adults with celiac disease who had a history of oats > exposure. Four of the patients had clinical symptoms on an > oats-containing diet, and three of these four patients had intestinal > inflammation typical of celiac disease at the time of oats exposure. > We established oats-avenin-specific and -reactive intestinal T-cell > lines from these three patients, as well as from two other patients > who appeared to tolerate oats. The avenin-reactive T-cell lines > recognized avenin peptides in the context of HLA-DQ2. These peptides > have sequences rich in proline and glutamine residues closely > resembling wheat gluten epitopes. Deamidation (glutamine-->glutamic > acid conversion) by tissue transglutaminase was involved in the avenin > epitope formation. CONCLUSIONS: We conclude that some celiac disease > patients have avenin-reactive mucosal T-cells that can cause mucosal > inflammation. Oat intolerance may be a reason for villous atrophy and > inflammation in patients with celiac disease who are eating oats but > otherwise are adhering to a strict gluten-free diet. Clinical > follow-up of celiac disease patients eating oats is advisable. > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 >Oats >contain a prolamine protein (avenin) which is similar to gliadin, the >prolamine found in gluten. OK we agree, that's what I mean by " type of gluten " it was a short cut as I can't type much. In any case, I used to be able to eat gluten (wheat) and oats and although I am not an " official celiac " I get really bad with diarrhea and vertigo if I touch oats, wheat, barley or rye. In fact I can't see why it is so hard to avoid oats if you are already avoiding wheat, why take the risk? Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I may have been the person who started this thread. I eat oats every day and I don't have any intestinal symptoms since I started the flax oil. I also eat whole wheat bread a lot. Therefore, I will assume that I am not gluten intolerant. Thanks for all of the commentary. Mike C. In , " Nelly Pointis " <janel@p...> wrote: > >Oats > >contain a prolamine protein (avenin) which is similar to gliadin, the > >prolamine found in gluten. > > OK we agree, that's what I mean by " type of gluten " it was a short cut as I can't type much. In any case, I used to be able to eat gluten (wheat) and oats and although I am not an " official celiac " I get really bad with diarrhea and vertigo if I touch oats, wheat, barley or rye. In fact I can't see why it is so hard to avoid oats if you are already avoiding wheat, why take the risk? > > Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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