Re: Best Yeast Overgrowth Test...it's tough..

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Several Dr's (incl. teitelbaum ) suggest that tests are unreliable, (perhaps

because your sensitivity may be as important as overgrowth). presence of

symptoms are the best guess. If you feel better after treatment than you

probably

had a problem! not much help, but the fungal connection is difficult. At any

rate, cutting down on sugar & carbs isn't a bad idea anyway. But I think the

strict candida diet idea is unnecessary. I took LOTS of tests over the

years, and they were quite variable. Blood antibody tests, stool tests, (great

smoky's lab) even skin injections of candida extract. Some tests said yes, some

said no. I even took allergy shots of candida extract-no help. Try

" citricidal " extract, probiotic " pearls " (enzematic therapy). Actually, if

there's a

tummy problem, i think drinking lots of buttermilk might help symptoms and

indicate you have a problem ( it has lots of lactic acid, which yeast don't

like).

Dannon sells a powerful probiotic yogurt product called Actimel in some

cities which is good stuff. I think candida issues are mostly a side effect of

CFS, not the cause. If you have chronic sinus prob's though, think fungus.

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When I first started taking Nystatin (as a powder), a very small amount

(1/4 tsp, I think) produced a large die-off effect. I felt really

rotten, and it didn't let up for about a week at that same dose. Over an

extended period, I gradually increased the dose, and each time had to go

through a bad week of die-off. I asked my Dr if I would have suffered

these effects, without actually having an intestinal yeast overgrowth,

i.e., just as a side-effect from the Nystatin itself. He thought not.

So I am wondering if this could serve as a test for yeast overgrowth.

Start taking a small dose of Nystatin, and see if it knocks you for a

loop!

It might be interesting for skeptical MDs to try this as a double-blind,

placebo-controlled test among those of their patients who believe they

have such an overgrowth. Give half Nystatin and the other half a

placebo. Are the patients able to say which one they had received, with

significantly better than chance reliability?.

Or with a particular patient, if they are able to tell the doctor which

one they received, they do have an overgrowth. This could even be done

twice, with a sufficient interval-once with Nystatin; once with placebo.

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Annette,

A few thoughts about your post:

1) The " well " people you mention just may not have reached

the " straw that broke the camel's back " and become chronically ill;

but a large group of people who are not ill do have a certain degree

of dysbiosis, and nystatin would certainly affect these people,

too. If these people improved the terrain of their own bodies, this

treatment would, IMO, improve their health, though they were not

chronically ill.

2) After two years of chronic illness and feeling I was so ill I

might not make it, I stopped all the doctors meds and went on Dr.

Crooks suggested regimen (from his book, " Chronic Fatigue

and the Yeast Connection " , including effective yeast supplements. I

had significant die-off, and my body had to deal with the die-off --

the herxheimer. My reactions, I determined, were directly in

proportion to the dosage. As I detoxed the apparent yeast

overgrowth, and changed my diet to address this problem, I began

feeling better every day. However, in my own case, the overgrowth

was so significant that Dr. Crook himself asked me to have a local

physician monitor my taking Diflucan daily for several months -- and

this resulted in a return to being able to have a somewhat normal

daily life. Dr. Crook said that if I stayed on the program, I would

eventually be much better; but, the night fevers/sweats accompanying

the die-off were too debilitating and I " needed some help " which the

Diflucan would give me. If anyone is going through these sweats,

etc. replacing electrolytes is recommended. I began having charlie

horses in my leg calves before I realized this.

3) I had amazing good results after going through the above

responses. So have many, many people I personally know or have had

contact with.

Just thought it was important for people to hear another story on

the use of yeast treatment. If I and my physicians had been

knowledgeable about probiotics and yeast prevention when they

prescribed two years of constant prescriptions for antibiotics the

first two years of my chronic illness, I stronly feel I would not

have developed the dire consequences I did. I also believe this

damage led to my developing the rheumatic illness diagnosis I have.

The damage was tremendous.

Annette, I strongly recommend you read any of Dr. Crooks books. He

has input from physicians experiences with their patients and from

very ill patients themselves. One of his books, " The Yeast

Connection & the Woman " has quite a bit of information on the

different rheumatic diagnoses. The book is about men, women, and

children. I've always regretted the title of this one, since I

think it may keep men from reading it.

bg

> Hi ,

>

> In the late 80's I asked several friends to try

> Nystatin to see what effect it had on " well " people.

> This was because every single person in my M.E. group

> who tried the drug had a " die off " effect.

>

> All the people who tried Nystatin in the " well " group

> reported the same symptoms as the M.E. group.

>

> I know that this does not mean very much and I would

> also like to see some proper research in this area.

> Taking Nystatin did nothing for my health apart from

> making me feel more miserable and I have never had a

> " herx " reaction to a drug that was followed by an

> improvement.

>

> With kindest regards,

> Annette

>

>

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Hi BG,

I've read the book, done the diets, taken the drugs

etc - all 15-20 years ago. Dr Crooks books are not

new and seem to go through waves of being fashionable

again. What works for one does not work for all. It's

really tough.

The " well " people who tried the Nystatin all those

years ago are still perfectly healthy. I did not

include it in my post as it was an obvious

consideration.

I'm not trying to wind anyone up or be contentious.

Just sharing my experience as you are.

The Nystatin did not work for me but other

prescription antifungels and tea-tree oil do help with

some some simple symptoms. In my case they do not

help with the overall illness - classic M.E. as per

Ramsay in my case.

With warmest regards,

Annette

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