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Dear Jo,

I'm very sorry that you had such a frustrating time. How is your daughter

doing now? Have you made any more progress? While I think that a

dysfunctional immune system is the root cause for the problems of most of

these kids I don't think that we have all of the answers yet. In every

disease process that I am familiar with there are always a percentage of

people who will fail the treatment that benefits the majority. I took my

daughter to Dr. Rapp who said that would be very easy to get on track

and while she did improve she never reached the level that Dr. Rapp thought

she would. I still respect Dr. Rapp and the fact that her approach has helped

many people. My personal opinion is that there are some children that have a

somewhat different genetic make up. That is from my work with 's

Syndrome for a number of years and, sorry, I cannot give you an article to

read! Kathy R

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Mr Dugua:

Please look up the original DAN! document written in 1995. You will see

that the original DAN! protocol refers to autoimmunity in autism and

recommends several tests and treatments. DAN! has always been " on-board " .

I got in on this thread because someone was interested in going to the DAN!

Conference and Dr. Goldberg did not agree with the approach so they decided

not to go. My point here is that Dr. Goldberg criticizes DAN! and all his

points can be applied right back at him and his approach.

I believe Dr. G's approach has merit. That is why I subscribe to this list.

My daughter was in his care for two years. I have had many hours of phone

conversations with him.

My daughter was on Nizoral for 9 months and Diflucan for 7 months. My

daughter never had a candida problem. None of her testing ever showed a

candida problem. He told me all kids with a dysregulated immune system have

a candida problem. She was on zovirax for 8 months then switched to valtrex

for 9 months. Her HHV6 tires went from 1:120 to 1:640. This is also after

the kutapressin was added. When we started with Dr. G my daughter had

reactions to 2 foods. Her eosinophils were 1.2% When we finished she was

allergic to 12 foods. Her eosinophils were 4.5% She ate everything when we

started with him. When we finished she was eating only a few items.

The SSRIs were a disaster in our case. He kept promising me that when we

got everything adjusted she would be " normal " . He kept pushing the " normal "

as opposed to what the DAN! docs could do for her. Her neuroSPECT was one

of the most severe he had ever seen, and this was after being in his care

for 13 months.

This is something else I would like to let you know, Mr. Dugua. Dr.

Goldberg told me that Carmen was one of the more difficult kids he was

working with. He told us to come out to LA for a neuroSPECT in December

1997. He flew out there from Miami. He took a look at her and said she was

a bright eyed kid and a neuroSPECT was not necessary. He told us we should

spend the time seeing Fosnot. We stayed 4 more days to see Dr.

Fosnot. It was a huge expense. I still owe Dr. Fosnot money. Dr. Goldberg

told me she was the best SLP he had seen and she had a different approach.

Dr. Fosnot's approach was no different that the approach we had been taking

since 1995. The idea that what Fosnot does is unique is unfair to the

parents that spend thousands of dollars to fly to LA to see her. I got a

hold of a transcript of a presentation Dr. G. made in North Carolina. In it

he discusses my daughter's visit to see Dr. Fosnot. His spin of what

happened is inaccurate. It was when I read that that I decided he would no

longer be my daughter's physician. I was not impressed with Fosnot,

and Dr. Goldberg used his interpretation of our experience with her to

promote Dr. Fosnot.

He told us he knew he could reach Carmen because she was so bright eyed. He

told us he has never lost a bright eyed kid. I kept asking him if I should

take her to an immunologist. He kept saying not yet. Let me remind you

that I live in Miami - Klimas is right here. He kept telling me not

yet. Well, if this is an autoimmune disease, why should I wait to go to an

immunologist? I finally took her to an immunologist that works with

autistic kids. He was amazed that I found one. See, this is what kills me.

He feels he is the only one doing this, and it has been going on for years.

He told us the earlier a kid came to him the better. We started with him

when Carmen was 3. She is now 6. While in his care her home program was

directed by Lovaas. The Lovaas Institute dropped us after 18 months

because of lack of progress. My daughter's greatest progress happened in

August 1998 - October 1998 when we took her off valtrex and kutapressin and

started doing what the immunologist recommended.

