sauna/rife update: I no longer have CFS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/17/03 3:25:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

, I forget which kind of rife machine you had--can you remind me?

Ultimate B3 with amp.

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm really confused now. I will blame it on the list being

down for a few days. , are you doing regular saunas and FIR,

steam saunas or dry, and if both hot saunas and FIR how much of each?

Your progress, as well as Peggy's is very encouraging. TIA,

Mike C.

In , jseaton357@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/17/03 3:25:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:

> , I forget which kind of rife machine you had--can you remind

me?

> Ultimate B3 with amp.

[Guest guest]

Seems like I read several years ago that saunas stimulate the release

of growth hormone.

Maybe this has something to do with it?

Zippy

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> In a message dated 9/16/03 11:52:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:

> Yes, I would say if you don't have post exertional fatigue, then

> you don't have CFS. Of course, I believe your case was never as

> severe as some, as you have always been able to exercise some.

There

> are a lot of PWCs who get exhausted just reading this list and

typing.

> The stats are that a small percentage of CFS patients will improve

> within 2-4 years, and fortunately, you are one of them. Also, the

> less severe the case initially, the better the chances are of

> remission/being well again.

> Oh, well I was not always able to exercise. For 2.5 years any time

I step

> foot in my club and exercised I would have a month long crash and I

think you

> know what a crash is like. I also came home from work aching right

down into

> the leg muscles, especially lower legs, would sleep a good 8 hours

and still

> wake up feeling exausted and require an afternoon nap, had a NK

Assay worse than

> probably any on this list, scored as high as one can on Cigua test,

had low

> cortisol, melatonin, super low BP, still have difficulty thinking

as clear as

> I'd like. But you are right, my case is no where severe as many on

this list.

> This list attracts some of the worst b/c if they were not bad off

they

> wouldn't be spending their time on here trying to get well when

they don't need to.

> I agree though, I definitely can no longer be diagnosed as CFS b/c

the post

> exertional fatigue part of this illness is GONE. I can work long

and late hours

> at work now and still not have any type of crash too. I tell you

though, the

> single biggest aid in skipping over symptoms and having

instantaneous success

> is LONG periods of time in the sauna--for me seems like 25 min is

key. I

> used sauna over the last year but never did the very long sessions

until the last

> several weeks which has catipulted me into a new level of health,

thank

> goodness. Now if I can only get to the bottom of what is causing

my seborrheic

> dermatitis I think I may simultaneously find out what else has

contributed to my

> CFS or is holding me back from having even better success.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

Are you using the home made version that Mercola describes or some

other kind of IR bulb device?

thanks,

penny

> > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no longer have

CFS

> > but that is

> > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to make sure this

> was

> > indeed the

> > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just saying I no longer

> > have CFS. Am I

> > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens again and again

and

> > that is,

> > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I simply go do 25

min

> > of my health

> > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping out of there

> and

> > cooling down

> > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist, with a very

gloomy

> > feeling

> > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a wooden bench

and

> > then w/i 20 min

> > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and blowing out old

> > records. Hard

> > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was exercising just

one

> > time per

> > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am exercising any

time

> I

> > want and for

> > > as long as I want and doing bench press and pullups with my own

> > weight for

> > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full course heavy

> weight

> > workout like

> > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense cardio work

before

> > hand! No

> > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I continue to rife

> in

> > case anyone is

> > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal frequencies b/c

I

> > have

> > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I tried this

last

> > Thur I felt like crap

> > > the following several days and my stools were very toxic

> > consistency and

> > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked some yeast out

for

> > a few days, b/c

> > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the skin problems

> > started to come

> > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal issues

contributing

> > to my CFS.

> > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's program for

several

> > weeks and did

> > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did not help a bit

> and

> > the

> > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno Science Labs

showed

> > me negative for C.

> > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like there could be

> > other yeast/fungal

> > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you may remember

me

> > reporting

> > > back last April, before I left Miami I was experimenting with a

> > rife machine for

> > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first and was

feeling

> > greater than

> > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal and just like

> > this past time

> > > on my own machine when I just recently experimented for the

first

> > time since

> > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is why I said back

> > then that I

> > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of my problem and

> > not just lyme.

> > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or at least very

> > controlled from

> > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues to be

> > experimented with.

> > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the most powerful

band

> > aid treatments

> > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I can not

> honestly

> > call myself

> > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of consistent

improvement

> > with no

> > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio and suffer no

> > repercussions that

> > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say? Nonetheless, I

still

> > would like

> > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see if there are

any

> > issues I have

> > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for instance to

stay

> > well, plus

> > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly and not take

> > melatonin to

> > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I will not shoot

for

> > the sky with even

> > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you, sweating like I

> do

> > in the

> > > sauna really sucks and is really torture treatment for me and I

> > wouldn't be donig

> > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial instantaneously.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Probably very similar. Dr Larry actually made mine (I'm not

the builder type). I have to say--I'm a little astonished--the first

time I did 10 minutes, no big deal, the second time I did about 20,

and tonight about 30. I think I need to do it in the morning as it

revs me up a bit. I'm not sleepy.

