ImmunePro/Immunocal/Imuplus VS Goatein

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In a message dated 4/9/03 10:58:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

> Second, how do you take it? Mixed with water or juice or something else? How

> easily does it mix? How much do you use, or how far does a container go?

> Does it have to be taken on an empty stomach like ImmunePro?

>

> I don't mean to overwhelm you with questions, but I've been curious about

> it

> for some time, but didn't know anyone who had tried it personally that I

> could ask. The information that NEEDS and the Garden's of Life catalog

> doesn't provide much information.

>

> One of the things I'm especially interested in finding out is if it would

> cause excess cystein in a person who isn't able to handle the cystein of

> undenatured whey's?

>

, as for question 1, it taste very good, has slight vanilla taste to it.

Each morning upon waking I take a tablespoon of Goatein mixed with 1 tbs of

Perfect Food. A serving on the label suggests a heaping tablespoon and there

would be 30 servings that way. So I think I am getting almost two months out

of one container. Check NEEDS for prices. I aslo get two months out of a

container of Perfect Food. I mix it with filtered water and use a hand mixer

where it mixes very easily and tastes clean and great. It doesn't have to be

taken on an empty stomach, but I figure first thing in morning is best idea,

along with Perfect Food. If money were no object and I ever got back into

working out heavy as I did before my CFS days I'd take Goatein exclusively

and never touch whey protein powders again. As for your cystein concerns, I

cannot directly answer that. I do know that ImmunePro made no difference in

me (good or bad) but when I took Immunocal I felt worse and when I brought

this up to the Klinghardt nurse during my phone consult with her she said

that I might try Goatein for that very reason (feeling bad that is--she made

no mention of cystein as the reason for me feeling bad). What I like about

Jordan's producs are they are all engineered as a basis around the gut, as

this is a man who nearly died from colitis and crohns. The whey powders are

not engineered with the gut in mind. Try a container and let us know what

you think. I doubt you will be sorry.

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Just out of curiosity, what does it taste like? All of the goats milk

products that I've tasted, which includes dozens of things, all had a

distinct barn-yard flavor to them, that tasted like it had been dropped in a

cow pie out in the coral. I seem to be the only person in my family who can

taste this, but the flavor is so strong that it makes me gag and wretch

violently. Turkey has the same background flavor to me.

Second, how do you take it? Mixed with water or juice or something else? How

easily does it mix? How much do you use, or how far does a container go?

Does it have to be taken on an empty stomach like ImmunePro?

I don't mean to overwhelm you with questions, but I've been curious about it

for some time, but didn't know anyone who had tried it personally that I

could ask. The information that NEEDS and the Garden's of Life catalog

doesn't provide much information.

One of the things I'm especially interested in finding out is if it would

cause excess cystein in a person who isn't able to handle the cystein of

undenatured whey's?

lindaj@...

ImmunePro/Immunocal/Imuplus VS Goatein

> In a message dated 4/7/03 1:46:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:

>

>

> > ImmunePro and Immunocal are actually different. Immunocal is very

similar

> > to Imuplus.

>

> Hello folks. With CFSers being so hyper allergic it makes me wonder why

> everyone still discusses whey proteins. I work at Pizza Hut and used to

> always eat pizza. I now have avoided pizza for many weeks now and have

> gained good muscle weight at the same time. I recently read goats milk

takes

> 20 mins to digest whereas cow's milk takes over an hour? To take some

> exerpts from Rubin's book I'm currently reading (very good read btw), it

is

> less allergic than cow's milk b/c it doesn't have the protein complexes in

> cow's milk that stimulate allergic reactions. It doesn't readilyu produce

> gas or bloating. B/c it is easily digested goat's milk doesn't remain in

the

> small intestine and ferment. It is high in the medium-chain fatty acids

that

> inhibit candida, is not mucus forming, is high in selinium. Goatein is

> manufactured by Garden of Life and is not only not heat processed, and has

> the live enzymes but also has naturally occuring probiotics used in their

> fermentation process and is predigested for even easier consumption. I

first

> learned about Goatein from the Klinghardt office when I was doing a phone

> consult with the nurse there who told me they use a lot of Goatein there

> instead of the whey proteins that are talked about on this group. I don't

> see any need to take whey proteins when Goatein is around. In fact, just

> compare the price. Back when I was taking Immunocal I was paying like $2

per

> day for an envolope. What a rip off! Goatein is much more affordable and

I

> think a vastly superior product due to cow's milk basically being a

product

> that humans should not be consuming, CFS or not. Just my opinion.