He kept pointing at her HHV6 tires. Did you know that HHV6 tires can be

elevated not because of HHV6 but because of another infection? He kept

stressing that HHV6 was the culprit. However, when we would look at her

elevated measles and rubella tires he would tell me those numbers don't mean

anything. He treats the HHV6 with high doses of acyclovir. There are no

papers proving acyclovir is effective against HHV6. There are no papers

showing high doses of acyclovir are safe in pediatrics.

And just because Dr. G thinks Kutapressin is safe does not mean that it is.

I believe there is a chance in some of these kids with the hyperactive

immune systems, that injecting a child repeated with pig liver can cause

them to build up antibodies against the medication. My daughter's

eosinophils went up on Kutapressin - steadily. I asked Dr. G if she was

reacting to the kutapressin. His response was to assure me she was not.

How can he assure me she was not.

He would make negative comments about Sudhir Gupta who has been working in

autoimmunity in autism for several years. He would discount all the work by

Andy Wakefield. If you would really see the research Wakefield has done you

would see this is hard to discount.

Look, I don't know who did what at DAN!. I have never heard a DAN! doc say

anything negative about Goldberg, but I have heard Goldberg spit venom about

DAN! Again, I started at this because a parent wanted to learn more by

attending the DAN! and Goldberg did not agree. I get concerned when parent

think Goldberg is the only game in town.

Thanks for your time.

Jo

Goldberg/Kane/DAN

>

> From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

>

> Hi all,

>

> My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not jive

> with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

> planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind, as

he

> does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

boat?

>

> Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I

have

> not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has

any

> Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

>

> Trina

>

> ---------------------------

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All of the differences in these children is what needs to be worked out.

Hopefully the trials will accomplish that. My children who have the

same genetics, have shown different immune abnormalities. We worked with an

environmental allergist for a couple of years. My older son had high

eosinophils, my younger son did not. The shots were a big help for my older

son as far as recurrent illness. My younger sons illness progressed in

spite of everything we were doing. My older son although no longer getting

sick all the time, still was having some brain dysfunction, although his

eosinophils are no longer elevated. He is now on antiviral and antifungal

and his brain is working better. If we can get the immune modulators,

hopefully we won't have to work so much to figure out what underlying

problems are causing the dysfunction. Hope things go well for you in the

future. Take Care, Cheryl

Goldberg/Kane/DAN

> >

> > From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not

jive

> > with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

> > planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind,

as

> he

> > does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

> boat?

> >

> > Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I

> have

> > not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has

> any

> > Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

> >

> > Trina

> >

> > ---------------------------

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Jo,

" Autoimmunity " and " immune dysfunction/dysregulation " have vastly

different meanings. Specifically, autoimmunity refers to a state in

which the immune system attacks that which it should recognize as

" self " - illnesses such as lupus, and even diabetes in which

antibodies attack and destroy your own pancreas beta (insulin

producing) cells. The danger of creating an autoimmune condition in

which the body might become sensitized to it's own secretin is one on

the reason several doctors, not just Dr. G., have recommended against

the use of Secretin.

In a state of immune dysfunction, the body is not attacking itself,

but is launching an over- or under-normal response to foreign agents

- bacteria, viruses, foods, etc. The dysregulation is theorized to

release many by-products, including cytokines, which may inhibit

brain function.

I encourage your to read the hypothesis statement, which can be

found at http://www.nids.net for a much deeper discussion of this

topic.

Best wishes,

Sandy

On 18 Sep 99 o Silva (o Silva <onelist>) wrote:

> From: " o Silva " <rsilva@...>

>

> Mr Dugua:

>

> Please look up the original DAN! document written in 1995. You will

> see that the original DAN! protocol refers to autoimmunity in autism

> and recommends several tests and treatments. DAN! has always been

> " on-board " .

>

> I got in on this thread because someone was interested in going to

> the DAN! Conference and Dr. Goldberg did not agree with the approach

> so they decided not to go. My point here is that Dr. Goldberg

> criticizes DAN! and all his points can be applied right back at him

> and his approach.

>

> I believe Dr. G's approach has merit. That is why I subscribe to

> this list. My daughter was in his care for two years. I have had

> many hours of phone conversations with him.

>

> My daughter was on Nizoral for 9 months and Diflucan for 7 months.