But what astonishes me--I didn't make the connection until now--I am

having back pain. And that was one of my first lyme symptoms once I

started taking abx. I caught my lyme 12 days after the bite--had

bullseye etc. At that time I had stiff neck, fever, and some

muscle/tendon soreness. I started on doxycycline and my back started

killing me!

Well...it is hurting now. I don't mind, I'm just kind of surprised

it is stirring up something in my back muscles. And I didn't even

sit with my back to the bulbs, but my front mostly, because I was

reading a magazine by the infrared lights.

I am planning to start some colonics and do some detoxxing. I want

to be sure my systems are open, because even though you are sweating

out toxins it looks like you are moving stuff...and apparently

irritaitng spirochetes. Who knows.

I think its much more powerful than I anticipated. Which is what Dr.

WIlson's books says.

Combining this with hyperbaric--and I'm trying, every so often, an

ozone sauna someone has, could be pretty strong therapy. But I'll

just have to find out.

Now I am going to TRY and sleep but I really don't feel sleepy.

> > > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no longer have

> CFS

> > > but that is

> > > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to make sure

this

> > was

> > > indeed the

> > > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just saying I no

longer

> > > have CFS. Am I

> > > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens again and again

> and

> > > that is,

> > > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I simply go do 25

> min

> > > of my health

> > > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping out of

there

> > and

> > > cooling down

> > > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist, with a very

> gloomy

> > > feeling

> > > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a wooden bench

> and

> > > then w/i 20 min

> > > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and blowing out

old

> > > records. Hard

> > > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was exercising just

> one

> > > time per

> > > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am exercising any

> time

> > I

> > > want and for

> > > > as long as I want and doing bench press and pullups with my

own

> > > weight for

> > > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full course heavy

> > weight

> > > workout like

> > > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense cardio work

> before

> > > hand! No

> > > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I continue to

rife

> > in

> > > case anyone is

> > > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal frequencies

b/c

> I

> > > have

> > > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I tried this

> last

> > > Thur I felt like crap

> > > > the following several days and my stools were very toxic

> > > consistency and

> > > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked some yeast out

> for

> > > a few days, b/c

> > > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the skin problems

> > > started to come

> > > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal issues

> contributing

> > > to my CFS.

> > > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's program for

> several

> > > weeks and did

> > > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did not help a

bit

> > and

> > > the

> > > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno Science Labs

> showed

> > > me negative for C.

> > > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like there could be

> > > other yeast/fungal

> > > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you may

remember

> me

> > > reporting

> > > > back last April, before I left Miami I was experimenting with

a

> > > rife machine for

> > > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first and was

> feeling

> > > greater than

> > > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal and just

like

> > > this past time

> > > > on my own machine when I just recently experimented for the

> first

> > > time since

> > > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is why I said

back

> > > then that I

> > > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of my problem

and

> > > not just lyme.

> > > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or at least

very

> > > controlled from

> > > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues to be

> > > experimented with.

> > > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the most powerful

> band

> > > aid treatments

> > > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I can not

> > honestly

> > > call myself

> > > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of consistent

> improvement

> > > with no

> > > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio and suffer

no

> > > repercussions that

> > > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say? Nonetheless, I

> still

> > > would like

> > > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see if there are

> any

> > > issues I have

> > > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for instance to

> stay

> > > well, plus

> > > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly and not take

> > > melatonin to

> > > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I will not shoot

> for

> > > the sky with even

> > > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you, sweating like

I

> > do

> > > in the

> > > > sauna really sucks and is really torture treatment for me and

I

> > > wouldn't be donig

> > > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial instantaneously.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

This is helpful. I've been thinking about it, as I have a very tiny

toilet enclosure in my bathroom (pretty high ceilings) and have

worried about getting the heaters in and out, or if they'll even fit

at all. Does 's contraption sit on the floor or what? Is it

big, small? Does it have to be moved around? Could it be hung from a

ceiling perhaps? Do you know how to contact him?

Thanks again. I've been pretty interested in this for a while but I

just can't handle the heat of a regular sauna. I'd pass right out,

but this sounds like something I could use. Starting to sweat again

would be great. I actually broke a sweat a week or so ago (hot

weather) for the first time in years, and was really surprised, so

that was encouraging. And having my doctor's approval of the FIR is

encouraging too.

penny

-- In , " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...>

wrote:

> I do believe most everybody is confused, as there's not a lot of

> available, solid literature on ceramic far infrared (I think thas

> what you mean by coils) and bulbs, which are supposedly near

> infrared. Apparently studies don ein Japan were often on bulbs,

but

> they are cited by far infrared sites. Far infrared is specifically

a

> certain narrow spectrum, I believe the bulbs are not as narrowly

> focussed on a spectrum.

