Re: FIR Sauna -- environmental toxins, cardiac tissue

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

You might consider drinking more water before doing the sauna.

Sweating causes a lot of water loss, and this water comes largely

from the blood plasma, making the blood " thicker. " This could be

putting a bigger load on your heart to pump it, because of the

higher viscosity.

Rich

> Well, after feeling like I was shaking hands with death for a few

days from

> my overdoing it crash, I just did another sauna. I cannot believe

how much I

> am sweating now in the sauna. I can actually feel the sweat

running down my

> body. This in itself is really remarkable, as I don't normally

sweat. One

> thing nobody seems to be talking about is the FIR sauna's ability

to mobilize

> toxins that are stored in fatty tissue. I believe in my case this

has a lot to do

> with my initial positive reaction. I had quite a lot of known

exposure to

> pesticides before I got sick (just from living in agricultural

communities, and

> one big spraying of bug killer in the house right before I got

sick), plus

> plenty of mercury fillings in my mouth, and every time I have

tried anything

> " detoxifying, " it has made me much worse. I think sweating out

the toxins might

> be the way to go. I have severe MCS as well as CFIDS, so it's

obvious to me

> that I react to environmental toxins, but I had only CFIDS for

several years

> before the MCS symptoms started creeping in. I was very much a

pure CFIDS case

> -- and considered so by my doctors -- until I began to react to

just about

> everything in my environment. I often do feel like CFIDS patients

who DON'T

> develop MCS are in denial that this can happen. Certainly, if

glutathione is

> impaired for any reason, the chance of CFIDS patients accumulating

toxins in fatty

> tissue is high.

>

> I am still not doing as well as I was after some earlier sauna

sessions, and

> feel like I'm not done with my crash, but I still am very hopeful

about the

> sauna. I also wonder and worry slightly about the strain of the

sauna on the

> heart, since it does passively work cardiac tissue. Does anyone

have any

> theories about how this might affect the cardiac abnormalities of

CFIDS patients? I

> don't know how to explain this, but my heart feels overworked, as

it does

> when I exert myself in other ways.

>

> I will keep everyone posted on my progress.

>

> Best,

> Peggy

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome:

> http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk

[Guest guest]

I'm also going to research a sugarless electrolyte formula.

Commercially availalble seem to have sugar but either I " ll have to

make one or find one without. I used dto love emergen-c lite but my

body doesn't sem to like it anymore. I think its important...I also

found myself craving kelp in the last few days. The cravings i get

since sauna are odd. I had an incredible craving for chicken soup

made with lots of greens and onions. Then I craved, last night,

cranberries and yogurt which I'm about to go out and buy, and also

nori.

> > Well, after feeling like I was shaking hands with death for a few

> days from

> > my overdoing it crash, I just did another sauna. I cannot

believe

> how much I

> > am sweating now in the sauna. I can actually feel the sweat

> running down my

> > body. This in itself is really remarkable, as I don't normally

> sweat. One

> > thing nobody seems to be talking about is the FIR sauna's ability

> to mobilize

> > toxins that are stored in fatty tissue. I believe in my case

this

> has a lot to do

> > with my initial positive reaction. I had quite a lot of known

> exposure to

> > pesticides before I got sick (just from living in agricultural

> communities, and

> > one big spraying of bug killer in the house right before I got

> sick), plus

> > plenty of mercury fillings in my mouth, and every time I have

> tried anything

> > " detoxifying, " it has made me much worse. I think sweating out

> the toxins might

> > be the way to go. I have severe MCS as well as CFIDS, so it's

> obvious to me

> > that I react to environmental toxins, but I had only CFIDS for

> several years

> > before the MCS symptoms started creeping in. I was very much a

> pure CFIDS case

> > -- and considered so by my doctors -- until I began to react to

> just about

> > everything in my environment. I often do feel like CFIDS

patients

> who DON'T

> > develop MCS are in denial that this can happen. Certainly, if

> glutathione is

> > impaired for any reason, the chance of CFIDS patients

accumulating

> toxins in fatty

> > tissue is high.