> My daughter never had a candida problem. None of her testing ever

> showed a candida problem. He told me all kids with a dysregulated

> immune system have a candida problem. She was on zovirax for 8

> months then switched to valtrex for 9 months. Her HHV6 tires went

> from 1:120 to 1:640. This is also after the kutapressin was added.

> When we started with Dr. G my daughter had reactions to 2 foods.

> Her eosinophils were 1.2% When we finished she was allergic to 12

> foods. Her eosinophils were 4.5% She ate everything when we

> started with him. When we finished she was eating only a few items.

>

> The SSRIs were a disaster in our case. He kept promising me that

> when we got everything adjusted she would be " normal " . He kept

> pushing the " normal " as opposed to what the DAN! docs could do for

> her. Her neuroSPECT was one of the most severe he had ever seen,

> and this was after being in his care for 13 months.

>

> This is something else I would like to let you know, Mr. Dugua. Dr.

> Goldberg told me that Carmen was one of the more difficult kids he

> was working with. He told us to come out to LA for a neuroSPECT in

> December 1997. He flew out there from Miami. He took a look at her

> and said she was a bright eyed kid and a neuroSPECT was not

> necessary. He told us we should spend the time seeing Fosnot.

> We stayed 4 more days to see Dr. Fosnot. It was a huge expense. I

> still owe Dr. Fosnot money. Dr. Goldberg told me she was the best

> SLP he had seen and she had a different approach. Dr. Fosnot's

> approach was no different that the approach we had been taking since

> 1995. The idea that what Fosnot does is unique is unfair to

> the parents that spend thousands of dollars to fly to LA to see her.

> I got a hold of a transcript of a presentation Dr. G. made in North

> Carolina. In it he discusses my daughter's visit to see Dr. Fosnot.

> His spin of what happened is inaccurate. It was when I read that

> that I decided he would no longer be my daughter's physician. I was

> not impressed with Fosnot, and Dr. Goldberg used his

> interpretation of our experience with her to promote Dr. Fosnot.

>

> He told us he knew he could reach Carmen because she was so bright

> eyed. He told us he has never lost a bright eyed kid. I kept

> asking him if I should take her to an immunologist. He kept saying

> not yet. Let me remind you that I live in Miami - Klimas is

> right here. He kept telling me not yet. Well, if this is an

> autoimmune disease, why should I wait to go to an immunologist? I

> finally took her to an immunologist that works with autistic kids.

> He was amazed that I found one. See, this is what kills me. He

> feels he is the only one doing this, and it has been going on for

> years. He told us the earlier a kid came to him the better. We

> started with him when Carmen was 3. She is now 6. While in his

> care her home program was directed by Lovaas. The Lovaas

> Institute dropped us after 18 months because of lack of progress.

> My daughter's greatest progress happened in August 1998 - October

> 1998 when we took her off valtrex and kutapressin and started doing

> what the immunologist recommended.

>

> He kept pointing at her HHV6 tires. Did you know that HHV6 tires

> can be elevated not because of HHV6 but because of another

> infection? He kept stressing that HHV6 was the culprit. However,

> when we would look at her elevated measles and rubella tires he

> would tell me those numbers don't mean anything. He treats the HHV6

> with high doses of acyclovir. There are no papers proving acyclovir

> is effective against HHV6. There are no papers showing high doses

> of acyclovir are safe in pediatrics.

>

> And just because Dr. G thinks Kutapressin is safe does not mean that

> it is. I believe there is a chance in some of these kids with the

> hyperactive immune systems, that injecting a child repeated with pig

> liver can cause them to build up antibodies against the medication.

> My daughter's eosinophils went up on Kutapressin - steadily. I

> asked Dr. G if she was reacting to the kutapressin. His response

> was to assure me she was not. How can he assure me she was not.

>

> He would make negative comments about Sudhir Gupta who has been

> working in autoimmunity in autism for several years. He would

> discount all the work by Andy Wakefield. If you would really see

> the research Wakefield has done you would see this is hard to

> discount.

>

> Look, I don't know who did what at DAN!. I have never heard a DAN!

> doc say anything negative about Goldberg, but I have heard Goldberg

> spit venom about DAN! Again, I started at this because a parent

> wanted to learn more by attending the DAN! and Goldberg did not

> agree. I get concerned when parent think Goldberg is the only game

> in town.