>

> I think its a personal choice, depending on the place you live in

and

> your funds. It seems it would be harder to build a far infrared

> sauna, and easier to either buy the heaters and sit between them,

or

> buy an expensive FIR sauna like a healthmate. FIR tents, they

don't

> seem so good to me from what I've read nad heard.

>

> So then its a personal choice based on how you weight your

> decisions. Dr. WIlson can build you the very simple bulb setup for

> $200 if you don't feel like bulding it yourself, and if you have

the

> right size closet, presto. I am finding it surprisingly, rather

> shockingly, effective and strong, so I'm happy with that.

>

> Probalby even regular sauna would do great good--think of Ron

> Hubbard'sprogram, it has helped many. But you feel REALLY hot in

> there and that's difficult.

>

> The problemf or me with the cheap effective solution fo the FIR

> heaters is moving them in and out of hte bathroom is a hassle. I

> have learned to think about daily stress or ease when adopting a

> modality. Travelling to get treatment, or having to hassle around

a

> treatment, makes it harder to do when you're ill. Making it as

easy

> and covnenient as possible is important. And that makes my

decisions

> vary. For instance I've decided to do some colonics as part of this

> sauna program. Now, it would be cheaper to do them at home, but I

> think the hassle of doing them at home and the messiness of it

would

> be so stressful to me that I would probably NOT do them. So in

this

> case, I will choose to pay a professional; whereas with sauna,

there

> is a healthclub 2 blocks from me with ab ulb sauna to which a

friend

> bought me a membership, and I never go. To be around healthy

> exercising people, to have to chang einto my bathing siut every

time,

> is more stressful than having my home " sauna. "

>

> So, I think in sum you weigh all thef actors, knowing that both

bulbs

> and ceramic FIR are good modalities and its an individual decision

> based on finances, how your home is built, and what things feel

> convenient for you versus stressful. The one concern I have with

the

> FIR heaters is that sitting between them in open air will be much

> less effective than sitting in a tyhpical sauna enclosure.

>

>

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > I just read your message where you describe using the

> > conventional

> > > sauna which has a few IR bulbs. That seems to make the message

I

> > > just sent to you moot. Sorry for that, I was hoping it was a

> > > separate room and that there was a conventional reason for it's

> > > use... one that I could use to convince the local YMCA.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sauna/rife update: I no longer

> > have

> > > CFS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no longer

have

> > CFS

> > > but that is

> > > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to make sure

> this

> > > was indeed the

> > > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just saying I no

> longer

> > > have CFS. Am I

> > > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens again and

again

> > and

> > > that is,

> > > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I simply go do

25

> > min

> > > of my health

> > > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping out of

> there

> > > and cooling down

> > > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist, with a very

> > gloomy

> > > feeling

> > > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a wooden

bench

> > and

> > > then w/i 20 min

> > > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and blowing out

> old

> > > records. Hard

> > > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was exercising

just

> > one

> > > time per

> > > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am exercising any

> > time

> > > I want and for

> > > > as long as I want and doing bench press and pullups with my

> own

> > > weight for

> > > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full course heavy

> > > weight workout like

> > > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense cardio work

> > before

> > > hand! No

> > > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I continue to

> rife

> > > in case anyone is

> > > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal frequencies

> b/c

> > I

> > > have

> > > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I tried

this

> > last

> > > Thur I felt like crap

> > > > the following several days and my stools were very toxic

> > > consistency and

> > > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked some yeast

out

> > for

> > > a few days, b/c

> > > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the skin problems

> > > started to come

> > > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal issues

> > contributing

> > > to my CFS.

> > > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's program for

> > several

> > > weeks and did

> > > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did not help a

> bit

> > > and the

> > > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno Science Labs

> > showed

> > > me negative for C.

> > > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like there could

be

> > > other yeast/fungal

> > > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you may

> remember

> > me

> > > reporting

> > > > back last April, before I left Miami I was experimenting

with

> a

> > > rife machine for

> > > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first and was

> > feeling

> > > greater than

> > > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal and just

> like

> > > this past time

> > > > on my own machine when I just recently experimented for the

> > first

> > > time since

> > > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is why I said

> back

> > > then that I

> > > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of my problem

> and

> > > not just lyme.

> > > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or at least

> very

> > > controlled from

> > > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues to be

> > > experimented with.

> > > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the most powerful

> > band

> > > aid treatments

> > > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I can not

> > > honestly call myself

> > > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of consistent

> > improvement

> > > with no

> > > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio and suffer

> no

> > > repercussions that

> > > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say? Nonetheless, I

> > still

> > > would like

> > > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see if there

are

> > any

> > > issues I have

> > > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for instance

to

> > stay

> > > well, plus

> > > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly and not

take

> > > melatonin to

> > > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I will not

shoot

> > for

> > > the sky with even

> > > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you, sweating

like

> I

> > > do in the

> > > > sauna really sucks and is really torture treatment for me

and

> I

> > > wouldn't be donig

> > > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial instantaneously.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

If your ceiling sare high you'd have to build a false ceiling of some

kind. Remember heat rises so if you have a high ceiling then you'll

lose a lot of the heat. Then you could simply nail the sauna unit to

the wall (it's really pretty simple, it's three big infrared bulbs

with wire mesh guard over them, a light switch, and in the back

they're connected with a cord coming out to plug in the wall. So you

flip the switch adn on come the sauna lights. You don't move it

around and you can't do it from the ceiling. Just put it on the

wall. YOu need to be a minimnum of 18 inches from the bulbs (or

they'll feel they're burning your skin) but his ideal enclosure is 4

by 4 so you don't want to sit too far away. You WILL feel hot. But

not as hot as a regular sauna. He likes it to get up to 115 in there

but I've only gotten up to 95 as I haven't done my enclosure yet.

Just go to google.com and type in " larry wilson sauna " and you'll

find his webpage, email, phone # etc.

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just read your message where you describe using the

> > > conventional

> > > > sauna which has a few IR bulbs. That seems to make the

message

> I

> > > > just sent to you moot. Sorry for that, I was hoping it was a

> > > > separate room and that there was a conventional reason for

it's

> > > > use... one that I could use to convince the local YMCA.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sauna/rife update: I no

longer

> > > have

> > > > CFS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no longer

> have

> > > CFS

> > > > but that is

> > > > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to make sure

> > this

> > > > was indeed the

> > > > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just saying I no

> > longer

> > > > have CFS. Am I

> > > > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens again and

> again

> > > and

> > > > that is,

> > > > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I simply go

do

> 25

> > > min

> > > > of my health

> > > > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping out of

> > there

> > > > and cooling down

> > > > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist, with a

very

> > > gloomy

> > > > feeling

> > > > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a wooden

> bench

> > > and

> > > > then w/i 20 min

> > > > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and blowing

out

> > old

> > > > records. Hard

> > > > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was exercising

> just

> > > one

> > > > time per

> > > > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am exercising

any

> > > time

> > > > I want and for

> > > > > as long as I want and doing bench press and pullups with

my

> > own

> > > > weight for

> > > > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full course

heavy

> > > > weight workout like

> > > > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense cardio work

> > > before

> > > > hand! No

> > > > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I continue

to

> > rife

> > > > in case anyone is

> > > > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal

frequencies

> > b/c

> > > I

> > > > have

> > > > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I tried

> this

> > > last

> > > > Thur I felt like crap

> > > > > the following several days and my stools were very toxic

> > > > consistency and

> > > > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked some yeast

> out

> > > for

> > > > a few days, b/c

> > > > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the skin

problems

> > > > started to come

> > > > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal issues

> > > contributing

> > > > to my CFS.

> > > > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's program for

> > > several

> > > > weeks and did

> > > > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did not help

a

> > bit

> > > > and the

> > > > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno Science Labs

> > > showed

> > > > me negative for C.

> > > > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like there

could

> be

> > > > other yeast/fungal

> > > > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you may

> > remember

> > > me

> > > > reporting

> > > > > back last April, before I left Miami I was experimenting

> with

> > a

> > > > rife machine for

> > > > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first and was

> > > feeling

> > > > greater than

> > > > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal and just

> > like

> > > > this past time

> > > > > on my own machine when I just recently experimented for

the

> > > first

> > > > time since

> > > > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is why I said

> > back

> > > > then that I

> > > > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of my

problem

> > and

> > > > not just lyme.

> > > > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or at

least

> > very

> > > > controlled from

> > > > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues to be

> > > > experimented with.

> > > > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the most

powerful

> > > band

> > > > aid treatments

> > > > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I can not

> > > > honestly call myself

> > > > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of consistent

> > > improvement

> > > > with no

> > > > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio and

suffer

> > no

> > > > repercussions that

> > > > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say? Nonetheless,

I

> > > still

> > > > would like

> > > > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see if there

> are

> > > any

> > > > issues I have

> > > > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for instance

> to

> > > stay

> > > > well, plus

> > > > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly and not

> take

> > > > melatonin to

> > > > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I will not

> shoot

> > > for

> > > > the sky with even

> > > > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you, sweating

> like

> > I

> > > > do in the

> > > > > sauna really sucks and is really torture treatment for me

> and

> > I

> > > > wouldn't be donig

> > > > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial instantaneously.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy. I just now saw your response. Thanks. I will do a search as

you suggest. I'd have to put mine right behind or next to the toilet,

but perhaps that would work. Does it stick out far? I'll go search

around and see what I can find. Just checked and the ceilings aren't

THAT high in there. It's just such a small space with a window up

high that it feels high. Kind of the size of an old fashioned closet.

Enough room for a toilet and the door.

Thanks again. I was thinking the heaters would be the easiest way to

go, but I'm still concerned that I won't be able to get them and me

to fit in there without some serious manuevering. I'm not sure where

I'd be able to sit. Will have to think about it. But would really

like to get going on this.

