Re: Whey protein/excitotoxicity... Rich?

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

What Dr. Blaylock is saying is that people should avoid any protein,

including whey protein, that has been processed by hydrolyzing.

This breaks the protein down and makes amino acids like glutamic

acid more rapidly absorbable and perhaps more concentrated,

depending on the processing used, and that can promote

excitotoxicity.

He is saying that " whole protein " is O.K. Nondenatured whey protein

is a " whole protein. "

I think that the only issues with taking nondenatured whey protein

are as follows:

1. If a person has an allergy specifically to whey protein (not

necessarily the same as an allergy to milk, since casein is also

present in milk, and the allergy may be to casein rather than to

whey proteins), then all whey protein should be avoided.

2. If a person has a lot of mercury in their body, then it's

possible that taking nondenatured whey protein could raise the level

of cysteine in the blood, because mercury inhibits the enzyme that

uses cysteine to make glutathione. It's wise to test for mercury

and also to check the cysteine level in the blood periodically when

taking nondenatured whey protein. Cysteine is a neurotoxin if it

gets too high. It's also possible to mobilize the mercury and move

it into the brain if the cysteine level rises too much.

3. If a person's glutathione has been low for an extended period of

time, there could be a large body burden of various toxins as well

as entrenched infections, since glutathione normally works to combat

these things. In this case, it's a good idea to start at low

dosages of nondenatured whey protein to see how the body responds,

and then work up slowly as it is found to be tolerated. There could

be unpleasant Herxheimer reactions if the glutathione level is

brought up too fast.

The fact that you were taking nondenatured whey protein for six

months suggests to me that you must not have had any of these

problems, or you probably would have noticed them and stopped, or

reduced your dosage, at least. So I would guess from what you've

reported that nondenatured whey protein is O.K. for you.

On the problem with sunlight, I agree that it would be a good idea

to have your vitamin D metabolites tested, as recommended by Dr.

Trevor Marshall, to see if you are one of the people who has the

genetic problem that leads to the perpetuation of infection by cell-

wall-deficient bacteria. Does exposure to sunlight itself, even

when your eyes are protected, still cause you to have symptoms

afterward? If so, this is a clue that you may have the vitamin D

genetic problem Dr. Marshall has described. If so, you should also

avoid milk and breakfast cereals that have been fortified with

vitamin D, as well as supplements containing vitamin D.

It's also possible that you have photosensitivity. Do you also have

very sensitive hearing (hyperacusis)? Some PWCs have very acute

hearing and are very sensitive to light. I think this results from

hypersensitivity of the nervous system. The firing threshold for

nerve impulses (action potentials) is lower than normal in these

PWCs. This is the same phenomenon as described by Dr. Cheney when

he talks about excitotoxicity or having the operating point of the

neurons moved more toward the seizure end of the coma--seizure

line. I think this is caused by too low a production of ATP in the

nervous system, as a result of partial blockades in the oxidative

metabolism of cells there, in turn as a result of glutathione

depletion and the consequent rise of peroxynitrite.

Rich

>

> Hi Rich,

>

> whey protein is said to be the best supplement to take to raise

> glutathione levels. I took it for about 6 months and then stoppped

> taking it because of some info I read about amino acids on the

> internet.

>

> I read that glutamate is an excitotoxin and whey protein contains

L-

> glutamic acid.

> On this page: http://www.holisticmed.com/add/blaylock.html , dr.

> Blaylock, a neurosurgeon says whey protein has to be avoided

because

> it promotes excitotoxicity.

>

> Apparantly some amino acids which are added to food for flavor can

> cause excitotoxicity:

http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_brain_damage.htm

>

> I would have thought that taking whey protein would be just as

safe

> as eating an egg, only it would contain even more protein.

>

> Cheney and Pall both say cfs patients already have excitotoxicity,

> so we should definitely not take anything which would make it

worse.

>

> Do you think whey protein is completely safe to take?

>

> By the way, when I go outside I always have to put on sunglasses,

> even if it is completely cloudy, I just can´t tolerate the light,

it

> troubles my vision and makes me feel nauseous, this is very

> depressing and scary, could this light intolerance be due to

> excitotoxicity?

>

> Thank you in advance and for all your great help on the

groups!

>

> Take care,

>

> R.

[Guest guest]

Hi bg and Rich,

thanks for your replies!

Rich, thanks for clearing up the issue about the whey protein and

excitotoxicity.

Sometimes these things can get confusing for us laymen.

I am having an oxidative stress test done this month, including

oxidized and reduced glutathione, it is good to know that it is safe

to take whey protein again if this will be necessary, which I guess

it will be.

I had a melisa (http://www.melisa.org/) test done by prof. De

Meirleir, it measures the reaction of white blood cells to metals,

it was normal.

I don´t know if they measure the actual amount of heavy metals like

mercury in this test or just how your white blood cells react to

them.

Unfortunately getting cysteine levels in my blood checked while

taking whey protein to make sure they don´t rise too high will be

impossible for me, my GP even refused to have a normal blood test

done last time I saw him, I can already imagine the astonishment on

his face if I were to ask him to have cysteine levels tested.

