Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Amino acid therapy can be very helpful if you find a practioner who can understand the tests & results and who can formulate a personalized formula for you. There are amino acids that can do a great deal to help the body detoxify Jan > CFS - treatments which are not worth trying | Dr Myhill > > Ordering tests » Links » Using this site » Locations » When not to use it > Consulting Dr Myhill » Articles » Tests » Questionnaire » Search » Contact » Home > > > > > Find articles on the following subjects: > > Allergies > Autoimmunity > Bowel Problems > Breathing problems > Cancer > Children's problems > Fatigue > Gynaecology > Heart Disease and Circulation > Hormonal Problems > How to ensure a Healthy Baby > Infections > Infertility and Obstetrics > Joints, Muscles and Bones > Mental Problems > Miscellaneous > Neurological problems > Nutrition, Vitamins, Minerals and Diets > Pain > Queen Mother [i want to live to 100] > Senses > Sexual Dysfunction > Skin problems > Sleep problems > Toxic Problems: Pollution and Poisonings > Urinary Tract > > > CFS - treatments which are not worth trying > > > Treatments Which Are Not Worth Trying > > Graded exercise – this is positively harmful when CFS is active. I find it quite extraordinary that so many doctors seem to advocate this as a treatment. It is as if they are unable to distinguish between CFS and lack of fitness! Let's face it, if graded exercise worked then the diagnosis could not possibly be CFS. The only possible explanation I can think of as to why this has stuck in the medical folklore is that after a physician has recommended this to the CFS patient, the latter never bothers to attend again for useless advice. The doctor then believes he has cured the patient because they don't come back. Has anybody else got any better explanation? > > Cognitive behaviour therapy The idea behind this is that the CFS patient does not exercise because he is afraid to because it makes him ill. CBT is all about getting round this fear. > > The trouble is that the patient is right – he is fearful of exercise because it really does make him ill! CBT might help the patient who is recovered from the acute phase of CFS, but on the law of averages it is far more likely to make patients worse. Patients can tolerate so much CBT because they do the exercises at the expense of other activities, not in addition to and this makes the results of trials look impressive. > > Cold water therapy. This was advocated as a treatment for fatigue by Kakkar. It probably works because it gives the adrenal glands a huge " kick " . However if the adrenal glands are not working properly, as in CFS, then the patient feels awful. I don't recommend cold baths. > > Amino acids. I tried these after reading a paper about amino acid deficiencies in CFS. The tests are expensive, the amino acids expensive and the results very disappointing. > > Glutathione/ATP injections. Again the initial paper looked promising. I tried these on 4 patients, twice a week over six months but no response from any, so I gave up. > > Enada. This sounded like the perfect treatment. I read about it in Autumn of 1998 and faxed the author straight away. No reply. Six months later it was launched with widespread publicity. Many of my patients tried it but only 2 reported slight improvement. If Enada was all it was made up to be, then it would have sold itself through personal recommendation. > > Cocktails of Low Dose Antidepressants and Treatment of CFS At the British Society for Allergy, Environmental and Nutritional Medicine meeting in April 1998, Dr presented his views on the treatment of CFS using cocktails of low dose antidepressants. His theory is that CFS patients have low levels of neurotransmitters across the board, namely acetylcholine, noradrenaline, adrenaline, dopamine, GABA, serotonin and probably others. It is this which causes the multiplicity of symptoms including fatigue. He has concluded from his studies and his experience with patients that the fatigue in CFS is central - that is to say the cause is within the brain. These abnormalities are within the mid-brain, thalamus and hypothalamus and are neurological in origin. > > I tried these cocktails for several patients but they just developed the side effects that I see in most of my patients with any one antidepressant. I was not impressed by this approach and would not particularly recommend this line. > > Fludrocortisone. The idea here (Dr Bell) was that the fatigue in CFS is caused by low circulating blood volume and low blood pressure. He certainly demonstrated that this was the case and is probably due to autonomic disturbance. The question is what can one do about it? In theory by using a mineralocorticoid blood volume could be increased. In practice I found that the fludrocortisone simply caused swollen ankles and the blood pressure was unchanged. > > Heparin by injection. Work by Dr Berg suggests CFS may be caused by being in a state of hypercoaguability – this means CFSs get tiny clots in their capillaries which impair blood supply. This would certainly explain the multiplicity of symptoms in CFS and theoretically could be treated by heparin injections. I've tried these in 4 patients with no success. > > > > > > > > > > > > « BACK > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > Myhill Limited :: Registered in England and Wales :: Registration No. 4545198 > Registered Office: Upper Weston, Llangunllo, Knighton, Powys, Wales LD7 1SL, UK. > Tel 01547 550331 | Fax 01547 550339 | E-mail smyhill@g... > > onlineWales ©2001 > Article No. 277 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Heparin by injection. Work by Dr Berg > suggests CFS may be