Also, are you saying that the bulbs do make the temp higher in the

room than the infrared? I get really woozy in a hot shower or tub.

Don't think I could handle high temps for long.

penny

> > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just read your message where you describe using the

> > > > conventional

> > > > > sauna which has a few IR bulbs. That seems to make the

> message

> > I

> > > > > just sent to you moot. Sorry for that, I was hoping it was

a

> > > > > separate room and that there was a conventional reason for

> it's

> > > > > use... one that I could use to convince the local YMCA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sauna/rife update: I no

> longer

> > > > have

> > > > > CFS

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no longer

> > have

> > > > CFS

> > > > > but that is

> > > > > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to make

sure

> > > this

> > > > > was indeed the

> > > > > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just saying I no

> > > longer

> > > > > have CFS. Am I

> > > > > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > > > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens again and

> > again

> > > > and

> > > > > that is,

> > > > > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I simply go

> do

> > 25

> > > > min

> > > > > of my health

> > > > > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping out

of

> > > there

> > > > > and cooling down

> > > > > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist, with a

> very

> > > > gloomy

> > > > > feeling

> > > > > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a wooden

> > bench

> > > > and

> > > > > then w/i 20 min

> > > > > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and blowing

> out

> > > old

> > > > > records. Hard

> > > > > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was exercising

> > just

> > > > one

> > > > > time per

> > > > > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am exercising

> any

> > > > time

> > > > > I want and for

> > > > > > as long as I want and doing bench press and pullups

with

> my

> > > own

> > > > > weight for

> > > > > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full course

> heavy

> > > > > weight workout like

> > > > > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense cardio

work

> > > > before

> > > > > hand! No

> > > > > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I continue

> to

> > > rife

> > > > > in case anyone is

> > > > > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal

> frequencies

> > > b/c

> > > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I tried

> > this

> > > > last

> > > > > Thur I felt like crap

> > > > > > the following several days and my stools were very

toxic

> > > > > consistency and

> > > > > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked some

yeast

> > out

> > > > for

> > > > > a few days, b/c

> > > > > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the skin

> problems

> > > > > started to come

> > > > > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal issues

> > > > contributing

> > > > > to my CFS.

> > > > > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's program

for

> > > > several

> > > > > weeks and did

> > > > > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did not

help

> a

> > > bit

> > > > > and the

> > > > > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno Science

Labs

> > > > showed

> > > > > me negative for C.

> > > > > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like there

> could

> > be

> > > > > other yeast/fungal

> > > > > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you may

> > > remember

> > > > me

> > > > > reporting

> > > > > > back last April, before I left Miami I was

experimenting

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > rife machine for

> > > > > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first and

was

> > > > feeling

> > > > > greater than

> > > > > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal and

just

> > > like

> > > > > this past time

> > > > > > on my own machine when I just recently experimented for

> the

> > > > first

> > > > > time since

> > > > > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is why I

said

> > > back

> > > > > then that I

> > > > > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of my

> problem

> > > and

> > > > > not just lyme.

> > > > > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or at

> least

> > > very

> > > > > controlled from

> > > > > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues to be

> > > > > experimented with.

> > > > > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the most

> powerful

> > > > band

> > > > > aid treatments

> > > > > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I can

not

> > > > > honestly call myself

> > > > > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of consistent

> > > > improvement

> > > > > with no

> > > > > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio and

> suffer

> > > no

> > > > > repercussions that

> > > > > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say?

Nonetheless,

> I

> > > > still

> > > > > would like

> > > > > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see if

there

> > are

> > > > any

> > > > > issues I have

> > > > > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for

instance

> > to

> > > > stay

> > > > > well, plus

> > > > > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly and not

> > take

> > > > > melatonin to

> > > > > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I will not

> > shoot

> > > > for

> > > > > the sky with even

> > > > > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you,

sweating

> > like

> > > I

> > > > > do in the

> > > > > > sauna really sucks and is really torture treatment for

me

> > and

> > > I

> > > > > wouldn't be donig

> > > > > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial instantaneously.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes the temperature will get higher, and if you have Dr. make

this for you he'll send a big round thermometer to put on the wall.

You can just crack the door open if you're getting too hot, but I

think, instead, you should just start with shorter times.

They don't stick out that far, let me go measure, hold on...

A little over 7 inches out from the wall.

I haven't build my false ceiling yet, it's easy enough to do in my

closet by extending the top shelf with a piece of heavy cardboard

from the art store. But I get hot enough as it is and I haven't had

time to go to the art store.

All I can say is...this is a profound therapy, I didn't realize it.

I got into it because Lance, who sold me my mild hyperbaric chamber,

did hyperbaric with sauna (stacked one after the other) to get well

from lyme. He was pretty serious about me adding in sauna so I did

it just because he said so...I had no idea it was this important.

