Re: MODERATOR: Is Right about Immunics, Founders were Former Cult Leaders

[Guest guest]

, I've concluded Ken is right. Not only your own friend in

Florida's experience, but look at what a simple web search turned up

on Bayard & Frannie Hora, the " founders " of immunics...they

were on the list of Cult Awareness Network as former Bayard Hora

Associates/Nexus/Direct Centering...they have been in trouble for

cult behavior before, so I really do think Ken's instincts on this

one are right. There's too much gunk around a good insight that

anybody here familiar with muscle testing could do on their own.

In terms of lymefree, who knows, I now have their material, at least

the cured patients have their pictures and signed affidavits on their

testimonials, which carries more integrity than the usual approach.

I am going to try 4 sessions and if it's okay with Ken will report

back if I feel it helped at all. If it didn't help, I won't report

anything. Blier did have ankylosing sponditis, and used a few

treatments, including Dr. Ongley's therapy, which was physical. Ken,

let me know. And I Hope you do let this post through as I am

concerned for those who are innocently involved in immunics, some of

whom post on this list. Thanx! No more discussion from me on

immunics.

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Greenberg, a former member of Bayard Hora Associates, which

offered so-called business training courses, told how he took that

organization to small claims court and won, mostly without help from

legal experts. A former group member and another cult expert helped

get Greenberg out of the group. Greenberg waited nine more months,

until he was more settled and clearer in his own mind about what he

had been through, before deciding to take Bayard Hora to small claims

court. (Greenberg's claim totaled less than$5,000.)

Greenberg sought advice from lawyers but did most of the leg work,

such as looking up case law, to bolster his claim. He also assembled

evidence, such as writings of the groups leader, to demonstrate that

group leadership routinely deceived clients and encouraged followers

such as Greenberg to mislead others into taking courses.He won a

default judgment from the Philadelphia small claims court, because no

one from Bayard Hora showed up to contest his claim.

Winning a judgment and collecting it, though, turned out to be two

different things. The group engaged in a host of maneuvers to block

Greenberg from collecting, including claiming they had not received

proper notice of the legal proceedings and emptying their bank

accounts.Greenberg eventually won a break-in order, allowing him and

the sheriff to enter Bayard Hora property to inventory what could be

sold to satisfy the judgment. After losing a request for an

injunction to block the break-in order, the group and Greenberg

settled.

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From: Larry Auerbach (laarree@...)

Subject: Re: The Forum, Lifespring, Zen, est, enlightenment,

psychotherapy,brainwashing & clam chowder

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Newsgroups: alt.support.ex-cult

Date: 1997/05/04

O. West wrote:

> ...

> I got a flyer from a former 'est' graduate in the Bay Area

> a little later, talking about a new course. She didn't

> identify who was behind it, but it had to be Charlene. The

> big draw was that to increase the level of their 6-day

> course, they did the bathing-suit process - in which, at

> est, about 1/10 of the class would stand in front of the

> room to present their bodies for examination - they did

> that process stark naked. I think the training was called

> " Nexus, " or something of the sort.

> ....

Nexus wasn't Charlene; Nexus was originally called Direct

Centering, which originated in New York City in 1976, which

offered its own set of basic and advanced workshops created

by Werner-wannabe Bayard /Hora. They had the naked process

in one of their advanced workshops. Lots of former est-folk

at Nexus/Direct Centering. The group crumbled and underwent a

mutation into something like " Oreaku " and was seducing new

meat in New Mexico the last I heard. Truly a group that epitomized

the definition of " destructive cult " offered in countercult

movement literature.

> It's described in the book " The Pit: a group encounter defiled, "

> which was also made into a movie.

A movie?!? Is it availabe on video anywhere? I have the book in xerox

form, truly a wild tale.

Larry Auerbach