Re: CNS and CDSA's

[Guest guest]

Donna,

You can call Great Smokies and ask if the CNS was always

tested for or if it's new in their bug list. I had many

CDSA's done and that one has never appeared.

-Jan

> I just got results of a CDSA back, and to my surprise, under the

heading of

> " Additional Bacteria " one of the bacteria listed was 3+ Coagulase

Negative

> Staph. I've had LOTS of CDSA's over the years, and have never had

this turn

> up, although I've had all kinds of nasty gut stuff. I also have 4+

gamma

> haemolytic strep and 4+ alpha haemolytic strep. but none of these

are

> considered aberrant by GSDL, at least I assume so since they made

no comment

> other than to list them. I finally have a little bit of

lactobacillus, but

> still no bifidiobacterium. Time to switch probiotics again, I guess.

>

> But anyway, I was really surprised to see the coag neg staph in the

report.

> Has anyone else had a recent CDSA that listed the coag neg staph? I

don't

> know if it's something new they're looking for, or this is just a

first for

> me. I see my ENT to do the nasal swab in a week and a half, and it

will be

> interesting to see if it shows up there.

>

> Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

What is a CDSA, where was it done?

Thanks,

a

> I just got results of a CDSA back, and to my surprise, under the heading

of

> " Additional Bacteria " one of the bacteria listed was 3+ Coagulase Negative

> Staph. I've had LOTS of CDSA's over the years, and have never had this

turn

> up, although I've had all kinds of nasty gut stuff. I also have 4+ gamma

> haemolytic strep and 4+ alpha haemolytic strep. but none of these are

> considered aberrant by GSDL, at least I assume so since they made no

comment

> other than to list them. I finally have a little bit of lactobacillus, but

> still no bifidiobacterium. Time to switch probiotics again, I guess.

>

> But anyway, I was really surprised to see the coag neg staph in the

report.

> Has anyone else had a recent CDSA that listed the coag neg staph? I don't

> know if it's something new they're looking for, or this is just a first

for

> me. I see my ENT to do the nasal swab in a week and a half, and it will be

> interesting to see if it shows up there.

>

> Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

a,

It's a test by Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs called a Comprehensive

Digestive Stool Analysis, which looks at my factors in the gut, including

looking for yeasts, good bacteria, bad bacteria, and any other bacteria

which shows up. They look at all the parameters that they test, weight them

somehow, and come up with a severity of dysbiosis index. Since my gut it a

mess, and I believe one of the reasons I have such a hard time getting

anywhere, and like to grow bad bugs with little to no good bugs, I get them

done frequently as I change probiotics, etc. Go to www.gsdl.com and under GI

heading you will see a description of the CDSA. Oh, your doc calls them and

I guess faxes them a script and they send you a kit which you send back to

them when done.

Donna in NC

Re: CNS and CDSA's

> What is a CDSA, where was it done?

> Thanks,

> a

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this reply. My next question is similar to someone else's, How

does Cheney relate this to giving or not giving growth hormone? Also how

does one afford growth hormone without meeting the FDA criteria for adult

deficiency? I mean you can pay a lot for this stuff when you don't need it

or when it is bad for you. So I am wondering what Cheney is doing. I respect

him a lot, but so far this doesn't make sense to me.

a

> a,

> It's a test by Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs called a Comprehensive

> Digestive Stool Analysis, which looks at my factors in the gut, including

> looking for yeasts, good bacteria, bad bacteria, and any other bacteria

> which shows up. They look at all the parameters that they test, weight

them

> somehow, and come up with a severity of dysbiosis index. Since my gut it a

> mess, and I believe one of the reasons I have such a hard time getting

> anywhere, and like to grow bad bugs with little to no good bugs, I get

them

> done frequently as I change probiotics, etc. Go to www.gsdl.com and under

GI

> heading you will see a description of the CDSA. Oh, your doc calls them

and

> I guess faxes them a script and they send you a kit which you send back to

> them when done.

> Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

a,

Although I'm not a patient of Dr. Cheney, I have read a number of his

papers and transcripts of his speeches. The issue raise is a complex

one, perhaps best explain by Cheney himself. You should definitely

check out the Cheney transcript at this URL

http://members.cox.net/dsleffel/cheney/cheney_pres.html

- don

> Thanks for this reply. My next question is similar to someone

else's, How

> does Cheney relate this to giving or not giving growth hormone?

Also how

> does one afford growth hormone without meeting the FDA criteria for

adult

> deficiency? I mean you can pay a lot for this stuff when you don't

need it

> or when it is bad for you. So I am wondering what Cheney is doing.

I respect

> him a lot, but so far this doesn't make sense to me.