caused by being in a state of hypercoaguability – > this means CFSs get tiny clots in their capillaries which impair > blood supply. This would certainly explain the multiplicity of > symptoms in CFS and theoretically could be treated by heparin > injections. I've tried these in 4 patients with no success. > Glutathione/ATP injections. Again the initial > paper looked promising. I tried these on 4 patients, twice a week > over six months but no response from any, so I gave up. I sounds as though this doctor gives up easily. Like someone said, what works for one does not necessarily work for another, we are all different. I am going to be tested for amino acids and I feel this is going to be a beneficial test for me. Nat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 I am very glad you posted this. It is very interesting. On the other hand, some of the treatments you mention have been helpful for me. Weight lifting has been helpful to me (if that qualifies for graded exercise?). However, I think one has to be VERY, VERY, cautious with this. If your CFS is not " better " , then I think it can be harmful. On the other hand, it seems to be benifical hormonally, if you are " ready " for it. If you feel like exercising, then you probably can. If you don't, then maybe there is a reason in your body that you shouldn't ! For example, I have been experimenting with T3 thyroid of late. It has made me so exhausted that I had to forego my usual exercise routine. I thought this odd, as T3 is supposed to give you energy! I was mentally berating myself for my laziness, when I read how starting thyroid medication can exacerbate unresolved adrenal insufficiency (it even says this on the thyroid medication insert info. !) I know I have unresolved adrenal issues from previous testing. So there you have it, I was tired - for a reason. I should not have been exercising during this time, as my adrenals were exhausted. BTW, physicians almost never test, or treat, the adrenals before thyroid medication is used, even though it says right in their PDR's that they are should. Glutathione/ATP seems to be consistently useful for me. When I take the shots, I look better, am stronger, and generally feel quite a bit better overall. I do not know why this is. Perhaps it has to do with poor absorbtion issues, and the shots present the amino acids in a useable form? Once I go off the shots, I slowly regress though. I would also add that low dose antidepressants have been very helpful for me, but I use them in an unconventional fashion. I use small amounts of doxepin as an antihistamine to help with my burning skin. I also use it as an effective sleep aid. You can read more about my use of this at Remedyfind.com. Your mileage may vary. Zippy =============================================================== > CFS - treatments which are not worth trying | Dr Myhill > > Ordering tests » Links » Using this site » Locations » When not to use it > Consulting Dr Myhill » Articles » Tests » Questionnaire » Search » Contact » Home > > > > > Find articles on the following subjects: > > Allergies > Autoimmunity > Bowel Problems > Breathing problems > Cancer > Children's problems > Fatigue > Gynaecology > Heart Disease and Circulation > Hormonal Problems > How to ensure a Healthy Baby > Infections > Infertility and Obstetrics > Joints, Muscles and Bones > Mental Problems > Miscellaneous > Neurological problems > Nutrition, Vitamins, Minerals and Diets > Pain > Queen Mother [i want to live to 100] > Senses > Sexual Dysfunction > Skin problems > Sleep problems > Toxic Problems: Pollution and Poisonings > Urinary Tract > > > CFS - treatments which are not worth trying > > > Treatments Which Are Not Worth Trying > > Graded exercise – this is positively harmful when CFS is active. I find it quite extraordinary that so many doctors seem to advocate this as a treatment. It is as if they are unable to distinguish between CFS and lack of fitness! Let's face it, if graded exercise worked then the diagnosis could not possibly be CFS. The only possible explanation I can think of as to why this has stuck in the medical folklore is that after a physician has recommended this to the CFS patient, the latter never bothers to attend again for useless advice. The doctor then believes he has cured the patient because they don't come back. Has anybody else got any better explanation? > > Cognitive behaviour therapy The idea behind this is that the CFS patient does not exercise because he is afraid to because it makes him ill. CBT is all about getting round this fear. > > The trouble is that the patient is right – he is fearful of exercise because it really does make him ill! CBT might help the patient who is recovered from the acute phase of CFS, but on the law of averages it is far more likely to make patients worse. Patients can tolerate so much CBT because they do the exercises at the expense of other activities, not in addition to and this makes the results of trials look impressive. > > Cold water therapy. This was advocated as a treatment for fatigue by Kakkar. It probably works because it gives the adrenal glands a huge " kick " . However if the adrenal glands are not working properly, as in CFS, then the patient feels awful. I don't recommend cold baths. > > Amino acids. I tried these after reading a paper about amino acid deficiencies in CFS. The tests are expensive, the amino acids expensive and the results very disappointing. > > Glutathione/ATP injections. Again the initial paper looked promising. I tried these on 4 patients, twice a week over six months but no response from any, so I gave up. > > Enada. This sounded like the perfect treatment. I read about it in Autumn of 1998 and faxed the author straight