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just read your message where you describe using the

> > > > > conventional

> > > > > > sauna which has a few IR bulbs. That seems to make the

> > message

> > > I

> > > > > > just sent to you moot. Sorry for that, I was hoping it

was

> a

> > > > > > separate room and that there was a conventional reason

for

> > it's

> > > > > > use... one that I could use to convince the local YMCA.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sauna/rife update: I no

> > longer

> > > > > have

> > > > > > CFS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no

longer

> > > have

> > > > > CFS

> > > > > > but that is

> > > > > > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to make

> sure

> > > > this

> > > > > > was indeed the

> > > > > > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just saying I

no

> > > > longer

> > > > > > have CFS. Am I

> > > > > > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > > > > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens again

and

> > > again

> > > > > and

> > > > > > that is,

> > > > > > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I simply

go

> > do

> > > 25

> > > > > min

> > > > > > of my health

> > > > > > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping out

> of

> > > > there

> > > > > > and cooling down

> > > > > > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist, with a

> > very

> > > > > gloomy

> > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a

wooden

> > > bench

> > > > > and

> > > > > > then w/i 20 min

> > > > > > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and

blowing

> > out

> > > > old

> > > > > > records. Hard

> > > > > > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was

exercising

> > > just

> > > > > one

> > > > > > time per

> > > > > > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am

exercising

> > any

> > > > > time

> > > > > > I want and for

> > > > > > > as long as I want and doing bench press and pullups

> with

> > my

> > > > own

> > > > > > weight for

> > > > > > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full course

> > heavy

> > > > > > weight workout like

> > > > > > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense cardio

> work

> > > > > before

> > > > > > hand! No

> > > > > > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I

continue

> > to

> > > > rife

> > > > > > in case anyone is

> > > > > > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal

> > frequencies

> > > > b/c

> > > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I

tried

> > > this

> > > > > last

> > > > > > Thur I felt like crap

> > > > > > > the following several days and my stools were very

> toxic

> > > > > > consistency and

> > > > > > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked some

> yeast

> > > out

> > > > > for

> > > > > > a few days, b/c

> > > > > > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the skin

> > problems

> > > > > > started to come

> > > > > > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal issues

> > > > > contributing

> > > > > > to my CFS.

> > > > > > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's program

> for

> > > > > several

> > > > > > weeks and did

> > > > > > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did not

> help

> > a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno Science

> Labs

> > > > > showed

> > > > > > me negative for C.

> > > > > > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like there

> > could

> > > be

> > > > > > other yeast/fungal

> > > > > > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you may

> > > > remember

> > > > > me

> > > > > > reporting

> > > > > > > back last April, before I left Miami I was

> experimenting

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > rife machine for

> > > > > > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first and

> was

> > > > > feeling

> > > > > > greater than

> > > > > > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal and

> just

> > > > like

> > > > > > this past time

> > > > > > > on my own machine when I just recently experimented

for

> > the

> > > > > first

> > > > > > time since

> > > > > > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is why I

> said

> > > > back

> > > > > > then that I

> > > > > > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of my

> > problem

> > > > and

> > > > > > not just lyme.

> > > > > > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or at

> > least

> > > > very

> > > > > > controlled from

> > > > > > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues to

be

> > > > > > experimented with.

> > > > > > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the most

> > powerful

> > > > > band

> > > > > > aid treatments

> > > > > > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I can

> not

> > > > > > honestly call myself

> > > > > > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of consistent

> > > > > improvement

> > > > > > with no

> > > > > > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio and

> > suffer

> > > > no

> > > > > > repercussions that

> > > > > > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say?

> Nonetheless,

> > I

> > > > > still

> > > > > > would like

> > > > > > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see if

> there

> > > are

> > > > > any

> > > > > > issues I have

> > > > > > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for

> instance

> > > to

> > > > > stay

> > > > > > well, plus

> > > > > > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly and

not

> > > take

> > > > > > melatonin to

> > > > > > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I will

not

> > > shoot

> > > > > for

> > > > > > the sky with even

> > > > > > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you,

> sweating

> > > like

> > > > I

> > > > > > do in the

> > > > > > > sauna really sucks and is really torture treatment

for

> me

> > > and

> > > > I

> > > > > > wouldn't be donig

> > > > > > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial instantaneously.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

You have an HBO unit? How has that worked for you? I bought one, and

had a tough time operating it alone. The company has been really

awful about letting me return it, so now it's at my Doctor's office.

