Coag Negative Staph

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In a message dated 12/28/02 4:39:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

> Are you talking about posting the low glut theory? If so, I don't think that

> would be a good idea because they are going in a 180 degree direction. I

> respect Rich very much but I don't subscribe to the low glut theory causing

> our problems. Low glut may be part of a chain of events that take place.

> There is just too much evidence to show that there is a virus(es) involved

> plus bacterial infections.

>

I see what you are saying Bob. Example could be when one takes doxy and gets

cured like someone I talked to before. This person did not know why he had

CFS but just that long term doxy has cured him. Hopefully he does not get a

relapse now in the future. Might relapses be caused though b/c of the

glutathione depletion? Old story of which comes first, chicken or the egg.

But many CFSers could have mycoplasmas, lyme and/or lyme coinfections or God

knows what else as being causative to their CFS and it probably has nothing

to do with glutathione depletion. I don't remember if Rich believes that

glutathione depletion is THE major cause of CFS in all or most CFSers. I

myself have never improved with whey proteins I tried but the mercury

chelation over last 8 months may have been instrumental in helping me get

into the gym 1-2 times per week which was never possible last 3 years. I

even got a pretty nasty flu/cold recently and was thankful I was able to get

sick b/c of others like yourself who don't get sick any more.

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,

I think I covered my thinking on the role of glutathione depletion

in CFS in message #51591 in response to Bob. Mercury buildup could

very likely result from glutathione depletion, because glutathione

is normally responsible for removing mercury from the body. If a

person has been without enough glutathione for an extended period,

the mercury leaking in from amalgam fillings and coming in from fish

in the diet and other sources would very likely not be properly

eliminated, and could enter tissues, including brain tissue, and be

difficult to get rid of without taking special measures to do so,

even if the glutathione is later restored. Glutathione depletion

can also suppress the immune system and allow infections of the

types you mentioned to flourish. Once they are established, simply

restoring the glutathione may not be sufficient to defeat them, and

other measures may need to be taken. Just fixing the glutathione

depletion may not be enough, but I do think it is one of the

essential things that must be done in the overall treatment program

for a given PWC, if glutathione is depleted in that person.

Rich

Might relapses be caused though b/c of the

> glutathione depletion? Old story of which comes first, chicken or

the egg.

> But many CFSers could have mycoplasmas, lyme and/or lyme

coinfections or God

> knows what else as being causative to their CFS and it probably

has nothing

> to do with glutathione depletion. I don't remember if Rich

believes that

> glutathione depletion is THE major cause of CFS in all or most

CFSers. I

> myself have never improved with whey proteins I tried but the

mercury

> chelation over last 8 months may have been instrumental in helping

me get

> into the gym 1-2 times per week which was never possible last 3

years. I

> even got a pretty nasty flu/cold recently and was thankful I was

able to get

> sick b/c of others like yourself who don't get sick any more.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I don't think we're necessarily on different wavelengths here.

Please see my message #51591 in response to one of your earlier

posts. Glutathione depletion can certainly open the door to

infections, since both glutathione and cysteine, its limiting amino

acid, are needed by the immune system for proper functioning. I

think there are some infections that can get started in a person who

has normal glutathione levels. An example is Lyme disease. I think

there are others that don't get going unless the immune system has

been suppressed, such as by glutathione depletion. I suggest that

mycoplasma and reactivation of herpes family viruses are in this

category.

Rich

I respect Rich very much but I don't subscribe to the low glut

theory causing our problems. Low glut may be part of a chain of

events that take place. There is just too much evidence to show that

there is a virus(es) involved plus bacterial infections.

>

> Bob

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I don't know if Dr. Shoemaker's web site discusses this or not, because it's

been a while since I read through it, and coagulase negative staph wasn't

relevant in my case, since I didn't test as having it, so I've forgotten

what was there. You might try looking there, though.

www.chronicneurotoxins.com

You might also try digging around through the archives of The Stealth Virus

Support Group on , because many of Dr. Shoemaker's e-mails have been

forwarded there by the moderator.

I don't think it is limited to pathogens that are resistant to antibiotics

that you've personally taken, because hospitals frequently have antibiotic

resistant strains of staph there that people can contract, who have not been

taking any antibiotics. So you can pick up an antibiotic resistant pathogen

from someone else who has been using antibiotics. This is one of the reasons

why they are making such a big deal about using antibiotics routinely in

animal feed, because it encourages the development of antibiotic resistant

pathogens that can spill over into the human population. You can pick it up

from pets, or family members, or just about anyone else that you have enough

exposure to contract it, and keep passing it back and forth unless everyone

that you are frequently exposed to is treated with an appropriate antibiotic

that it is not resistant to.

I have his book " Desperation Medicine " and I think it is also in there.

It sounds like you definitely have a problem with toxins from your s.

epidermis problems. Hopefully it won't be difficult to resolve.

lindaj@...

Re: Coag Negative Staph

> Oh, that is quite interesting. Is there a website that explains this

theory? Would the theory be that you can only develop resistance to

antibiotics that you've taken? Mine was resistant to 3 antibiotics and not

resistent to 10.

> Doris