Guest guest Posted January 23, 2003 Report Share Posted January 23, 2003 I would like to second Zippy's suggestion that people do what they can to make this list more manageable. In recent weeks, I have almost totally dropped off the list, which is fairly uncommon for me (as most of the oldies know), just because it seems like some new members are posting SO many posts per day and the list is generating a lot more mail. I just can't keep up -- I don't know about the rest of you. Zippy's suggestion to utilize sites like RemedyFind.com is a great idea. Also, we can utilize the polls on the page for this group to compile information. Also, I have noticed a lot of people posting articles on the list lately. I think it is fine to post some articles, but if they are long it might be better for many of us to simply have a web link, or highlighted passages, instead of the whole article. Thanks. Peggy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2003 Report Share Posted January 23, 2003 My humble suggestion: keep the subject line on track. Sometimes a subject will change midstream but the subject line stays the same and the message is totally unrelated. I receive a digest form (25 posts in 1 email) so I tend to scan the subject headers and just hone in on those that interest me. It would be good to know when it's appropriate to change the subject line also. Thanks. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 The problem with a web link is that the web site can disappear and the information is gone. If the entire article is sent, we can store it on our computers forever. It doesn't matter to me whether the post is long. What is more important is that the new response be posted at the beginning so I know from the first few sentences whether to read or delete. Some people post at the bottom of a message and you have to scroll way down, and that takes a long time. People should also remove most of the post they are answering except the few sentences that help explain their response. Thanks, Doris > I think it is fine to post some articles, but if they are long it might be better for many of us to simply have a web link, or highlighted passages, instead of the whole article. Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Not true with files, which was the suggestion. You download the file and keep it. As for saving web pages, I suggest you go to http://www.surfsaver.com and download their free version. I paid for the Pro version and it's become an essential research tool. ++PLS Re: Re: Managing this list The problem with a web link is that the web site can disappear and the information is gone. If the entire article is sent, we can store it on our computers forever. It doesn't matter to me whether the post is long. What is more important is that the new response be posted at the beginning so I know from the first few sentences whether to read or delete. Some people post at the bottom of a message and you have to scroll way down, and that takes a long time. People should also remove most of the post they are answering except the few sentences that help explain their response. Thanks, Doris > I think it is fine to post some articles, but if they are long it might be better for many of us to simply have a web link, or highlighted passages, instead of the whole article. Peggy This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Just my thoughts here. I've been on the list since 2001, although I unsubscribed twice when I crashed, not realizing that I could have gone No Mail. Regarding the volume of posts, if you check the archive summary, there were actually more posts in year 2000, some as high as 2200 per month. So I think it just depends on how many new people join and what's happening out in the world re CFS. I have two suggestions, and I hope you can bear with me as I say this. 1. Limit the Number of Posts Per Day, per Person. This would help cut down the volume. I'm not suggesting anyone should monitor this, but that we could moderate ourselves. Do we really need to post more than 2-3 times per day (unless someone is specifically asking for our input). 2. Check Your Emotions at the Door. So many times, I've wanted to write back a sharp, zingy email to various posts that have riled me up. But I've seen what happens when people let their emotions rule them. So when I can't hold back and I just have to let xxx know how I feel about their comments, I write an email in my 'drafts' folder in Outlook. Then I keep it there for awhile until I've gotten over my anger. Then I press the 'delete' button. So far I've been lucky and haven't slipped up and sent it out accidentally ) Thanks for listening and now I'll go back to my nest. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Thanks for your input Peggy. I think using the polls is a good idea too. I noticed one flaw though. I could not access a poll to " research " it, unless I voted. Some things I have no experience with, or opinion on. So, it would be unfair on others for me to vote on it. It would skew the results when I have no idea what I'm talking about. But, I would like to be able to see the experiences that others have had with it, to see if it might be something I wanted to try also. Does anyone have any ideas on how this flaw in the polls might be corrected? Zippy ==================================================================== > I would like to second Zippy's suggestion that people do what they can to > make this list more manageable. In recent weeks, I have almost totally > dropped off the list, which is fairly uncommon for me (as most of the oldies > know), just because it seems like some new members are posting SO many posts > per day and the list is generating a lot more mail. I just can't keep up -- > I don't know about the rest of you. Zippy's suggestion to utilize sites like > RemedyFind.com is a great idea. Also, we can utilize the polls on the > page for this group to compile information. Also, I have noticed a lot of > people posting articles on the list lately. I think it is fine to post some > articles, but if they are long it might be better for many of us to simply > have a web link, or highlighted passages, instead of the whole article. > Thanks. > > Peggy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: > http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 All, it is much easier to just read the posts from the website. I have been on digest, but I find it much easier to read from the site and simply pick out which posts you want to read without having to scroll through a digest. Mike C > > > > Good point Anne, and that's another good sign taht someone is probably > not on Digest mode. It's one thing if one brainfoggedly forgets to change > the subject title but to not even make an effort to do it is shameless and > selfish. I hope everyone here makes a sincere effort. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 I think some great ideas are being raised regarding management of this list, and since this topic seems to come up frequently, how about if we compile these ideas into guidelines? Instead of making the moderators/listowners do all the work, I would like to suggest that we listmembers comprise a set of guidelines that would be emailed to new members when they join and would also be available on the website. They would have to be approved by the listowners, of course, and then I would suggest a post from the moderators/listowners announcing them so everyone will know. (I don't think many members are following this thread because it's off-topic.) These new guidelines could be merged with the existing ones. They would need to be short (so people would read them) and easy to understand. The idea is to reduce the number and length of postings, without sacrificing content or topics, of course. Also, it should be stressed that we are not trying to turn this list into a police state. No one will be penalized for going outside the rules, and a friendly reminder *backchannel* is all that is needed to enlighten someone who is not following them. In that spirit, I'd like to take a stab at a few, to get things started. Feel free to rework them and add others: 1. Please do not post thank-you notes, acknowledgements, jokes, or chat to the list. These are best sent backchannel. 2. If the topic of a thread changes in the course of discussion, please change the subject line to accurately reflect it. It is sometimes helpful to append the new subject line with " Was " followed by the original subject line so readers can follow the whole thread. 3. When replying to a message, please quote a few lines from the original posting so that readers know what you are replying to. Try to avoid quoting the entire message unless necessary for clarity. Shorter is better. Please make it clear where the quote ends and your reply begins. Thoughts? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 I'm for it. Zippy (With the inclusion of double line seperators between posts and replies, like the one below) ================================================================== > I think some great ideas are being raised regarding management of this list, > and since this topic seems to come up frequently, how about if we compile > these ideas into guidelines? Instead of making the moderators/listowners do > all the work, I would like to suggest that we listmembers comprise a set of > guidelines that would be emailed to new members when they join and would > also be available on the website. They would have to be approved by the > listowners, of course, and then I would suggest a post from the > moderators/listowners announcing them so everyone will know. (I don't think > many members are following this thread because it's off-topic.) > > These new guidelines could be merged with the existing ones. They would > need to be short (so people would read them) and easy to understand. The > idea is to reduce the number and length of postings, without sacrificing > content or topics, of course. > Also, it should be stressed that we are not trying to turn this list into a > police state. No one will be penalized for going outside the rules, and a > friendly reminder *backchannel* is all that is needed to enlighten someone > who is not following them. > > In that spirit, I'd like to take a stab at a few, to get things started. > Feel free to rework them and add others: > > 1. Please do not post thank-you notes, acknowledgements, jokes, or chat to > the list. These are best sent backchannel. > > 2. If the topic of a thread changes in the course of discussion, please > change the subject line to accurately reflect it. It is sometimes helpful > to append the new subject line with " Was " followed by the original subject > line so readers can follow the whole thread. > > 3. When replying to a message, please quote a few lines from the original > posting so that readers know what you are replying to. Try to avoid quoting > the entire message unless necessary for clarity. Shorter is better. Please > make it clear where the quote ends and your reply begins. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 I agree with Peggy. Information overload. My e-mail keeps filling up. Steve B. >From: Peggomatic@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Managing this list >Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:39:51 EST > >I would like to second Zippy's suggestion that people do what they can to >make this list more manageable. In recent weeks, I have almost totally >dropped off the list, which is fairly uncommon for me (as most of the >oldies >know), just because it seems like some new members are posting SO many >posts >per day and the list is generating a lot more mail. I just can't keep up >-- >I don't know about the rest of you. Zippy's suggestion to utilize sites >like >RemedyFind.com is a great idea. Also, we can utilize the polls on the > >page for this group to compile information. Also, I have noticed a lot of >people posting articles on the list lately. I think it is fine to post >some >articles, but if they are long it might be better for many of us to simply >have a web link, or highlighted passages, instead of the whole article. >Thanks. > >Peggy > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: >http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Great idea. However, I would be in favor of someone (with better writing skills than me) summarize the guidelines and put them on the website so that new members will see them, and, when someone violates the guidelines, that person can simply be directed to the CFSExp home page. Mike C. - In , " purplesparrow " <purplesparrow@e...> wrote: > I think some great ideas are being raised regarding management of this list, > and since this topic seems to come up frequently, how about if we compile > these ideas into guidelines?<<snip>> They would have to be approved by the > listowners, of course, . (I don't think > many members are following this thread because it's off-topic.) > > These new guidelines could be merged with the existing ones. They would > need to be short (so people would read them) and easy to understand. The > idea is to reduce the number and length of postings, without sacrificing > content or topics, of course.<<<snip<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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