>

> Thanks for your time.

>

> Jo

>

> Goldberg/Kane/DAN

> >

> > From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not jive

> > with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

> > planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind, as

> he

> > does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

> boat?

> >

> > Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I

> have

> > not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has

> any

> > Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

> >

> > Trina

> >

> > ---------------------------

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Sandy:

Dr. Vijendra Singh who presented at the conference researches

antibodies to Myelin Basic Protein and NAFP. These are not foreign agents.

Jo

Goldberg/Kane/DAN

> >

> > From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not

jive

> > with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

> > planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind,

as

> he

> > does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

> boat?

> >

> > Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although I

> have

> > not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff. Has

> any

> > Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

> >

> > Trina

> >

> > > >

> > >

>

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Jo,

You're right, auto-immunity can come from the over-active part of the immune

system. I think thats one of the concerns. Autoimmunity is unfortunately

something that can be or is a part of this.

Cheryl

Goldberg/Kane/DAN

> > >

> > > From: " Montgomery " <mont@...>

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > My son is a Goldberg pt. Goldberg has made it clear that he does not

> jive

> > > with the DAN docs. He has a different opinion. I trust him. I was

> > > planning to attend the DAN conference, but have since changed my mind,

> as

> > he

> > > does not agree with what all they are saying. Anyone else in the same

> > boat?

> > >

> > > Also, I want to implement some of Dr. Kane's ideas, although

I

> > have

> > > not taken my son to see her. I have just read some of her stuff.

Has

> > any

> > > Goldberg pts also tried the Kane approach with success??

> > >

> > > Trina

> > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> > ---------------------------

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Dear Jo,

I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about him in

November of 1998 on

the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that he

was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one of

those doctors

who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition, ego...).

I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten some

results

working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I had

to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this list

are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged that

they don't even want to be part

of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We went

through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

doesn't even look at it.

I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin antibodies. I

asked him

whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr. Shaws's

organic

test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can have

that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we put him

on Nizoral.

To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it when I

last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we took our

son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the SSRI

slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he started

talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school. We

had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would keep

saying, you need

to continue!

I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of spending

thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all the

other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are. Please

don't get fooled by him.

I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least they ask

for blood

test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and SSRI.

Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the same

regardless. Isn't it?

Thanks,

Nilo

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It's one thing to disagree, we all have different opinions. I think this

falls into slander, which I believe all groups have rules against. The

immune dysregulation is not bull, if you look at research being done by many

different doctors, the immune abnormalities are there.

Cheryl

Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

> From: NYouh@...

>

> Dear Jo,

>

> I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

> experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about him

in

> November of 1998 on

> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that he

> was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one of

> those doctors

> who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition,

ego...).

> I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten

some

> results

> working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I

had

> to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this

list

> are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged that

> they don't even want to be part

> of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We went

> through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

> doesn't even look at it.

> I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin antibodies.

I

> asked him

> whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr. Shaws's

> organic

> test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can

have

> that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we put

him

> on Nizoral.

> To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it

when I

> last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

> Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we took

our

> son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the SSRI

> slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he started

> talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school. We

> had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would

keep

> saying, you need

> to continue!

> I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of

spending

> thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all

the

> other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are. Please

> don't get fooled by him.

> I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least they

ask

> for blood

> test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

> Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and

SSRI.

> Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the same

> regardless. Isn't it?

>

> Thanks,

> Nilo

>

>

>

>

> >

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We saw no positive result from Kutapressin until after 3 months then it was

the best thing we ever did. I'm not going to debate about Goldberg and the

good he has done-I'm sure others will. What I can say is we don't think our

son would have recovered from autism without him.

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Dear Nilo:

Thank you for your post concerning Dr. Goldberg. I appreciate taking

the time eventhough your voice would be considered a minority. It

gives parents who are still trying to decide information that is

helpful.

Kelli

>From: NYouh@...

>

>Dear Jo,

>

>I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

>experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about him in

>November of 1998 on

> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that he

>was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one of

>those doctors

>who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition, ego...).