away. No reply. Six months later it was launched with widespread publicity. Many of my patients tried it but only 2 reported slight improvement. If Enada was all it was made up to be, then it would have sold itself through personal recommendation. > > Cocktails of Low Dose Antidepressants and Treatment of CFS At the British Society for Allergy, Environmental and Nutritional Medicine meeting in April 1998, Dr presented his views on the treatment of CFS using cocktails of low dose antidepressants. His theory is that CFS patients have low levels of neurotransmitters across the board, namely acetylcholine, noradrenaline, adrenaline, dopamine, GABA, serotonin and probably others. It is this which causes the multiplicity of symptoms including fatigue. He has concluded from his studies and his experience with patients that the fatigue in CFS is central - that is to say the cause is within the brain. These abnormalities are within the mid-brain, thalamus and hypothalamus and are neurological in origin. > > I tried these cocktails for several patients but they just developed the side effects that I see in most of my patients with any one antidepressant. I was not impressed by this approach and would not particularly recommend this line. > > Fludrocortisone. The idea here (Dr Bell) was that the fatigue in CFS is caused by low circulating blood volume and low blood pressure. He certainly demonstrated that this was the case and is probably due to autonomic disturbance. The question is what can one do about it? In theory by using a mineralocorticoid blood volume could be increased. In practice I found that the fludrocortisone simply caused swollen ankles and the blood pressure was unchanged. > > Heparin by injection. Work by Dr Berg suggests CFS may be caused by being in a state of hypercoaguability – this means CFSs get tiny clots in their capillaries which impair blood supply. This would certainly explain the multiplicity of symptoms in CFS and theoretically could be treated by heparin injections. I've tried these in 4 patients with no success. > > > > > > > > > > > > « BACK > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > Myhill Limited :: Registered in England and Wales :: Registration No. 4545198 > Registered Office: Upper Weston, Llangunllo, Knighton, Powys, Wales LD7 1SL, UK. > Tel 01547 550331 | Fax 01547 550339 | E-mail smyhill@g... > > onlineWales ©2001 > Article No. 277 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Yes, you are correct. Mayhill does not say how long he did the injections, what dose, whether the patients had tested positive for hypercoagulation, and whether he also treated infections. I am torn about this posting. I am glad a doctor is trying things and trying to share what he has learned, but he has to be " better " at it, in order to use his results as he has. I am afraid people will read what he has written and never try things that will help them. Thanks, Doris ----- Original Message ----- Dr. Mayhill wrote: I've tried these in 4 patients with no success. My comment: If I am not mistaken Berg suggests treating multiple infections as well as taking heparin. Isn't Berg's concept that hypercoaguability is caused by infection and genetics? a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 I think graded exercise is definitely a no-no for PWCs within the first 1-3 years of sudden onset. After that, assuming one is improving (as maybe 1/2 do) then some exercise can be helpful. Sit-ups and push ups are easy to try and then you can quit whenever you want. Mike C. > As for graded exercise, I have to disagree. I have to almost entirely second > what Zippy said. If you feel up to it you are probably ready and if not then > you probably aren't--sorta a catch22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Hi Doris Dr Myhill is a woman and she used to write regularly in on of the UK charities magazines and I found that her information was often incorrect or incomplete. (UK) Re: CFS - treatments which are not worth trying Dr Myhill.html Yes, you are correct. Mayhill does not say how long he did the injections, what dose, whether the patients had tested positive for hypercoagulation, and whether he also treated infections. I am torn about this posting. I am glad a doctor is trying things and trying to share what he has learned, but he has to be " better " at it, in order to use his results as he has. I am afraid people will read what he has written and never try things that will help them. Thanks, Doris ----- Original Message ----- Dr. Mayhill wrote: I've tried these in 4 patients with no success. My comment: If I am not mistaken Berg suggests treating multiple infections as well as taking heparin. Isn't Berg's concept that hypercoaguability is caused by infection and genetics? a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 For the sake of accuracy I would like to point out that Dr Myhill is not a man, but Dr Myhill, who I saw on Monday of this week for a consultation. Her web site is fairly comprehensive. Perhaps she is being rather dogmatic by questionting the efficacy of some of the treatments, but at least she is open minded enough to have try them out, and is not afraid of expressing an opinion about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 > For the sake of accuracy I would like to point out that Dr Myhill is not a > man, but Dr Myhill, who I saw on Monday of this week for a > consultation. > > Her web site is fairly comprehensive. > > Perhaps she is being rather dogmatic by questionting the efficacy of some of > the treatments, but at least she is open minded enough to have try them out, > and is not afraid of expressing an opinion about them. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.