question for activated charcoal and bentonite users

[Guest guest]

It was long ago that I recall a few on here mentioning activated charcoal,

some including Cheney patients? Can you report what effect, if any it may have

had on you? How often was it taken and did Cheney have any opinion on whether

it might bind to toxins as well as csm? I intend on eventually trying other

binders, not just worshipping csm. Beta sitosterol is probably next but I'd

like to learn more about any others out there.

[Guest guest]

,

I am not a Cheney patient but have had a lot of experience with

the charcoal and bentonite clay.

It is my understanding that the charcoal binds toxins in the

digestive tract in the moment. It binds whatever it comes in

contact with and does not pull it out of the bile as CSM is

purported to do. Having very severe digestive problems I find I

somtimes have to use the charcoal for a day or two to bind the

poisons in my intestines. This is usually when I have eaten

something I am allergic to and/or when the food is not digested

and " just sits there " making me feel sick. It can be used to carry

out the die-off of candida and other dead pathogens.

The bentonite is used much the same way and for the same reasons.

Again, it binds what it comes in contact with. In the case of the

bentonite I used it for years and then it began to make me nauseas

(sp?) My nutritiionist told me that the molecules are large and

when they pass through the intestines in a leaky gut situation can

make one feel quite ill.

With both of these substances I was told not to use them too often

as they also bind minerals and vitamins. They do not pull nor bind

toxins which are already in the body beyond the digestive tract.

You are aware of the actions of the CSM - pulling toxins out of

the bile after it has been circulated through the body and

preventing it from being resorbed into the liver.

> It was long ago that I recall a few on here mentioning activated

charcoal,

> some including Cheney patients? Can you report what effect, if

any it may have

> had on you? How often was it taken and did Cheney have any

opinion on whether

> it might bind to toxins as well as csm? I intend on eventually

trying other

> binders, not just worshipping csm. Beta sitosterol is probably

next but I'd

> like to learn more about any others out there.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not a Cheney patient either, but I have tried many things that bind up

toxins. As I remember,

charcoal really didn't do anything for me. (BTW, after my dog ate rat poison the

vet

gave him a huge dose of charcoal to soak up any leftover poison - so it is used

in this way. The dog is fine) About 12 years ago I started taking bentonite

colloidal -

at one point lots of it. It made a huge difference. When I first started using

it - I took it for about

a week or two, I quit one day to see what would happen, and was sicker than I

ever was.

After taking it for several years I quit taking it because it seemed to do

nothing.

Then I tried NaturGel, which is no longer imported from Russia. I think it may

have made me feel

a little more clear headed, but more tired. When I could no longer get that, I

tried CSM - got

it from a compounding pharmacy in PA I think. I could take a whooping 1/32 of a

teaspoon.

I have finally given up on it for the time being, as I am trying to do the Kane

protocol. Not that

one excludes the other, but I really didn't think I was gaining anything taking

a speck of the

stuff a day.

As for chorella, I have always tolerated it and have been taking Sun chlorella

for a long

time. It seems to help my headaches. Another thing that helps my headaches

tremendously - today I had such a bad headache and brain fog I couldn't finish a

sentence and was driving my husband nuts I was so loopy - butyrate. I think It

works on some gut bug. I have to do some homework on that one. If anyone knows

what butyrate does, let me know. I feel like I should take a ton a day - but

again

if I take too much I get totaly wiped out.

Don't know if any of this will help.

Michele

In , " marypmichel " <marypmichel@y...> wrote:

> ,

> I am not a Cheney patient but have had a lot of experience with

> the charcoal and bentonite clay.

> It is my understanding that the charcoal binds toxins in the

> digestive tract in the moment. It binds whatever it comes in

> contact with and does not pull it out of the bile as CSM is

> purported to do. Having very severe digestive problems I find I

> somtimes have to use the charcoal for a day or two to bind the

> poisons in my intestines. This is usually when I have eaten

> something I am allergic to and/or when the food is not digested

> and " just sits there " making me feel sick. It can be used to carry

> out the die-off of candida and other dead pathogens.