>I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten some

>results

>working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I had

>to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this list

>are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged that

>they don't even want to be part

>of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We went

>through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

>doesn't even look at it.

>I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin antibodies. I

>asked him

>whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr. Shaws's

>organic

>test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can have

>that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we put him

>on Nizoral.

>To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it when I

>last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

>Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we took our

>son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the SSRI

>slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he started

>talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school. We

>had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would keep

>saying, you need

>to continue!

>I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of spending

>thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all the

>other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are. Please

>don't get fooled by him.

>I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least they ask

>for blood

>test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

>Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and SSRI.

>Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the same

>regardless. Isn't it?

>

>Thanks,

>Nilo

>

>

>

>

>

Thank you,

Kelli

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Hi,

This is the first time I am writing to the list but I am at my wits end. I

have a 20 year old son who has been constantly ill with ear infections and

tonsillitis. The doctors keep pumping him full of anibiotics and I am

concerned about resistance to the antibiotics. I have never found a doctor

that is knowledgable in working with autistic children. He is on medicaid

and I don't know if it will pay for all the tests that I see are required

but I am willing to do almost anything to get him healthy. Can anyone tell

me about any doctors in the Houston area who can help us.

Thanks to anyone who can help,

Versa

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Jo,

What did your immunulogist recommend that helped your child? We have not

had much

success with antivirals and anifungals either.

Loretta

> My daughter's greatest progress happened in

> August 1998 - October 1998 when we took her off valtrex and kutapressin

and

> started doing what the immunologist recommended.

>

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We have just learned, the hard way, that Social Security respects the label

of Autism as a diagnosis worthy of benefits. " Allergy syndrome and immune

dysregulation " is scoffed as " not a disability " , and is not a qualifier

for benefits. (The denial letter was actually mocking as well) Publically

recognized, and universally accepted lingo needs to used when using these

terms outside of the and MAT organizations.

Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>From: " 1raptor " <1raptor@...>

>

>It's one thing to disagree, we all have different opinions. I think this

>falls into slander, which I believe all groups have rules against. The

>immune dysregulation is not bull, if you look at research being done by

many

>different doctors, the immune abnormalities are there.

>Cheryl

> Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>

>

>> From: NYouh@...

>>

>> Dear Jo,

>>

>> I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

>> experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about him

>in

>> November of 1998 on

>> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that

he

>> was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one of

>> those doctors

>> who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition,

>ego...).

>> I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten

>some

>> results

>> working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I

>had

>> to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this

>list

>> are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged

that

>> they don't even want to be part

>> of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We went

>> through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

>> doesn't even look at it.

>> I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin antibodies.

>I

>> asked him

>> whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr.

Shaws's

>> organic

>> test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can

>have

>> that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we put

>him

>> on Nizoral.

>> To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it

>when I

>> last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

>> Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we took

>our

>> son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the

SSRI

>> slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he

started

>> talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school.

We

>> had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would

>keep

>> saying, you need

>> to continue!

>> I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of

>spending

>> thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all

>the

>> other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are. Please

>> don't get fooled by him.

>> I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least they

>ask

>> for blood

>> test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

>> Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and

>SSRI.

>> Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the same

>> regardless. Isn't it?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Nilo

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Versa,

My son had chronic ear infections for years before I took him off of milk

and all milk products. Now he hardly ever gets sick. I highly recommend

trying this, if you haven't already. I also recommend a book by

Schmidt called Childhood Ear Infections.

I had chronic tonsilitis as a child, and never realized why, until I

found out I had allergies. While I'm not allergic to dairy, I'm very

allergic to mold and some pollens. I would recommend going to an

allergist, or at least trying claritin. I recommend this to a college

student that does ABA with our son, and the claritin eliminated her

tonsilitis (she was about to have them removed).

Hope this helps.

Loretta

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:22:35 -0500 " Elroy Salaiz "

<starjames2@...> writes:

>From: " Elroy Salaiz " <starjames2@...>

>

>Hi,

>This is the first time I am writing to the list but I am at my wits

>end. I

>have a 20 year old son who has been constantly ill with ear infections

>and

>tonsillitis. The doctors keep pumping him full of anibiotics and I am

>concerned about resistance to the antibiotics. I have never found a

>doctor

>that is knowledgable in working with autistic children. He is on

>medicaid

>and I don't know if it will pay for all the tests that I see are

>required

>but I am willing to do almost anything to get him healthy. Can anyone

>tell

>me about any doctors in the Houston area who can help us.