> a

>

>

> > a,

> > It's a test by Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs called a

Comprehensive

> > Digestive Stool Analysis, which looks at my factors in the gut,

including

> > looking for yeasts, good bacteria, bad bacteria, and any other

bacteria

> > which shows up. They look at all the parameters that they test,

weight

> them

> > somehow, and come up with a severity of dysbiosis index. Since my

gut it a

> > mess, and I believe one of the reasons I have such a hard time

getting

> > anywhere, and like to grow bad bugs with little to no good bugs,

I get

> them

> > done frequently as I change probiotics, etc. Go to www.gsdl.com

and under

> GI

> > heading you will see a description of the CDSA. Oh, your doc

calls them

> and

> > I guess faxes them a script and they send you a kit which you

send back to

> > them when done.

> > Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

Can't remember the specifics, but recall a conversation recently

about someone new in charge at Great Smokies who has more of a

microbiology background, and that they were going to be including

more organisms in their reporting from now on. I think my doctor may

have been discussing this. It's been a big complaint of friends of

mine, that they've been overlooking the obvious staph that the stools

of PWC are probably full of. I think calling and asking if this is

new for them or new for you would be a great idea. Please let us know

what you learn.

penny

> I just got results of a CDSA back, and to my surprise, under the

heading of

> " Additional Bacteria " one of the bacteria listed was 3+ Coagulase

Negative

> Staph. I've had LOTS of CDSA's over the years, and have never had

this turn

> up, although I've had all kinds of nasty gut stuff. I also have 4+

gamma

> haemolytic strep and 4+ alpha haemolytic strep. but none of these

are

> considered aberrant by GSDL, at least I assume so since they made

no comment

> other than to list them. I finally have a little bit of

lactobacillus, but

> still no bifidiobacterium. Time to switch probiotics again, I guess.

>

> But anyway, I was really surprised to see the coag neg staph in the

report.

> Has anyone else had a recent CDSA that listed the coag neg staph? I

don't

> know if it's something new they're looking for, or this is just a

first for

> me. I see my ENT to do the nasal swab in a week and a half, and it

will be

> interesting to see if it shows up there.

>

> Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

Penny and all,

I just got off the phone with a clinical representative at Great Smokies,

and she said that as far as she knew, they had always checked for CNS, but

that the nomenclature had changed, and perhaps this was what I was seeing

different in my reports. So I asked her point blank - if I take one of my

CDSA's from 5 years ago, and it did not indicate CNS, would I in fact be

comfortable in understanding that GSDL did not culture CNS in my stool at

that time, but did indeed check for it? I told her it was pretty important

to me to know if this is a new thing for me, or a new thing for them. She

told me that she had not been there 5 years, so put me on hold and asked a

supervisor who had been there for many years. She came back and told me that

for the past 15 years they have been looking for it, but it was previously

called " Staph Not Aureus " . She asked if I had any CDSA'a that said that, or

said aureus of any kind, and I said no, though lots of streps, klebsiella,

clostridium......so, I guess it's a new thing for me.

Hope this helps. It does give me more to think about, and now I'll bring the

CDSA results to my ENT who also agrees after reading the papers I gave him

that CNS could well be problematic for some. I have lots of nasal drainage

backwards, down my throat, and rarely forward out my nares. So perhaps

what's in my nose and maybe jaws (they weren't cultured at the time of my

surgeries), is colonizing my gut.

Donna in NC

Re: CNS and CDSA's

> Can't remember the specifics, but recall a conversation recently about

someone new in charge at Great Smokies who has more of a microbiology

background, and that they were going to be including more organisms in

their reporting from now on. I think my doctor may have been discussing

this. It's been a big complaint of friends of mine, that they've been

overlooking the obvious staph that the stools of PWC are probably full of.

I think calling and asking if this is new for them or new for you would be

a great idea. Please let us know what you learn.

>

> penny

[Guest guest]

a,

That's a Comprehensive Diagnostic Stool Analysis. Several labs do

it. One is Great Smokies (www.gsdl.com).

Rich

> What is a CDSA, where was it done?

> Thanks,

> a

>

>

> > I just got results of a CDSA back, and to my surprise, under the

heading

> of

> > " Additional Bacteria " one of the bacteria listed was 3+ Coagulase

Negative

> > Staph. I've had LOTS of CDSA's over the years, and have never

had this

> turn

> > up, although I've had all kinds of nasty gut stuff. I also have

4+ gamma

> > haemolytic strep and 4+ alpha haemolytic strep. but none of

these are

> > considered aberrant by GSDL, at least I assume so since they

made no

> comment

> > other than to list them. I finally have a little bit of

lactobacillus, but

> > still no bifidiobacterium. Time to switch probiotics again, I

guess.

> >

> > But anyway, I was really surprised to see the coag neg staph in

the

> report.

> > Has anyone else had a recent CDSA that listed the coag neg

staph? I don't

> > know if it's something new they're looking for, or this is just

a first

> for

> > me. I see my ENT to do the nasal swab in a week and a half, and

it will be

> > interesting to see if it shows up there.

> >

> > Donna in NC