> >

> > I am still not doing as well as I was after some earlier sauna

> sessions, and

> > feel like I'm not done with my crash, but I still am very hopeful

> about the

> > sauna. I also wonder and worry slightly about the strain of the

> sauna on the

> > heart, since it does passively work cardiac tissue. Does anyone

> have any

> > theories about how this might affect the cardiac abnormalities of

> CFIDS patients? I

> > don't know how to explain this, but my heart feels overworked, as

> it does

> > when I exert myself in other ways.

> >

> > I will keep everyone posted on my progress.

> >

> > Best,

> > Peggy

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue

> Syndrome:

> > http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

I think you're right about the FIR sauna promoting detox. Since

PWCs tend to have lots of toxins stored up as a result of

glutathione depletion over extended times, this is probably a big

factor in the FIR's benefits for PWCs.

I suspect that the FIR sauna simultaneously does several things that

are beneficial to PWCs. As you probably know, Jim Clements

emphasizes the increase in body temperature and the resulting

increase in metabolic rate. Sherry emphasizes the detox

aspect. I have hypothesized that it enables the sympathetic nervous

system to stop generating so much norepinephrine in the skin to shut

down the blood flow there, thus lifting the demand on glutathione to

dispose of the oxidation product of norepinephrine, and also freeing

up supplies of tyrosine and phenylalanine so that the sympathetic

nervous system can make norepinephrine to control pooling of blood

in the legs, to stop the orthostatic intolerance.

In view of all this, I suspect that the FIR sauna will have the

biggest benefits for PWCs who have a big toxin load, who have a

lower than normal armpit temperature, who have orthostatic

intolerance, and who have glutathione depletion.

Rich

> Well, after feeling like I was shaking hands with death for a few

days from

> my overdoing it crash, I just did another sauna. I cannot believe

how much I

> am sweating now in the sauna. I can actually feel the sweat

running down my

> body. This in itself is really remarkable, as I don't normally

sweat. One

> thing nobody seems to be talking about is the FIR sauna's ability

to mobilize

> toxins that are stored in fatty tissue. I believe in my case this

has a lot to do

> with my initial positive reaction. I had quite a lot of known

exposure to

> pesticides before I got sick (just from living in agricultural

communities, and

> one big spraying of bug killer in the house right before I got

sick), plus

> plenty of mercury fillings in my mouth, and every time I have

tried anything

> " detoxifying, " it has made me much worse. I think sweating out

the toxins might

> be the way to go. I have severe MCS as well as CFIDS, so it's

obvious to me

> that I react to environmental toxins, but I had only CFIDS for

several years

> before the MCS symptoms started creeping in. I was very much a

pure CFIDS case

> -- and considered so by my doctors -- until I began to react to

just about

> everything in my environment. I often do feel like CFIDS patients

who DON'T

> develop MCS are in denial that this can happen. Certainly, if

glutathione is

> impaired for any reason, the chance of CFIDS patients accumulating

toxins in fatty

> tissue is high.

>

> I am still not doing as well as I was after some earlier sauna

sessions, and

> feel like I'm not done with my crash, but I still am very hopeful

about the

> sauna. I also wonder and worry slightly about the strain of the

sauna on the

> heart, since it does passively work cardiac tissue. Does anyone

have any

> theories about how this might affect the cardiac abnormalities of

CFIDS patients? I

> don't know how to explain this, but my heart feels overworked, as

it does

> when I exert myself in other ways.

>

> I will keep everyone posted on my progress.

>

> Best,

> Peggy

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome:

> http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk

[Guest guest]

Great analysis. And don't forget another benefit: The raised body

temp fights microbes and infection (although technically, a lower

than normal body temp is also considered a " fever " and could possibly

explain why we tend to have lower core temps than normals).

I'm sold. The heaters are safer than malaria therapy. :-) It's worth

a go. I think I'm going to buy the heaters. I'm glad someone posted

the picture of the heaters again. They look pretty space efficient. I

was worried they wouldn't fit in my bathroom and that I won't be able

to sit equi-distance between them, but if I can work up a sweat,

that's good enough. If not, I'll use them to heat my art studio, I

guess.

