Feeling better since stopping whey protein

January 8, 2005

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Dan wrote: " Hope you're feeling better... "

Hi Dan!

I AM feeling much better since I stopped taking a teaspoon a day

of PMN non-denatured whey protein. So I'm suspecting it as the

culprit for my crippling flu-like muscle and joint pain and

fatigue.

But there were so many other variables at the time that I'm

going to have to conduct another experiement with the whey. I

also had a flu shot, and found mold in the bathroom that I had

to clean up.

So I'm going to wait until I can afford to be sick for a couple

of days and then try the whey protein again.

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January 8, 2005

Sleepless,

The way I understand whey protein effects is that it builds our

glutathione and when it does, its role as the " master detoxifier " is

to detox what is ailing us -- and this is where we feel some

reactions to this " killing off what shouldn't be there. " I had a

similar reaction when I first started Metagenics Undenatured Whey

Protein. I started with 2 scoops, but could not tolerate the

reactions. I knew I needed to take it, as Dr. Hoekstra had written

about how it can reduce certain bad organisms to normal range. I'd

already had a really bad reaction to taking abx for the problem, but

needed to take something to do the job. I tolerated the one scoop

ok, and things got tolerable. Six months after I had begun taking

it, my physician redid my tests, and sure enough, the respiratory

organism (very resistant) was under control.

I encourage you, if you have some left, to try it again -- only this

time start at a fraction of what you had used before. If you stay

on the smallest tolerable dose, before long it will have done (most

probably) what it needed to do. You are probably very toxic, and

this may be the reason for your very uncomfortable reaction.

bg

" Hope you're feeling better... "

>

> Hi Dan!

>

> I AM feeling much better since I stopped taking a teaspoon a day

> of PMN non-denatured whey protein. So I'm suspecting it as the

> culprit for my crippling flu-like muscle and joint pain and

> fatigue.

>

> But there were so many other variables at the time that I'm

> going to have to conduct another experiement with the whey. I

> also had a flu shot, and found mold in the bathroom that I had

> to clean up.

>

> So I'm going to wait until I can afford to be sick for a couple

> of days and then try the whey protein again.

>

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January 8, 2005

my replies below...

" Hope you're feeling better... "

>

> Hi Dan!

>

> I AM feeling much better since I stopped taking a teaspoon a

day

> of PMN non-denatured whey protein. So I'm suspecting it as

the

> culprit for my crippling flu-like muscle and joint pain and

> fatigue.

Well, I guess that is more proof that what helps one, might make

another much worse. A teaspoon! That is amazing.

Reminds me of grapefruit seed extract. My sis just

recommended that for me today - as I have a wonderful sinus

infection and scratchy throat -- but I tried that 2-3 years ago for

candida or what-ever, and it just made me intensely cold from

head to toe (it's a very bitter substance), and made my anxiety,

etc., much worse -- yet others swear by it.

>

> But there were so many other variables at the time that I'm

> going to have to conduct another experiement with the whey. I

> also had a flu shot, and found mold in the bathroom that I had

> to clean up.

What did you use to clean the mold? Not bleach I wouldn't think?

I have it on my shower curtain ever since my landlord removed

the bathroom fan a MONTH ago for repair. I'll probably just throw

it in the washing machine with some hydrogen peroxide???

A flu shot? I've read of some folks thinking they got cfs from flu

shots. ANYWAY, good to hear you're feeling better!

d.

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January 9, 2005

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From: " bsgttx " <bsgttx@...>

The way I understand whey protein effects is that it builds our

glutathione and when it does, its role as the " master detoxifier " is

to detox what is ailing us -- and this is where we feel some

reactions to this " killing off what shouldn't be there. "

bg,

That's the theory, but as I've pointed out before, there is a problem in

relating it to the practice.

The early proponents of whey as a means of increasing glutathione said

that it would take about six months to raise cellular glutathione. The

snag is that people taking undenatured whey experience the strong reaction

as soon as it gets into the bloodstream, so if whey does increase

glutathione, we'd need to look for other evidence for it. The timing of

this reaction is all wrong and it must be due to the action of other

active ingredients.

Rob

January 9, 2005

The first time I tried whey protein, for about 6 months, I kept getting worse

and worse on it no matter what I did. I kept tapering back the dose until I

was taking almost nothing, but still kept getting worse. I had a giant

mysterious lump in my armpit for awhile and exceptionally swollen lymph nodes

for

long after I stopped, and the crash from that original whey experience lasted

and lasted. I thought it had made me permanently worse, and I'm still not sure

it didn't, years later.

Later, I slowley began using Metal-Free, the mercury detoxifier Cheney was

using at the time. Again, I could tolerate very little of it, but I managed to

build up quite a bit. After I took that for about 9 months and, I'm guessing,

excreted some mercury but I can't be sure, I was able to tolerate the whey.

I now can tolerate up to a scoop a day of whey with no problem.

I think for some of us whey detoxes things too rapidly, and actually makes us

much worse. If this is the case, though, I think one should definitely look

into mercury as a possibility (I never had a positive test for mercury either,

but I never test positive for anything and think most toxins in my body are

just too deeply bound up to show up on tests; however, I just felt strongly

that it was/is an issue due to having 11 fillings removed, so I went ahead with

the treatment anyway).

Peggy

January 9, 2005

Rob,

I believe either Dr. Hoekstra or Dr. Cheney, or both, said that in 6

months taking undenatured whey protein that it will actually

increase glutathione enough (or do something) that it will get c.

pneumoniae under control. And, it did just that in my case. My

physician documented this by a test before we started (not just for

my taking the whey protein, he wanted to know the results of some

tests for me and did them). When I told him what I'd read about it

routing our the c. pneu. organism in 6 months, he said we were going

to check that out and marked my chart and he retested me after that

length of time -- and BINGO, it did what I read it would do. So, I

don't believe it takes 6 months for it to start building

glutathione -- in me, anyway, I'm happy to say.

bg

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " bsgttx " <bsgttx@c...>

>

> The way I understand whey protein effects is that it builds our

> glutathione and when it does, its role as the " master detoxifier "

is

> to detox what is ailing us -- and this is where we feel some

> reactions to this " killing off what shouldn't be there. "

>

> bg,

>

> That's the theory, but as I've pointed out before, there is a

problem in

> relating it to the practice.

>

> The early proponents of whey as a means of increasing glutathione

said

> that it would take about six months to raise cellular glutathione.

The

> snag is that people taking undenatured whey experience the strong

reaction

> as soon as it gets into the bloodstream, so if whey does increase

> glutathione, we'd need to look for other evidence for it. The

timing of

> this reaction is all wrong and it must be due to the action of

other

> active ingredients.

>

> Rob

January 9, 2005

bg,

I'm not disputing that undenatured whey can raise glutathione levels. I

was responding to the claim that the evidence for it is the reaction that

PWC can get when taking it. Glutathione, if I remember rightly, is

manufactured inside cells and it takes time, yet the reaction happens

bigtime as soon as the whey hits the bloodstream. That must be caused by

another mechanism and I've made some suggestions in the past -- from

memory, immunoglobulins or ferrolactin, but I don't have an ingredients

list here.