>

> Thanks to anyone who

>can help,

> Versa

>

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Social Security only respects the label of autism as a diagnosis worthy of

benefits if your income is below a certain level though and to me this is

discrimination,as a childs disability should not have anything to do with

parents income.I feel as if it should be that if one gets benefits all do.

Just my opinion,

Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>

>

>>From: " 1raptor " <1raptor@...>

>>

>>It's one thing to disagree, we all have different opinions. I think this

>>falls into slander, which I believe all groups have rules against. The

>>immune dysregulation is not bull, if you look at research being done by

>many

>>different doctors, the immune abnormalities are there.

>>Cheryl

>> Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>>

>>

>>> From: NYouh@...

>>>

>>> Dear Jo,

>>>

>>> I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

>>> experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about him

>>in

>>> November of 1998 on

>>> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that

>he

>>> was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one

of

>>> those doctors

>>> who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition,

>>ego...).

>>> I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten

>>some

>>> results

>>> working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I

>>had

>>> to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this

>>list

>>> are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged

>that

>>> they don't even want to be part

>>> of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We went

>>> through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

>>> doesn't even look at it.

>>> I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin

antibodies.

>>I

>>> asked him

>>> whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr.

>Shaws's

>>> organic

>>> test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can

>>have

>>> that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we put

>>him

>>> on Nizoral.

>>> To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it

>>when I

>>> last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

>>> Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we took

>>our

>>> son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the

>SSRI

>>> slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he

>started

>>> talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school.

>We

>>> had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would

>>keep

>>> saying, you need

>>> to continue!

>>> I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of

>>spending

>>> thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all

>>the

>>> other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are.

Please

>>> don't get fooled by him.

>>> I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least they

>>ask

>>> for blood

>>> test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

>>> Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and

>>SSRI.

>>> Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the

same

>>> regardless. Isn't it?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Nilo

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>>

>

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>

>

>>From: " 1raptor " <1raptor@...>

>>

>>It's one thing to disagree, we all have different opinions. I think this

>>falls into slander, which I believe all groups have rules against. The

>>immune dysregulation is not bull, if you look at research being done by

>many

>>different doctors, the immune abnormalities are there.

>>Cheryl

>> Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>>

>>

>>> From: NYouh@...

>>>

>>> Dear Jo,

>>>

>>> I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

>>> experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about him

>>in

>>> November of 1998 on

>>> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that

>he

>>> was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one

of

>>> those doctors

>>> who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition,

>>ego...).

>>> I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten

>>some

>>> results

>>> working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I

>>had

>>> to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this

>>list

>>> are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged

>that

>>> they don't even want to be part

>>> of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We went

>>> through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

>>> doesn't even look at it.

>>> I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin

antibodies.

>>I

>>> asked him

>>> whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr.

>Shaws's

>>> organic

>>> test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can

>>have

>>> that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we put

>>him

>>> on Nizoral.

>>> To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it

>>when I

>>> last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

>>> Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we took

>>our

>>> son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the

>SSRI

>>> slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he

>started

>>> talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school.

>We

>>> had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would

>>keep

>>> saying, you need

>>> to continue!

>>> I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of

>>spending

>>> thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all

>>the

>>> other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are.

Please

>>> don't get fooled by him.

>>> I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least they

>>ask

>>> for blood

>>> test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

>>> Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and

>>SSRI.

>>> Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the

same

>>> regardless. Isn't it?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Nilo

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>>

>

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There are waivers for autism and medical conditions that you can get from

medicaid to cover medical and therapy cost. You just have to investigate

and fight the fight to get the information. I know every state is

different, but they all have them. I am in Indiana and make well above the

max for medicaid, but we have it through a waiver. You might have to make a

lot of phone calls to get the info you need but they are out there. There

usually is a waiting list so the sooner you get on the better

Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>

>

>>From: " 1raptor " <1raptor@...>

>>

>>It's one thing to disagree, we all have different opinions. I think this

>>falls into slander, which I believe all groups have rules against. The

>>immune dysregulation is not bull, if you look at research being done by

>many

>>different doctors, the immune abnormalities are there.