I'm also sold on the Rife machine I was using and would like to use

the two together. I can't afford one yet, unfortunately, but I think

's vast improvement is for real. I've had the same experience

with the Rife that he has, and I think it's a heck of a lot easier on

the body than antibiotics, which have been responsible for my great

improvement so far.

penny

> > Well, after feeling like I was shaking hands with death for a few

> days from

> > my overdoing it crash, I just did another sauna. I cannot

believe

> how much I

> > am sweating now in the sauna. I can actually feel the sweat

> running down my

> > body. This in itself is really remarkable, as I don't normally

> sweat. One

> > thing nobody seems to be talking about is the FIR sauna's ability

> to mobilize

> > toxins that are stored in fatty tissue. I believe in my case

this

> has a lot to do

> > with my initial positive reaction. I had quite a lot of known

> exposure to

> > pesticides before I got sick (just from living in agricultural

> communities, and

> > one big spraying of bug killer in the house right before I got

> sick), plus

> > plenty of mercury fillings in my mouth, and every time I have

> tried anything

> > " detoxifying, " it has made me much worse. I think sweating out

> the toxins might

> > be the way to go. I have severe MCS as well as CFIDS, so it's

> obvious to me

> > that I react to environmental toxins, but I had only CFIDS for

> several years

> > before the MCS symptoms started creeping in. I was very much a

> pure CFIDS case

> > -- and considered so by my doctors -- until I began to react to

> just about

> > everything in my environment. I often do feel like CFIDS

patients

> who DON'T

> > develop MCS are in denial that this can happen. Certainly, if

> glutathione is

> > impaired for any reason, the chance of CFIDS patients

accumulating

> toxins in fatty

> > tissue is high.

> >

> > I am still not doing as well as I was after some earlier sauna

> sessions, and

> > feel like I'm not done with my crash, but I still am very hopeful

> about the

> > sauna. I also wonder and worry slightly about the strain of the

> sauna on the

> > heart, since it does passively work cardiac tissue. Does anyone

> have any

> > theories about how this might affect the cardiac abnormalities of

> CFIDS patients? I

> > don't know how to explain this, but my heart feels overworked, as

> it does

> > when I exert myself in other ways.

> >

> > I will keep everyone posted on my progress.

> >

> > Best,

> > Peggy

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue

> Syndrome:

> > http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk

[Guest guest]

Rich,

Would taking blood-thinning agents before/after the sauna help this problem

as well?

Peggy

<<Peggy,

You might consider drinking more water before doing the sauna.

Sweating causes a lot of water loss, and this water comes largely

from the blood plasma, making the blood " thicker. " This could be

putting a bigger load on your heart to pump it, because of the

higher viscosity.

Rich

>>

[Guest guest]

Penny,

Thanks! Yes, I agree that raising the body temperature can help to

fight infections.

Regarding core temperature, there is a published paper showing that

the actual core body temperature in PWCs is normal. What's lower

than normal in many PWCs is the peripheral body temperature, such as

in the armpit. I think that the reason for this is that the

peripheral temperature depends on the metabolic rate in the skeletal

muscles, and this rate is below normal in PWCs.

I've been interested to hear about the results of Rife therapy in

PWCs. I haven't commented on it, because I don't think I understand

how it works at the biochemical or cellular level. I think I

understand what's done in Rife therapy, I have seen a demonstration

of it, I've talked to a few people who have had the treatment for

cancer and other disorders, I've read the book " The Cancer Cure that

Worked, " but I don't understand how the RF energy could resonate

with something associated with the disorder to bring about

improvement. I hope that some careful, fundamental research can be

done on Rife therapy to sort out what goes on. To my mind, it is at

least plausible that it might work, but I don't know how it actually

would work.