He's saying it should have a mask inside to breathe the concentrated

oxygen, or else it's not that effective. Does yours have a mask? Did

it help? Are you still using it?

penny

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just read your message where you describe using the

> > > > > > conventional

> > > > > > > sauna which has a few IR bulbs. That seems to make the

> > > message

> > > > I

> > > > > > > just sent to you moot. Sorry for that, I was hoping it

> was

> > a

> > > > > > > separate room and that there was a conventional reason

> for

> > > it's

> > > > > > > use... one that I could use to convince the local YMCA.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sauna/rife update: I

no

> > > longer

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > CFS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no

> longer

> > > > have

> > > > > > CFS

> > > > > > > but that is

> > > > > > > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to

make

> > sure

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > was indeed the

> > > > > > > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just saying

I

> no

> > > > > longer

> > > > > > > have CFS. Am I

> > > > > > > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > > > > > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens again

> and

> > > > again

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > that is,

> > > > > > > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I

simply

> go

> > > do

> > > > 25

> > > > > > min

> > > > > > > of my health

> > > > > > > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping

out

> > of

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > and cooling down

> > > > > > > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist, with

a

> > > very

> > > > > > gloomy

> > > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a

> wooden

> > > > bench

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > then w/i 20 min

> > > > > > > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and

> blowing

> > > out

> > > > > old

> > > > > > > records. Hard

> > > > > > > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was

> exercising

> > > > just

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > time per

> > > > > > > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am

> exercising

> > > any

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > I want and for

> > > > > > > > as long as I want and doing bench press and pullups

> > with

> > > my

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > weight for

> > > > > > > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full

course

> > > heavy

> > > > > > > weight workout like

> > > > > > > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense

cardio

> > work

> > > > > > before

> > > > > > > hand! No

> > > > > > > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I

> continue

> > > to

> > > > > rife

> > > > > > > in case anyone is

> > > > > > > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal

> > > frequencies

> > > > > b/c

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I

> tried

> > > > this

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > Thur I felt like crap

> > > > > > > > the following several days and my stools were very

> > toxic

> > > > > > > consistency and

> > > > > > > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked some

> > yeast

> > > > out

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > a few days, b/c

> > > > > > > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the skin

> > > problems

> > > > > > > started to come

> > > > > > > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal issues

> > > > > > contributing

> > > > > > > to my CFS.

> > > > > > > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's

program

> > for

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > weeks and did

> > > > > > > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did not

> > help

> > > a

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno

Science

> > Labs

> > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > me negative for C.

> > > > > > > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like

there

> > > could

> > > > be

> > > > > > > other yeast/fungal

> > > > > > > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you

may

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > reporting

> > > > > > > > back last April, before I left Miami I was

> > experimenting

> > > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > rife machine for

> > > > > > > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first

and

> > was

> > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > greater than

> > > > > > > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal

and

> > just

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > this past time

> > > > > > > > on my own machine when I just recently experimented

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > time since

> > > > > > > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is why

I

> > said

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > then that I

> > > > > > > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of my

> > > problem

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > not just lyme.

> > > > > > > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or

at

> > > least

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > controlled from

> > > > > > > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues to

> be

> > > > > > > experimented with.

> > > > > > > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the most

> > > powerful

> > > > > > band

> > > > > > > aid treatments

> > > > > > > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I

can

> > not

> > > > > > > honestly call myself

> > > > > > > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of

consistent

> > > > > > improvement

> > > > > > > with no

> > > > > > > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio

and

> > > suffer

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > repercussions that

> > > > > > > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say?

> > Nonetheless,

> > > I

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > would like

> > > > > > > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see if

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > issues I have

> > > > > > > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for

> > instance

> > > > to

> > > > > > stay

> > > > > > > well, plus

> > > > > > > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly and

> not

> > > > take

> > > > > > > melatonin to

> > > > > > > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I will

> not

> > > > shoot

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > the sky with even

> > > > > > > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you,

> > sweating

> > > > like

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > do in the

> > > > > > > > sauna really sucks and is really torture treatment

> for

> > me

> > > > and

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > wouldn't be donig

> > > > > > > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial

instantaneously.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Did you buy a mild portable chamber? That's what I have, the large

size.

It is wonderful for me, absolutely the best, I bliss out in the

chamber, I feel great, except my eyes are sensitive to oxygen (my

vision/the lens) so I am having some side effects from that so I try

not to do it more than 2x-3x week.

It is easy for me to operate...zip up the outside, zip up the inside,

and it pressurizes naturally. I do use an oxygen concentrator (a

good one, Integra) and a salter mask to breathe in. I do agree it

wouldn't be nearly as effective if you just pressurize and don't

breathe oxygen. If you want some more advice, email me privately and

I'll even talk to you about it on the phone. You *gave* it to your

doctor???? You should take it back and let me explain how to use it.

You are very lucky to have one!

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I just read your message where you describe using

the

> > > > > > > conventional

> > > > > > > > sauna which has a few IR bulbs. That seems to make

the

> > > > message

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > just sent to you moot. Sorry for that, I was hoping

it

> > was

> > > a

> > > > > > > > separate room and that there was a conventional

reason

> > for

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > use... one that I could use to convince the local

YMCA.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sauna/rife update: I

> no

> > > > longer

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > CFS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I may be going out on a limb here by saying I no

> > longer

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > CFS

> > > > > > > > but that is

> > > > > > > > > my feeling after holding off for a while now to

> make

> > > sure

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > was indeed the

> > > > > > > > > case. I am not saying I am cured, but just

saying

> I

> > no

> > > > > > longer

> > > > > > > > have CFS. Am I

> > > > > > > > > nuts? I don't think so. It's just how it is.

