Low blood volume

[Guest guest]

The substance that makes up the greatest part of blood (approx. 97%)

is water. Per Dr. Cheney's video he describes that because the blood

has become more alkaline (I believe because of decreased CO2

production) the kidneys excrete more water, making the blood more

concentrated.

Is this an attempt to lower the blood pH back to a normal range?

<Excerpt from Cheney Presentation w/ transcribers comments removed.>

http://members.cox.net/dsleffel/cheney/cheneyII3.html

At this point, the body actually begins to fight back a bit. One of

the things it does is to reduce the blood volume. In medical

textbooks, there's a whole chapter called " Contraction Alkalosis. " It

says that as the blood becomes alkaline, the blood volume will

actually be reduced, and what happens then is that the blood becomes

more acidic, because it perfuses tissues less well and therefore

gains back some of the acidity. It's a way of balancing out this

terrible acidosis, and that may explain why Bell made this

comment to me once; he said, " When you try to fix blood volume

depletion with these patients, it doesn't always help them very much.

It's as if they want to be volume-depleted. " And the reason their

systems attempt to be volume-depleted is that they're alkaline, and

they can't transfer oxygen unless they're volume-depleted. It may

also explain the failure of the s Hopkins group to show long-term

benefit from using Florinef to treat volume depletion. They failed

to show benefit on a double-blind, placebo controlled trial. It

should have helped since those patients had volume depletion, but not

if the volume depletion is a compensatory mechanism.

<end of excerpt>

Dr. Cheney mentioned studies in which IV's were given people with

CFS/FMS to try to increase the blood volume but the kidneys would

expel the water and the blood would return to a low volume condition.

When water is removed the blood is going to become more thick. My

thinking is that to thin the blood, all that is needed is to get water

back into the blood. Also, As water level decreases in the blood,

fibrinogen increases because one of its functions is to try to hold

onto water, trying to keep things fluid. IMO, taking a blood

thinner, such as heparin, in this case may only interfere with what

the body is trying to accomplish in lowering blood volume.

The answer, I believe, is to increase metabolism so that the

production of CO2 increases. This will help lower the venous blood

pH. Then the kidneys may not see a need to expel so much water.

It's that simple. To learn more study the information at:

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

Who am I that anyone should believe that what I say is accurate?

I don't have CFS/FMS. (However, I don't see how that is a requirement

to understanding the condition.) I'm a person that has studied the

research on CFS/FMS for a very long time (over 10 years) and has

actually helped several people reverse symptoms of the condition

(above a 90% success rate) by suggesting they follow a very simple

program.

The program is so simple that very few are willing to investigate that

it just might work for them. It does cost money though, the total

cost of the program is about $400. Which for some is a lot of

money. For others here, $400 is nothing compared to what they are

now spending monthly.

All the best,

Jim

[Guest guest]

Let me get this straight. You have discovered, all by your lonesome, a cure

for CFS that cures 90% of people that have it, but refuse to tell anyone what

it is unless they pay you $400? I hope you realize how very much you sound

like a snakeoil salesman. Tell me, where did you go to medical school? Or

where did you get your PHD in physiology? Or does your method involve vurying

a cat at midnight and turning around three times?

Give me a break.

Kris

In a message dated 4/30/2003 1:12:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

clements@... writes:

> Who am I that anyone should believe that what I say is accurate?

> I don't have CFS/FMS. (However, I don't see how that is a requirement

> to understanding the condition.) I'm a person that has studied the

> research on CFS/FMS for a very long time (over 10 years) and has

> actually helped several people reverse symptoms of the condition

> (above a 90% success rate) by suggesting they follow a very simple

> program.

>

> The program is so simple that very few are willing to investigate that

> it just might work for them. It does cost money though, the total

> cost of the program is about $400. Which for some is a lot of

> money. For others here, $400 is nothing compared to what they are

> now spending monthly.

>

> All the best,

> Jim

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann@... wrote:

> Let me get this straight. You have discovered, all by your lonesome, a cure

> for CFS that cures 90% of people that have it, but refuse to tell anyone what

> it is unless they pay you $400? I hope you realize how very much you sound

> like a snakeoil salesman. Tell me, where did you go to medical school? Or

> where did you get your PHD in physiology? Or does your method involve vurying

> a cat at midnight and turning around three times?

>

> Give me a break.

>

> Kris

Kris,

Jim has been on the list for a long time participating in discussions about the

mechanisms of CFS and FM and sharing his theories. It doesn't cost $400 to find

out what he thinks. You can read it

in the archives, its been explained many times.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

I had planned to ignore this post, and not respond. But it does

raise a point that I wish to respond to. First, I've never

presented the program as a cure. I've said that people have been

successful in reversing symptoms of CFS/FMS following this approach.

But what I want to reply to is the suggestion that I found this all

on my lonesome. If it were not for the research of Drs. such as

Cheney, St. Amand, , Simpson, Bell and Streeten, and many

more researchers, the hypothesis that I have proposed would not be

possible. The contributions of Rich, in this forum have been very

helpful in bettering my understanding in a couple areas that I still

had some confusion. I appreciate the corrections he has made to

some of my thinking.

As for the program, I am grateful to the people like

Bonnie in UT

Colleen in UT

Mavis in UT

Meredith in UT

Janice in UT

Ellen in CA

ie in CA

in MD

in WA

a in AZ

in SD

Trish in AZ

Marilyn in OR

Jim in IA

in KY

And others

For their willingness to prove the program that I've suggested.

Through their pioneering efforts I've been able to tweak the program.