Rich

> > > Well, after feeling like I was shaking hands with death for a

few

> > days from

> > > my overdoing it crash, I just did another sauna. I cannot

> believe

> > how much I

> > > am sweating now in the sauna. I can actually feel the sweat

> > running down my

> > > body. This in itself is really remarkable, as I don't

normally

> > sweat. One

> > > thing nobody seems to be talking about is the FIR sauna's

ability

> > to mobilize

> > > toxins that are stored in fatty tissue. I believe in my case

> this

> > has a lot to do

> > > with my initial positive reaction. I had quite a lot of known

> > exposure to

> > > pesticides before I got sick (just from living in agricultural

> > communities, and

> > > one big spraying of bug killer in the house right before I got

> > sick), plus

> > > plenty of mercury fillings in my mouth, and every time I have

> > tried anything

> > > " detoxifying, " it has made me much worse. I think sweating

out

> > the toxins might

> > > be the way to go. I have severe MCS as well as CFIDS, so it's

> > obvious to me

> > > that I react to environmental toxins, but I had only CFIDS for

> > several years

> > > before the MCS symptoms started creeping in. I was very much

a

> > pure CFIDS case

> > > -- and considered so by my doctors -- until I began to react

to

> > just about

> > > everything in my environment. I often do feel like CFIDS

> patients

> > who DON'T

> > > develop MCS are in denial that this can happen. Certainly, if

> > glutathione is

> > > impaired for any reason, the chance of CFIDS patients

> accumulating

> > toxins in fatty

> > > tissue is high.

> > >

> > > I am still not doing as well as I was after some earlier sauna

> > sessions, and

> > > feel like I'm not done with my crash, but I still am very

hopeful

> > about the

> > > sauna. I also wonder and worry slightly about the strain of

the

> > sauna on the

> > > heart, since it does passively work cardiac tissue. Does

anyone

> > have any

> > > theories about how this might affect the cardiac abnormalities

of

> > CFIDS patients? I

> > > don't know how to explain this, but my heart feels overworked,

as

> > it does

> > > when I exert myself in other ways.

> > >

> > > I will keep everyone posted on my progress.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Peggy

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue

> > Syndrome:

> > > http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk

[Guest guest]

> I'm also going to research a sugarless electrolyte formula.

Jill, please see my thread #61600 for a sugarless electrolyte recipe

which came from Dr Cheney. Also Rich mentioned drinking water before

the sauna, which is good and Jim also told me to take in the sauna

with me 64 oz of water and drink it all while in there. If you do not

take an electrolyte solution in the sauna with you, be sure and drink

several glasses afterwards.

I drink one gallon of water a day and I thought that was a lot but I

was reading a people magazine today and this male model says he

drinks three gallons of water a day. wow! Better not get too far from

a bathroom.

Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Penny

I use my FIR heaters in a room that is 12 x 14 foot because my bathroom is

really too small. This big room still gets very very hot and I sweat lots. I

tried a smaller room about 6 x 6 foot when I took the heaters on holiday with me

recently and I didn't think it was any better. The key is to preheat the room

for about 1/2 hour or so as Jim suggests

Re: FIR Sauna -- environmental toxins, cardiac

tissue

Great analysis. And don't forget another benefit: The raised body

temp fights microbes and infection (although technically, a lower

than normal body temp is also considered a " fever " and could possibly

explain why we tend to have lower core temps than normals).

I'm sold. The heaters are safer than malaria therapy. :-) It's worth

a go. I think I'm going to buy the heaters. I'm glad someone posted

the picture of the heaters again. They look pretty space efficient. I

was worried they wouldn't fit in my bathroom and that I won't be able

to sit equi-distance between them, but if I can work up a sweat,

that's good enough. If not, I'll use them to heat my art studio, I

guess.