>

>

>

>

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,

You are right about the better digesteability of goat's milk vs

cow's. But I went through several jars of Goatein with no boost in

stamina that the Immunocal and Imuplus give me. The goatein actually

would increase my heart rate ( a problem I have with particular foods

I'm sensitive too). In contrast,the Immunepro actually helps my food

sensitivities. It is rich in lactoferin and immuneglobulins that help

repair the GI tract.

Goatein is a great product but I do not think it has the glutathione

boosting potential of the others. It's processing temp is in the low

90's I believe. I do not know the processing temps for the others.

Personally I get a detox from the Immunepro but an immediate boost in

stamina from the Immunocal and to some degree the Imuplus; the Cal

has helped me the most. But we are all unalike and metabolize foods

and supplements completely differently. You just have to find what

works best for you by trial and error.

K

> >

> > Hello folks. With CFSers being so hyper allergic it makes me

wonder why

> > everyone still discusses whey proteins. I work at Pizza Hut and

used to

> > always eat pizza. I now have avoided pizza for many weeks now

and have

> > gained good muscle weight at the same time. I recently read

goats milk

> takes

> > 20 mins to digest whereas cow's milk takes over an hour? To take

some

> > exerpts from Rubin's book I'm currently reading (very good read

btw), it

> is

> > less allergic than cow's milk b/c it doesn't have the protein

complexes in

> > cow's milk that stimulate allergic reactions. It doesn't

readilyu produce

> > gas or bloating. B/c it is easily digested goat's milk doesn't

remain in

> the

> > small intestine and ferment. It is high in the medium-chain

fatty acids

> that

> > inhibit candida, is not mucus forming, is high in selinium.

Goatein is

> > manufactured by Garden of Life and is not only not heat

processed, and has

> > the live enzymes but also has naturally occuring probiotics used

in their

> > fermentation process and is predigested for even easier

consumption. I

> first

> > learned about Goatein from the Klinghardt office when I was doing

a phone

> > consult with the nurse there who told me they use a lot of

Goatein there

> > instead of the whey proteins that are talked about on this

group. I don't

> > see any need to take whey proteins when Goatein is around. In

fact, just

> > compare the price. Back when I was taking Immunocal I was paying

like $2

> per

> > day for an envolope. What a rip off! Goatein is much more

affordable and

> I

> > think a vastly superior product due to cow's milk basically being

a

> product

> > that humans should not be consuming, CFS or not. Just my opinion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi...there is a new one here in Canada..GSH Complex. I have a page on it at

my site http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com/gshcomplex.html

In the PDF files..you can see the research the company has done. I find I

get better and quicker results..just for your info..

Cheers,

Deb

Healing Occurs in Layers..

Patience is the KEY!

Visit me at my Web Site:

http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com

E-Mail: drdeb@...

ImmunePro/Immunocal/Imuplus VS Goatein

In a message dated 4/10/03 1:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

> Personally I get a detox from the Immunepro but an immediate boost in

> stamina from the Immunocal and to some degree the Imuplus; the Cal

> has helped me the most. But we are all unalike and metabolize foods

> and supplements completely differently. You just have to find what

> works best for you by trial and error.

>

Yep, all of us are different and all you can do is try and see for youself.

I tried them all except for Imuplus. You were smart to try them all too.

That's my point though, at least try Goatein and see what you think b/c too

many are allergic to whey. More people should be like you and experiment by

trying them all. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

[Guest guest]

> Hi...there is a new one here in Canada..GSH Complex. I have a page

on it at

> my site http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com/gshcomplex.html

>

> In the PDF files..you can see the research the company has done. I

find I

> get better and quicker results..just for your info..

> Cheers,

> Deb

>

Hi Deb,

I've benn using GSH complex. My chiropractor offered me the same

discount as that offered on gshplus.com ; when I bought 6 jars I paid

about $40 per jar.

Al

[Guest guest]

Hi Al: How are you finding GSH Complex? ...yes, we are just getting into

the discounts..the company is very good about that.

Cheers

Deb

Healing Occurs in Layers..

Patience is the KEY!

Visit me at my Web Site:

http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com

E-Mail: drdeb@...

Re: ImmunePro/Immunocal/Imuplus VS Goatein

> Hi...there is a new one here in Canada..GSH Complex. I have a page

on it at

> my site http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com/gshcomplex.html

>

> In the PDF files..you can see the research the company has done. I

find I

> get better and quicker results..just for your info..

> Cheers,

> Deb

>

Hi Deb,

I've benn using GSH complex. My chiropractor offered me the same

discount as that offered on gshplus.com ; when I bought 6 jars I paid

about $40 per jar.

Al

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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> Hi Al: How are you finding GSH Complex? ...

> Cheers

> Deb

I like the price-performance of GSH complex. Best of the bunch, but

sometimes it's good to rotate between 2 different brands because of

different levels of ingredients your body may need more at a given

point in time I find.

Al