When I first started out the cost of the program was about $5,000.

Then I found an alternative to the box FIR sauna which brought the

cost down considerably. Then I've found that the water ionizer

though a good thing to have, also is not essential for a person to

see success, another price drop. Then I found that the minerals I

was suggesting, though an excellent form of the mineral (Water Oz),

may be as well (possibly better) provided by a few select foods,

further price reduction. In time I hope to be able to lower the

price further, but this will not happen until I'm able to place

larger orders to get some volume discounts.

I've been trying to educate people on this approach CFS/FMS for the

last 4 years. Last year Dr. Sherry wrote a book " Detoxify or

Die " Her suggestion in the book: use FIR Sauna and Ionized water.

Hmmm... she's at the $5,000 solution.

As Marcia has pointed out, everything I suggest a person do to see

results in reversing symptoms of CFS/FMS has been presented in this

forum. Or, you can find it on the website

at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html (look in the

Soapbox secton).

All the best,

Jim

> Let me get this straight. You have discovered, all by your

lonesome, a cure

> for CFS that cures 90% of people that have it, but refuse to tell

anyone what

> it is unless they pay you $400? I hope you realize how very much

you sound

> like a snakeoil salesman. Tell me, where did you go to medical

school? Or

> where did you get your PHD in physiology? Or does your method

involve vurying

> a cat at midnight and turning around three times?

>

> Give me a break.

>

> Kris

>

> In a message dated 4/30/2003 1:12:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> clements@x... writes:

>

>

> > Who am I that anyone should believe that what I say is accurate?

> > I don't have CFS/FMS. (However, I don't see how that is a

requirement

> > to understanding the condition.) I'm a person that has studied

the

> > research on CFS/FMS for a very long time (over 10 years) and has

> > actually helped several people reverse symptoms of the condition

> > (above a 90% success rate) by suggesting they follow a very

simple

> > program.

> >

> > The program is so simple that very few are willing to

investigate that

> > it just might work for them. It does cost money though, the

total

> > cost of the program is about $400. Which for some is a lot of

> > money. For others here, $400 is nothing compared to what they

are

> > now spending monthly.

> >

> > All the best,

> > Jim

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry if I misunderstood, and sorry if I kind of flew off the handle. My dog

is dying and I am not at my best.

Kris

In a message dated 5/11/2003 10:33:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mgrahn@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Ann@... wrote:

>

> > Let me get this straight. You have discovered, all by your lonesome, a

> cure

> > for CFS that cures 90% of people that have it, but refuse to tell anyone

> what

> > it is unless they pay you $400? I hope you realize how very much you

> sound

> > like a snakeoil salesman. Tell me, where did you go to medical school?

> Or

> > where did you get your PHD in physiology? Or does your method involve

> vurying

> > a cat at midnight and turning around three times?

> >

> > Give me a break.

> >

> > Kris

>

> Kris,

>

> Jim has been on the list for a long time participating in discussions about

> the mechanisms of CFS and FM and sharing his theories. It doesn't cost $400

> to find out what he thinks. You can read it

> in the archives, its been explained many times.

>

> Marcia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marcia. I got my Buddy almost 12 years ago when I had finally

accepted that I was disabled and stopped working. He has been my constant

companion ever since. He has advanced bone cancer and was supposed to be put

to sleep tonight, but I just couldn't do it. Actually, he was suppposed to

be put to sleep last Friday, but I couldn't do it then either. HE can't walk

now, can just drag himself a few feet using his front legs, but he is still

comfortable, as he is on strong pain meds, and he ate something today, and he

is still drinking well. IT is so hard.

KRis

In a message dated 5/13/2003 8:21:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mgrahn@... writes:

> Ann@... wrote:

>

> > Sorry if I misunderstood, and sorry if I kind of flew off the handle. My

> dog

> > is dying and I am not at my best.

> >

> > Kris

>

> Kris, I'm really sorry. My animals are the most loyals friends I " ve had

> during CFS! I think taking care of them is one of the things thats kept me

> going all these years. They are always there for

> us, and losing them is heartbreaking. Its hard at the time, but we just

> have to remember the good times we had with them last longer than the pain

> we experience at the end of their lives and we are

> much richer for having had them.

>

> Marcia

>

[Guest guest]

Ann@... wrote:

> Sorry if I misunderstood, and sorry if I kind of flew off the handle. My dog

> is dying and I am not at my best.

>

> Kris

Kris, I'm really sorry. My animals are the most loyals friends I " ve had during

CFS! I think taking care of them is one of the things thats kept me going all

these years. They are always there for

us, and losing them is heartbreaking. Its hard at the time, but we just have to

remember the good times we had with them last longer than the pain we experience

at the end of their lives and we are

much richer for having had them.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

True for me - low blood volume and low blood pressure. Sometimes as low

as 70/60, 55/xx or less....

Kendra

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:04 PM, thescriptfiles

<thescriptfiles@...>wrote:

>

>

> hi am i right in thinking that in general if you have low blood volume you

> also have low blood pressure?

> regards jim

>

[Guest guest]

That's been MY understanding and is what causes us to get dizzy

when we get Vertical = Orthostatic Intolderance and damages your heart

at the same time and makes it works a lot faster...

If I am wrong.. anyone PLEASE let me know...

and I put Sea Salt in some of my drinking water to help raise the blood volume..

From: thescriptfiles <thescriptfiles@...>

Subject: low blood volume

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 2:04 PM

 

hi am i right in thinking that in general if you have low blood volume you

also have low blood pressure?

regards jim