I'm also sold on the Rife machine I was using and would like to use

the two together. I can't afford one yet, unfortunately, but I think

's vast improvement is for real. I've had the same experience

with the Rife that he has, and I think it's a heck of a lot easier on

the body than antibiotics, which have been responsible for my great

improvement so far.

penny

> > Well, after feeling like I was shaking hands with death for a few

> days from

> > my overdoing it crash, I just did another sauna. I cannot

believe

> how much I

> > am sweating now in the sauna. I can actually feel the sweat

> running down my

> > body. This in itself is really remarkable, as I don't normally

> sweat. One

> > thing nobody seems to be talking about is the FIR sauna's ability

> to mobilize

> > toxins that are stored in fatty tissue. I believe in my case

this

> has a lot to do

> > with my initial positive reaction. I had quite a lot of known

> exposure to

> > pesticides before I got sick (just from living in agricultural

> communities, and

> > one big spraying of bug killer in the house right before I got

> sick), plus

> > plenty of mercury fillings in my mouth, and every time I have

> tried anything

> > " detoxifying, " it has made me much worse. I think sweating out

> the toxins might

> > be the way to go. I have severe MCS as well as CFIDS, so it's

> obvious to me

> > that I react to environmental toxins, but I had only CFIDS for

> several years

> > before the MCS symptoms started creeping in. I was very much a

> pure CFIDS case

> > -- and considered so by my doctors -- until I began to react to

> just about

> > everything in my environment. I often do feel like CFIDS

patients

> who DON'T

> > develop MCS are in denial that this can happen. Certainly, if

> glutathione is

> > impaired for any reason, the chance of CFIDS patients

accumulating

> toxins in fatty

> > tissue is high.

> >

> > I am still not doing as well as I was after some earlier sauna

> sessions, and

> > feel like I'm not done with my crash, but I still am very hopeful

> about the

> > sauna. I also wonder and worry slightly about the strain of the

> sauna on the

> > heart, since it does passively work cardiac tissue. Does anyone

> have any

> > theories about how this might affect the cardiac abnormalities of

> CFIDS patients? I

> > don't know how to explain this, but my heart feels overworked, as

> it does

> > when I exert myself in other ways.

> >

> > I will keep everyone posted on my progress.

> >

> > Best,

> > Peggy

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue

> Syndrome:

> > http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

For PWCs who have hypercoagulation, I think blood thinners would

help some, but I think that the main things that the sauna is

causing to be lost are water and minerals, and that it is most

important to stock up on them and to replenish them.

Rich

> Rich,

>

> Would taking blood-thinning agents before/after the sauna help

this problem

> as well?

>

> Peggy

>

> <<Peggy,

>

>

> You might consider drinking more water before doing the sauna.

>

> Sweating causes a lot of water loss, and this water comes largely

>

> from the blood plasma, making the blood " thicker. " This could be

>

> putting a bigger load on your heart to pump it, because of the

>

> higher viscosity.

>

>

> Rich

>

> >>

[Guest guest]

I don't know either, Rich. My husband's a scientist, and he said that

he could somewhat understand the reasoning, whereas he doesn't get

some of the other energy devices at all. I just kept hearing such

positive reports, and then found out that one was available to

borrow, so decided to try it. I was extremely impressed. I hope thre

will be some research too. So far it's hard, I suppose, with all the

FDA resistance. I did read the following at the pap-imi site about

research being conducted in San Diego on some improved version of the

Rife machine:

I have no idea if it's true, but here's an excerpt.

Beyond The Rife machine, The Crane Device,

The Lakhovsky Device, The Priore Device,

The Dotto Ring, The Rapsomanikis Device

& other treatments

The Pap-Imi machine is far more powerful & focused.

It is used in Europe to as an aid to healing

and for pain reduction.

Currently avail. in the U.S.A.

having been approved for a study.

This study has been approved by the IRB

(Institution Review Board), Bio-Med of San Diego.

The machine operators undergo full training

in the use of the machine.