> The bentonite is used much the same way and for the same reasons.

> Again, it binds what it comes in contact with. In the case of the

> bentonite I used it for years and then it began to make me nauseas

> (sp?) My nutritiionist told me that the molecules are large and

> when they pass through the intestines in a leaky gut situation can

> make one feel quite ill.

> With both of these substances I was told not to use them too often

> as they also bind minerals and vitamins. They do not pull nor bind

> toxins which are already in the body beyond the digestive tract.

> You are aware of the actions of the CSM - pulling toxins out of

> the bile after it has been circulated through the body and

> preventing it from being resorbed into the liver.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Butyrate is one of the short-chain fatty acids, and it serves as

food for the colonocytes, the cells lining the large intestine.

Normally it is produced by bacteria in the gut, using nondigestible

fiber as the starting material.

Rich

Another thing that helps my headaches

> tremendously - today I had such a bad headache and brain fog I

couldn't finish a

> sentence and was driving my husband nuts I was so loopy -

butyrate. I think It

> works on some gut bug. I have to do some homework on that one. If

anyone knows

> what butyrate does, let me know. I feel like I should take a ton a

day - but again

> if I take too much I get totaly wiped out.

>

> Don't know if any of this will help.

> Michele

[Guest guest]

I reacted very badly to Charcoal. But then

again, I am very sensitive to everthing.

Cheney was quite puzzled by my reaction to

charcoal, as he said it was one of the most

inert substances there was.

YMMV,

Zippy

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> It was long ago that I recall a few on here mentioning activated

charcoal,

> some including Cheney patients? Can you report what effect, if any

it may have

> had on you? How often was it taken and did Cheney have any opinion

on whether

> it might bind to toxins as well as csm? I intend on eventually

trying other

> binders, not just worshipping csm. Beta sitosterol is probably

next but I'd

> like to learn more about any others out there.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Zippy,

How did you react to the charcoal? It is one of the most inert

substances. I react to most all food and supplements, also.

> > It was long ago that I recall a few on here mentioning activated

> charcoal,

> > some including Cheney patients? Can you report what effect, if

any

> it may have

> > had on you? How often was it taken and did Cheney have any

opinion

> on whether

> > it might bind to toxins as well as csm? I intend on eventually

> trying other

> > binders, not just worshipping csm. Beta sitosterol is probably

> next but I'd

> > like to learn more about any others out there.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I had my typical reaction of burning skin. Plus,

I felt real crummy.

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> Zippy,

> How did you react to the charcoal? It is one of the most inert

> substances. I react to most all food and supplements, also.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's awful, to say the least, when we take something that is

supposed to be inert and get reactions.

I was wondering if you used powdered charcoal. When I first tried

charcoal I felt badly and wondered why. Then when I opened the

bottle I got a terrible smell. It turns out it was the caps - maybe

the chemicals they used to clean the machines (?). I switched to

the powder and have had no problem since. No smell and no

reactions. I use the product from Millard and , labeled 100%

wood charcoal. Also, I don't take more than 1 teaspoon at a time

mixed in water.

> > Zippy,

> > How did you react to the charcoal? It is one of the most

inert

> > substances. I react to most all food and supplements, also.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, , butyrate is part of the Kane protocol.

Since I was not taking it while doing the original 14 IVs, yet still

improved, it must be the PC and/or glutathione that helped me most

(could also be the detoxx diet too, but that's pretty much how I eat

anyway so I attribute my improvement to the IVs more than diet or

supplements).

Trish

P.S. Good news. I found a doctor here in AZ who is eager and

willing to resume the IV protocol for me.

--- jseaton357@a... wrote:

> Sorry if someone has commented on this as I just made a move to

miami on Sun

> but butyrate is involved in oral portion of Kane protocol, right?

So that

> could be why it is helping.

>