I have no problems with sun exposure in the summer when I wear

sunglasses or close my eyes.

In fact I find the heat of the sun on my body pleasant, the only

problem I have with outdoors light is through my eyes, even when the

sun is completely behind the clouds.

I don´t have any real trouble with my hearing and can tolerate music

pretty good, but when several people are in a room together and they

all start talking at the same time I do get nauseous from this.

I read that Cheney recommends taking magnesium and Klonopin for the

hypersensitivity of the nervous system, I have been taking magnesium

orally for about two years now, it helps a little bit, but not

enough unfortunately. I tried Klonopin once but I had a strange

reaction to it and stopped taking it.

Thank you again for your help!

Take care,

R.

> >

> > Hi Rich,

> >

> > whey protein is said to be the best supplement to take to raise

> > glutathione levels. I took it for about 6 months and then

stoppped

> > taking it because of some info I read about amino acids on the

> > internet.

> >

> > I read that glutamate is an excitotoxin and whey protein

contains

> L-

> > glutamic acid.

> > On this page: http://www.holisticmed.com/add/blaylock.html , dr.

> > Blaylock, a neurosurgeon says whey protein has to be avoided

> because

> > it promotes excitotoxicity.

> >

> > Apparantly some amino acids which are added to food for flavor

can

> > cause excitotoxicity:

> http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_brain_damage.htm

> >

> > I would have thought that taking whey protein would be just as

> safe

> > as eating an egg, only it would contain even more protein.

> >

> > Cheney and Pall both say cfs patients already have

excitotoxicity,

> > so we should definitely not take anything which would make it

> worse.

> >

> > Do you think whey protein is completely safe to take?

> >

> > By the way, when I go outside I always have to put on

sunglasses,

> > even if it is completely cloudy, I just can´t tolerate the

light,

> it

> > troubles my vision and makes me feel nauseous, this is very

> > depressing and scary, could this light intolerance be due to

> > excitotoxicity?

> >

> > Thank you in advance and for all your great help on the

> groups!

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > R.

[Guest guest]

Will,

I'll be interested to hear how your experiment works out.

Rich

> So, I'm going to knock off the whey protein for a few days.

>

> P.S. I've also been experiencing irritation in my mouth, throat,

and

> nasal passages since starting the whey protein. It's a burining

> sensation that reminds me of what it used to feel like after

spending a

> night in a smoke filled bar or club. I can't be sure that this

symptom

> is related to the whey protein because wood burning season has

begun in

> Seattle with an early onset of cold weather this year. So the

> woodstove smoke may be the culprit. So I'm going to conduct an

> experiment and lay off the whey protein for a couple of weeks or

so to

> see if my symptoms improve.

>

> Will in Seattle

> a.k.a. " Sleepless "

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

>

> Rich, thanks for clearing up the issue about the whey protein and

> excitotoxicity.

> Sometimes these things can get confusing for us laymen.

You're welcome. I've been known to get pretty confused, too.

> I am having an oxidative stress test done this month, including

> oxidized and reduced glutathione, it is good to know that it is

safe

> to take whey protein again if this will be necessary, which I

guess

> it will be.

I'll be interested to hear how the test comes out.

>

> I had a melisa (http://www.melisa.org/) test done by prof. De

> Meirleir, it measures the reaction of white blood cells to metals,

> it was normal.

> I don´t know if they measure the actual amount of heavy metals

like

> mercury in this test or just how your white blood cells react to

> them.

I think the idea there is that if you have had high mercury levels

in your body, the immune system will build up a response to it, and

that's what they measure.

>

> Unfortunately getting cysteine levels in my blood checked while

> taking whey protein to make sure they don´t rise too high will be

> impossible for me, my GP even refused to have a normal blood test

> done last time I saw him, I can already imagine the astonishment

on

> his face if I were to ask him to have cysteine levels tested.

I can understand that. In your case, it doesn't sound as though it

is a problem, because you took whey protein for six months, and

apparently did not notice any neurological problems from it, is that

right?

>

> I have no problems with sun exposure in the summer when I wear

> sunglasses or close my eyes.

> In fact I find the heat of the sun on my body pleasant, the only

> problem I have with outdoors light is through my eyes, even when

the

> sun is completely behind the clouds.

O.K. It doesn't sound as though you have the vitamin D problem that

Dr. Marshall talks about.

> I don´t have any real trouble with my hearing and can tolerate

music

> pretty good, but when several people are in a room together and

they

> all start talking at the same time I do get nauseous from this.

>

> I read that Cheney recommends taking magnesium and Klonopin for

the

> hypersensitivity of the nervous system, I have been taking

magnesium

> orally for about two years now, it helps a little bit, but not

> enough unfortunately. I tried Klonopin once but I had a strange

> reaction to it and stopped taking it.

People seem to vary quite a lot in their response to drugs.

>

> Thank you again for your help!

You're welcome.

>

> Take care,

>

> R.

>

You, too, .

Rich

[Guest guest]

Seizures can be caused by severe magnesium deficiency, B1 deficiency, B6

deficiency, hypoglycemia, epilepsy, acetylcholine excess, severe lead

toxicity, S.L.E., acquired methemoglobinemia, parasites.

Regards, Blake