The current study results will be gathered

and tabulated by an outside authority,

and then submitted to the FDA for final approval

pap-imi/?yguid=90730874

I know the Rife gave me a wallop! I'm bummed that I no longer have it.

penny

> > > > Well, after feeling like I was shaking hands with death for a

> few

> > > days from

> > > > my overdoing it crash, I just did another sauna. I cannot

> > believe

> > > how much I

> > > > am sweating now in the sauna. I can actually feel the sweat

> > > running down my

> > > > body. This in itself is really remarkable, as I don't

> normally

> > > sweat. One

> > > > thing nobody seems to be talking about is the FIR sauna's

> ability

> > > to mobilize

> > > > toxins that are stored in fatty tissue. I believe in my case

> > this

> > > has a lot to do

> > > > with my initial positive reaction. I had quite a lot of

known

> > > exposure to

> > > > pesticides before I got sick (just from living in

agricultural

> > > communities, and

> > > > one big spraying of bug killer in the house right before I

got

> > > sick), plus

> > > > plenty of mercury fillings in my mouth, and every time I have

> > > tried anything

> > > > " detoxifying, " it has made me much worse. I think sweating

> out

> > > the toxins might

> > > > be the way to go. I have severe MCS as well as CFIDS, so

it's

> > > obvious to me

> > > > that I react to environmental toxins, but I had only CFIDS

for

> > > several years

> > > > before the MCS symptoms started creeping in. I was very

much

> a

> > > pure CFIDS case

> > > > -- and considered so by my doctors -- until I began to react

> to

> > > just about

> > > > everything in my environment. I often do feel like CFIDS

> > patients

> > > who DON'T

> > > > develop MCS are in denial that this can happen. Certainly,

if

> > > glutathione is

> > > > impaired for any reason, the chance of CFIDS patients

> > accumulating

> > > toxins in fatty

> > > > tissue is high.

> > > >

> > > > I am still not doing as well as I was after some earlier

sauna

> > > sessions, and

> > > > feel like I'm not done with my crash, but I still am very

> hopeful

> > > about the

> > > > sauna. I also wonder and worry slightly about the strain of

> the

> > > sauna on the

> > > > heart, since it does passively work cardiac tissue. Does

> anyone

> > > have any

> > > > theories about how this might affect the cardiac

abnormalities

> of

> > > CFIDS patients? I

> > > > don't know how to explain this, but my heart feels

overworked,

> as

> > > it does

> > > > when I exert myself in other ways.

> > > >

> > > > I will keep everyone posted on my progress.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > > Peggy

> > > >

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue

> > > Syndrome:

> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk

[Guest guest]

My understanding of what sauna does, having read Dr 's manual 3

times as well as some other papers and even gone back lastn ight to

Ron Hubbard's classic book is:

1) It creates an artificial fever, after about the first 20 minutes.

This has all the beneficial effects that fever itself does, such as

more immune activity, and bugs not being too happy

2) It increases circulation, lymph flow, oxygenation of tissues etc

3) My sense of it, and I could be wrong, is that in CFIDS< chronic

lyme or any chronic infection you are so downregulated, you are so

bad at detoxxing, you have such an accumulation of stresses on your

body, you don't sleep well, you ar esluggish, you don't get enuf or

any exercise...that you compound a bad situation...you don't

metabolize quickly and throw off toxins. The sauna kind of

temporarily turns you into a fast metabolizer. I've always noticed

that people with naturally high body heat who don't need lots of

sweaters and coats and so on, seem to also not get sick very often

and to have lots of energy. Just intuitive observation. Well my

impression is the sauna turns me temporarily into such a person. Its

like flipping a switch. During that time my body is functioning more

like a normal body, and an exercising body, with all those benefits

4) You sweat out toxins. The skin is a major elimination organ. This

gives other organs a rest

From all this, I have begun to wonder if it should be done 2-3 times

a day, rather than once a day. I asked Dr. and he said it

could be done up to 3x a day; he did it twice a day; I hear of

doctors putting patients thru intensive programs where they do it a

bunch of times a day. Seems to me this would be the equivalent of

the idea in mercury detox where you take a chelator every few hours.

I think if you do it once a day, or effen worse, once every few days,

you run the risk of tkaing partially metabolized, partially mobilized

toxins, or partially " bugged " bugs, and then slwoing down to your

usual cold, poor detox state, and redepositing stuff and stressing

your body more, or just having angry bugs that then multiploy more or

something.

Allt his is speculation.