>>Cheryl

>> Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>>

>>

>>> From: NYouh@...

>>>

>>> Dear Jo,

>>>

>>> I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

>>> experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about him

>>in

>>> November of 1998 on

>>> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that

>he

>>> was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one

of

>>> those doctors

>>> who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition,

>>ego...).

>>> I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten

>>some

>>> results

>>> working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I

>>had

>>> to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this

>>list

>>> are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged

>that

>>> they don't even want to be part

>>> of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We went

>>> through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

>>> doesn't even look at it.

>>> I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin

antibodies.

>>I

>>> asked him

>>> whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr.

>Shaws's

>>> organic

>>> test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can

>>have

>>> that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we put

>>him

>>> on Nizoral.

>>> To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it

>>when I

>>> last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

>>> Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we took

>>our

>>> son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the

>SSRI

>>> slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he

>started

>>> talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school.

>We

>>> had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would

>>keep

>>> saying, you need

>>> to continue!

>>> I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of

>>spending

>>> thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all

>>the

>>> other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are.

Please

>>> don't get fooled by him.

>>> I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least they

>>ask

>>> for blood

>>> test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

>>> Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and

>>SSRI.

>>> Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the

same

>>> regardless. Isn't it?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Nilo

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>>

>

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Developmental services is suppose to roll my son over to medicaid waiver

next month,It has been a year since I signed up with them and the only help

they have been is a case of pull ups.Hopefully,the medicaid waiver will go

into effect next month,

Thanks,

Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>>

>>

>>>From: " 1raptor " <1raptor@...>

>>>

>>>It's one thing to disagree, we all have different opinions. I think

this

>>>falls into slander, which I believe all groups have rules against. The

>>>immune dysregulation is not bull, if you look at research being done by

>>many

>>>different doctors, the immune abnormalities are there.

>>>Cheryl

>>> Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>>>

>>>

>>>> From: NYouh@...

>>>>

>>>> Dear Jo,

>>>>

>>>> I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

>>>> experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about

him

>>>in

>>>> November of 1998 on

>>>> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that

>>he

>>>> was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one

>of

>>>> those doctors

>>>> who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition,

>>>ego...).

>>>> I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten

>>>some

>>>> results

>>>> working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I

>>>had

>>>> to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this

>>>list

>>>> are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged

>>that

>>>> they don't even want to be part

>>>> of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We

went

>>>> through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

>>>> doesn't even look at it.

>>>> I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin

>antibodies.

>>>I

>>>> asked him

>>>> whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr.

>>Shaws's

>>>> organic

>>>> test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can

>>>have

>>>> that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we

put

>>>him

>>>> on Nizoral.

>>>> To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it

>>>when I

>>>> last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

>>>> Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we

took

>>>our

>>>> son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the

>>SSRI

>>>> slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he

>>started

>>>> talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school.

>>We

>>>> had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would

>>>keep

>>>> saying, you need

>>>> to continue!

>>>> I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of

>>>spending

>>>> thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all

>>>the

>>>> other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are.

>Please

>>>> don't get fooled by him.

>>>> I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least

they

>>>ask

>>>> for blood

>>>> test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

>>>> Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and

>>>SSRI.

>>>> Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the

>same

>>>> regardless. Isn't it?

>>>>

>>>> Thanks,

>>>> Nilo

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> >

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

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Low income was not a factor in this case. We are talking below poverty

level and homeless here. The denial said " not disabled " . Referring to

Immune dysregulation, allergy syndrome, cognitive dysfunction. Autism was

not written on the diagnosis. this was not my son however, who has an autism

label and gets SSI. This is a now homeless person. his family could not

afford his meds anymore and kicked him out. I am writing on his behave as my

child is related to him.

Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>

>

>>From: " Bukitt " <wingding@...>

>>

>>We have just learned, the hard way, that Social Security respects the

label

>>of Autism as a diagnosis worthy of benefits. " Allergy syndrome and immune

>>dysregulation " is scoffed as " not a disability " , and is not a qualifier

>>for benefits. (The denial letter was actually mocking as well) Publically

>>recognized, and universally accepted lingo needs to used when using

these

>>terms outside of the and MAT organizations.

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I called an attorney this morning who may be taking the case on contingency.

He said it looks " winable " . May need to get a new doctor though who will

write something that SSA recognizes as a disabilty.

Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>>

>>

>>>From: " 1raptor " <1raptor@...>

>>>

>>>It's one thing to disagree, we all have different opinions. I think

this

>>>falls into slander, which I believe all groups have rules against. The

>>>immune dysregulation is not bull, if you look at research being done by

>>many

>>>different doctors, the immune abnormalities are there.

>>>Cheryl

>>> Re: Dr. Goldberg and DAN

>>>

>>>

>>>> From: NYouh@...

>>>>

>>>> Dear Jo,

>>>>

>>>> I wanted to tell you and the others on this list , that we had similar

>>>> experience with Dr.Goldberg. I was so hopeful when I Found out about

him

>>>in

>>>> November of 1998 on

>>>> the Internet (Autism and the immune connection). I really thought that

>>he

>>>> was genuine about helping children with autism. He is just another one

>of

>>>> those doctors

>>>> who have gotten into this for the wrong reasons( Money, recognition,

>>>ego...).

>>>> I have no merit for his works. the only reason some people have gotten

>>>some

>>>> results

>>>> working with him is because of the dietary interviention part of it. I

>>>had

>>>> to take the time and write this. The only people your hear from on this

>>>list

>>>> are those who approve of his work. Parents like me get so discouraged

>>that

>>>> they don't even want to be part

>>>> of this list. We waisted 8 month, 8 valuable months on Goldberg. We

went

>>>> through all the torture of doing all that blood work he asks for and he

>>>> doesn't even look at it.

>>>> I am not a Doctor but I saw that my son had very high gliadin

>antibodies.

>>>I

>>>> asked him

>>>> whether we should totally eliminate Gluten. He kept saying no. Dr.

>>Shaws's

>>>> organic

>>>> test showed that my son had very little Yeast infection if any and can

>>>have

>>>> that resolved using some acidophyllis. But Goldberg insisted that we

put

>>>him

>>>> on Nizoral.

>>>> To cut the long story short, I found out that he was really full of it

>>>when I

>>>> last saw him in South Carolina. He keeps repeating the same bull about

>>>> Immune dysregulation and the need to raise money for MAT. Anyway we

took

>>>our

>>>> son off Kutapressin, Valterex, Nizoral (still working on reducing the

>>SSRI

>>>> slowly) and started him on 100% GLuten free diet. Within a week he

>>started

>>>> talking more, answering all questions, following instruction in school.

>>We

>>>> had my son on Kutapressin for 6 weeks without any results and he would

>>>keep

>>>> saying, you need

>>>> to continue!

>>>> I hope this helps some of the parents who are exploring the idea of

>>>spending

>>>> thousands of dollars to fly to California and do the NeuroSpect and all

>>>the

>>>> other things he makes you do since he knows how desperate you are.

>Please

>>>> don't get fooled by him.

>>>> I have a lot more respect for DAN and what they stand for. At least

they

>>>ask

>>>> for blood

>>>> test to look at them and determine the problem. Not to ignore them.

>>>> Dr.Goldberg thinks everyone needs Valtrex, Nizoral and Kutapressin and

>>>SSRI.

>>>> Why do you even ask people to do any test then? You treatment is the

>same

>>>> regardless. Isn't it?

>>>>

>>>> Thanks,

>>>> Nilo

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> >

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

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,

Last spring social security came out with guidelines on CFS as a

medically determinable impairment. Maybe the person you are talking

about would have things a little easier now. Their guidelines list the

tests and abnormalities as what they are using to help determine a

medical disability.

Cheryl

> From: " Bukitt " <wingding@...>

>

>

> Low income was not a factor in this case. We are talking below

poverty

> level and homeless here. The denial said " not disabled " . Referring

to

> Immune dysregulation, allergy syndrome, cognitive dysfunction. Autism

was

> not written on the diagnosis. this was not my son however, who has an

autism

> label and gets SSI. This is a now homeless person. his family could

not

> afford his meds anymore and kicked him out. I am writing on his behave

as my

> child is related to him.

>

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