> > > > > > > > > Ok gang, thought I'd report that this happens

again

> > and

> > > > > again

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > that is,

> > > > > > > > > when I am down and not feeling so wonderful I

> simply

> > go

> > > > do

> > > > > 25

> > > > > > > min

> > > > > > > > of my health

> > > > > > > > > club's traditional/IR bulb sauna and w/i stepping

> out

> > > of

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > and cooling down

> > > > > > > > > I feel almost nauseus and wish I didn't exist,

with

> a

> > > > very

> > > > > > > gloomy

> > > > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > > > over me, but I just rest outside the sauna on a

> > wooden

> > > > > bench

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > then w/i 20 min

> > > > > > > > > later i am exercising as if it is a new day and

> > blowing

> > > > out

> > > > > > old

> > > > > > > > records. Hard

> > > > > > > > > to imagine little more than a year ago I was

> > exercising

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > time per

> > > > > > > > > week and that was a very big deal. Now I am

> > exercising

> > > > any

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > I want and for

> > > > > > > > > as long as I want and doing bench press and

pullups

> > > with

> > > > my

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > weight for

> > > > > > > > > first time in 4 years and not only did my full

> course

> > > > heavy

> > > > > > > > weight workout like

> > > > > > > > > normal last night but also did 36 min intense

> cardio

> > > work

> > > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > hand! No

> > > > > > > > > crashing whatsoever today. This rules. Yes I

> > continue

> > > > to

> > > > > > rife

> > > > > > > > in case anyone is

> > > > > > > > > wondering. I may experiment with yeast/fungal

> > > > frequencies

> > > > > > b/c

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > seborrheic dermatitis skin issues and last time I

> > tried

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > Thur I felt like crap

> > > > > > > > > the following several days and my stools were

very

> > > toxic

> > > > > > > > consistency and

> > > > > > > > > smelled bad too, so the rife must have knocked

some

> > > yeast

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a few days, b/c

> > > > > > > > > my skin even cleared up, BUT 3 days later the

skin

> > > > problems

> > > > > > > > started to come

> > > > > > > > > back, so I don't know if I have yeast/fungal

issues

> > > > > > > contributing

> > > > > > > > to my CFS.

> > > > > > > > > Everyone blames candida but I tried the DO's

> program

> > > for

> > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > weeks and did

> > > > > > > > > w/o sugar or fruit and took Diflucan and it did

not

> > > help

> > > > a

> > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > state-of-the-art C. Albicans Assay by Immuno

> Science

> > > Labs

> > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > me negative for C.

> > > > > > > > > albicans lat winter when I did it. Seems like

> there

> > > > could

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > other yeast/fungal

> > > > > > > > > issues causing some of our problems. Some of you

> may

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > reporting

> > > > > > > > > back last April, before I left Miami I was

> > > experimenting

> > > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > rife machine for

> > > > > > > > > the first time. I did lyme frequencies at first

> and

> > > was

> > > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > > greater than

> > > > > > > > > ever for a few days but later I did yeast/fungal

> and

> > > just

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > this past time

> > > > > > > > > on my own machine when I just recently

experimented

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > time since

> > > > > > > > > April, I felt like crap with herxing. This is

why

> I

> > > said

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > then that I

> > > > > > > > > thought I still may have yeast/fungal at core of

my

> > > > problem

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > not just lyme.

> > > > > > > > > So if I have lyme it is apparently either dead or

> at

> > > > least

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > controlled from

> > > > > > > > > my abx and rife use, leaving yeast/fungal issues

to

> > be

> > > > > > > > experimented with.

> > > > > > > > > Until then the sauna use serves as one of the

most

> > > > powerful

> > > > > > > band

> > > > > > > > aid treatments

> > > > > > > > > to put me into a sustained remission from CFS. I

> can

> > > not

> > > > > > > > honestly call myself

> > > > > > > > > a CFSer any longer. Too many weeks now of

> consistent

> > > > > > > improvement

> > > > > > > > with no

> > > > > > > > > crashing. When a man can even do intense cardio

> and

> > > > suffer

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > repercussions that

> > > > > > > > > is proof in the pudding, wouldn't you say?

> > > Nonetheless,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > would like

> > > > > > > > > to use up my insurance and see Shoemaker to see

if

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > issues I have

> > > > > > > > > missed that still make me dependent on sauna for

> > > instance

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > stay

> > > > > > > > well, plus

> > > > > > > > > I'd still like to be able to think more clearly

and

> > not

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > > melatonin to

> > > > > > > > > sleep. I may be well but that does not mean I

will

> > not

> > > > > shoot

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > the sky with even

> > > > > > > > > more improvement now b/c to be honest with you,

> > > sweating

> > > > > like

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > do in the

> > > > > > > > > sauna really sucks and is really torture

treatment

> > for

> > > me

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > wouldn't be donig

> > > > > > > > > it if I didn't find it so beneficial

> instantaneously.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >