Re: freaky bruised looking finger emergency

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Amazing to read this post as I just had the EXACT thing happen to me over the

weekend. I have had similar instances and you described it perfectly, and

exactly as I experienced as well. This one is on my right hand palm. I felt it

burst and it throbbed for a few hours as it turned red/purple and swelled. Then

turned black and is still black and sore 5 days later.

I am wondering what this is an indication of?

I will look forward to any information on this as well. Thank you!!

freaky bruised looking finger emergency

I have a problem that I'm hoping someone can suggest something for. In the

course of my illness, I have occasionally (half a dozen times over the

course of the last three years) had blood vessels around joints in my hands

and feet burst, not from any kind of injury, but just out of the blue. They

would start to painfully throb, and then suddenly they would turn bright

red, which would later turn black. It causes a bruised looking area and

inflammation around the joint for several days, and the bruise takes a week

or two to disappear, and in the mean time the joint becomes more painful

than usual.

I've recently had coagulation testing done, a week and a half ago, and I'm

waiting results of it, which I should have in another week, to determine if

I have a hypercoagulation problem so that I can be put on heparin, or other

necessary treatments. (I'm guessing that the broken blood vessels are a

pretty serious indication that I have this problem.)

In the mean time, this past Monday I discovered that my little finger was

again showing signs of a blood vessel having broken, but I never felt any

pain like previous episodes. This time it has been very different than the

previous broken blood vessels. My finger swelled more so than previous, and

all the joints in the finger turned black, not just one joint like previous,

although the skin between the joints looks fine. I thought perhaps I had

jammed it or accidentally broken it, although I couldn't remember doing

anything that might have impacted it. So I went to the doctor the next day,

and they thought it warranted having it x-rayed, because by that time it

really had swollen considerably, and the joints were very black on both the

back and palm side, indicating that the damage went clear through the joint.

But it turned out not to be broken, and they thought I had just done

something to injure it, and suggested that I keep it immobilized till the

swelling goes down.

This morning when I got up, the swelling was gone, the black coloring was

mostly gone, and there was very little indication that anything had happened

to it at all. It was rather freaky to have a bruise heal so quickly, if that

was what it was.

But this evening, the swelling is back, and the blackness is back, with

considerable redness, and with some distended veins showing where I normally

don't see veins. The fact that it can come and go so quickly doesn't seem

like the previous episodes of burst blood vessels, with the bruising that

lasts for a week or more.

I don't know what might cause this type of problem. It seems like the more I

move the finger around, the worse the discoloring is, so I've been trying to

keep it immobile at my doctor's suggestion. The odd thing is that aside from

the stiffness of having it so swollen, there is very little pain today, and

especially this evening, unlike the pain I had when the other blood vessels

around joints broke, although it did hurt a lot yesterday before I went to

the doctor. And the fact that this seems to involve all the joints in the

finger, but the skin in between the joints seems unaffected is also odd.

Anyone have any idea's of what this might be, or what I might do to deal

with this? Having my little finger immobilized makes typing a nightmare! And

if this is blood clot damage, shouldn't I be doing something to prevent

blood clots from traveling to more vital organs? And if so, what?

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

i can't think of anything other than hypercoagulation disorder. info

at

www.hemex.com

bill

> Hello,

> Amazing to read this post as I just had the EXACT thing happen to

me over the weekend. I have had similar instances and you described

it perfectly, and exactly as I experienced as well. This one is on

my right hand palm. I felt it burst and it throbbed for a few hours

as it turned red/purple and swelled. Then turned black and is still

black and sore 5 days later.

>

> I am wondering what this is an indication of?

>

> I will look forward to any information on this as well. Thank you!!

> freaky bruised looking finger

emergency

>

>

> I have a problem that I'm hoping someone can suggest something

for. In the

> course of my illness, I have occasionally (half a dozen times

over the

> course of the last three years) had blood vessels around joints

in my hands

> and feet burst, not from any kind of injury, but just out of the

blue. They

> would start to painfully throb, and then suddenly they would turn

bright

> red, which would later turn black. It causes a bruised looking

area and

> inflammation around the joint for several days, and the bruise

takes a week

> or two to disappear, and in the mean time the joint becomes more

painful

> than usual.

>

> I've recently had coagulation testing done, a week and a half

ago, and I'm

> waiting results of it, which I should have in another week, to

determine if

> I have a hypercoagulation problem so that I can be put on

heparin, or other

> necessary treatments. (I'm guessing that the broken blood vessels

are a

> pretty serious indication that I have this problem.)

>

> In the mean time, this past Monday I discovered that my little

finger was

> again showing signs of a blood vessel having broken, but I never

felt any

> pain like previous episodes. This time it has been very different

than the

> previous broken blood vessels. My finger swelled more so than

previous, and

> all the joints in the finger turned black, not just one joint

like previous,

> although the skin between the joints looks fine. I thought

perhaps I had

> jammed it or accidentally broken it, although I couldn't remember

doing

> anything that might have impacted it. So I went to the doctor the

next day,

> and they thought it warranted having it x-rayed, because by that

time it

> really had swollen considerably, and the joints were very black

on both the

> back and palm side, indicating that the damage went clear through

the joint.

> But it turned out not to be broken, and they thought I had just

done

> something to injure it, and suggested that I keep it immobilized

till the

> swelling goes down.

>

> This morning when I got up, the swelling was gone, the black

coloring was

> mostly gone, and there was very little indication that anything

had happened

> to it at all. It was rather freaky to have a bruise heal so

quickly, if that

> was what it was.

>

> But this evening, the swelling is back, and the blackness is

back, with

> considerable redness, and with some distended veins showing where

I normally

> don't see veins. The fact that it can come and go so quickly

doesn't seem

> like the previous episodes of burst blood vessels, with the

bruising that

> lasts for a week or more.

>

> I don't know what might cause this type of problem. It seems like

the more I

> move the finger around, the worse the discoloring is, so I've

been trying to

> keep it immobile at my doctor's suggestion. The odd thing is that

aside from

> the stiffness of having it so swollen, there is very little pain

today, and

> especially this evening, unlike the pain I had when the other

blood vessels

> around joints broke, although it did hurt a lot yesterday before

I went to

> the doctor. And the fact that this seems to involve all the

joints in the

> finger, but the skin in between the joints seems unaffected is

also odd.

>

> Anyone have any idea's of what this might be, or what I might do

to deal

> with this? Having my little finger immobilized makes typing a

nightmare! And

> if this is blood clot damage, shouldn't I be doing something to

prevent

> blood clots from traveling to more vital organs? And if so, what?

>

>

> lindaj@h...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've had similar, but not identical problems with my feet where they swell and

throb (to the point I can't walk) and then become black & blue. I asked Dr.

Bell about this a few years ago and he said it happens when PWC over-exert

themselves and the blood pools at the feet.

Since this happened in your hands and fingers, I'm not sure if it is the same

problem, but do you remember using your fingers alot before the swelling

started? Rest was the only short term treatment that worked. I think I am

getting better because I haven't gotten these symptoms when I over-exert myself

in the last year.

Al C.

--

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:31:57

Blacksmith Enterprises wrote:

>Hello,

>Amazing to read this post as I just had the EXACT thing happen to me over the

weekend. I have had similar instances and you described it perfectly, and

exactly as I experienced as well. This one is on my right hand palm. I felt it

burst and it throbbed for a few hours as it turned red/purple and swelled. Then

turned black and is still black and sore 5 days later.

>

>I am wondering what this is an indication of?

>

>>

> I have a problem that I'm hoping someone can suggest something for. In the

> course of my illness, I have occasionally (half a dozen times over the

> course of the last three years) had blood vessels around joints in my hands

> and feet burst, not from any kind of injury, but just out of the blue. They

> would start to painfully throb, and then suddenly they would turn bright

> red, which would later turn black. It causes a bruised looking area and

> inflammation around the joint for several days, and the bruise takes a week

> or two to disappear, and in the mean time the joint becomes more painful

> than usual.

>

> I've recently had coagulation testing done, a week and a half ago, and I'm

> waiting results of it, which I should have in another week, to determine if

> I have a hypercoagulation problem so that I can be put on heparin, or other

> necessary treatments. (I'm guessing that the broken blood vessels are a

> pretty serious indication that I have this problem.)

>

> In the mean time, this past Monday I discovered that my little finger was

> again showing signs of a blood vessel having broken, but I never felt any

> pain like previous episodes. This time it has been very different than the

> previous broken blood vessels. My finger swelled more so than previous, and

> all the joints in the finger turned black, not just one joint like previous,

> although the skin between the joints looks fine. I thought perhaps I had

> jammed it or accidentally broken it, although I couldn't remember doing

> anything that might have impacted it. So I went to the doctor the next day,

> and they thought it warranted having it x-rayed, because by that time it

> really had swollen considerably, and the joints were very black on both the

> back and palm side, indicating that the damage went clear through the joint.

> But it turned out not to be broken, and they thought I had just done

> something to injure it, and suggested that I keep it immobilized till the

> swelling goes down.

>

> This morning when I got up, the swelling was gone, the black coloring was

> mostly gone, and there was very little indication that anything had happened

> to it at all. It was rather freaky to have a bruise heal so quickly, if that

> was what it was.

>

> But this evening, the swelling is back, and the blackness is back, with

> considerable redness, and with some distended veins showing where I normally

> don't see veins. The fact that it can come and go so quickly doesn't seem

> like the previous episodes of burst blood vessels, with the bruising that

> lasts for a week or more.

>

> I don't know what might cause this type of problem. It seems like the more I

> move the finger around, the worse the discoloring is, so I've been trying to

> keep it immobile at my doctor's suggestion. The odd thing is that aside from

> the stiffness of having it so swollen, there is very little pain today, and

> especially this evening, unlike the pain I had when the other blood vessels

> around joints broke, although it did hurt a lot yesterday before I went to

> the doctor. And the fact that this seems to involve all the joints in the

> finger, but the skin in between the joints seems unaffected is also odd.

>

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Not a doctor here, so just guessing. But I am guessing a too acid system or a

low vitamin c issue. Bioflavinoids and c are strengthening to the cardio

vascular system. The reason cholestrol plaque is an issue around the heart is

because the heart moves alot and when a person is low in c, the arteries are

weak and tear and the body patches those tears with cholesterol. This is a good

thing. Otherwise you would spring a leak and die. That is why you don't find

large cholesterol deposits far away from the heart.

Maybe the activity around the joints is similar for you guys and your system is

not up to snuff and so the leakage. Maybe there is a need for moving your

bodies toward a healthier alkalinity and making sure you have enough c and

bioflavinoids in your diet.

Just guessing.

Donna

freaky bruised looking finger emergency

I have a problem that I'm hoping someone can suggest something for. In the

course of my illness, I have occasionally (half a dozen times over the

course of the last three years) had blood vessels around joints in my hands

and feet burst, not from any kind of injury, but just out of the blue. They

would start to painfully throb, and then suddenly they would turn bright

red, which would later turn black. It causes a bruised looking area and

inflammation around the joint for several days, and the bruise takes a week

or two to disappear, and in the mean time the joint becomes more painful

than usual.

I've recently had coagulation testing done, a week and a half ago, and I'm

waiting results of it, which I should have in another week, to determine if

I have a hypercoagulation problem so that I can be put on heparin, or other

necessary treatments. (I'm guessing that the broken blood vessels are a

pretty serious indication that I have this problem.)

In the mean time, this past Monday I discovered that my little finger was

again showing signs of a blood vessel having broken, but I never felt any

pain like previous episodes. This time it has been very different than the

previous broken blood vessels. My finger swelled more so than previous, and

all the joints in the finger turned black, not just one joint like previous,

although the skin between the joints looks fine. I thought perhaps I had

jammed it or accidentally broken it, although I couldn't remember doing

anything that might have impacted it. So I went to the doctor the next day,

and they thought it warranted having it x-rayed, because by that time it

really had swollen considerably, and the joints were very black on both the

back and palm side, indicating that the damage went clear through the joint.

But it turned out not to be broken, and they thought I had just done

something to injure it, and suggested that I keep it immobilized till the

swelling goes down.

This morning when I got up, the swelling was gone, the black coloring was

mostly gone, and there was very little indication that anything had happened

to it at all. It was rather freaky to have a bruise heal so quickly, if that

was what it was.

But this evening, the swelling is back, and the blackness is back, with

considerable redness, and with some distended veins showing where I normally

don't see veins. The fact that it can come and go so quickly doesn't seem

like the previous episodes of burst blood vessels, with the bruising that

lasts for a week or more.

I don't know what might cause this type of problem. It seems like the more I

move the finger around, the worse the discoloring is, so I've been trying to

keep it immobile at my doctor's suggestion. The odd thing is that aside from

the stiffness of having it so swollen, there is very little pain today, and

especially this evening, unlike the pain I had when the other blood vessels

around joints broke, although it did hurt a lot yesterday before I went to

the doctor. And the fact that this seems to involve all the joints in the

finger, but the skin in between the joints seems unaffected is also odd.

Anyone have any idea's of what this might be, or what I might do to deal

with this? Having my little finger immobilized makes typing a nightmare! And

if this is blood clot damage, shouldn't I be doing something to prevent

blood clots from traveling to more vital organs? And if so, what?

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

The trick is how to alkalinize the body when one has CFS/FM, because some of

us have a problem with this that doesn't seem to respond to regular methods

for alkalinizing the body. I've been seeing a naturopath for the last 2 1/2

years trying to get my body balanced, intestinally and alkalinizingly and

detoxification wise.

I've been taking Emergen-C daily, (source of vitamin C, bioflavonoids and

potassium) I eat lots of fresh raw vegetables and some limited amounts of

fruit (mostly organic, and a lot of it homegrown so most of it's very

fresh), I try to eat a primarily alkalinizing diet, I take magnesium and

potassium supplements, etc. What else is involved in alkalinizing the body?

I have concerns about increasing the amount of vitamin C that I take over

and about the 1000 mg. of C in the Emergen-C, and the 500 mg. of C in my

multivitamin supplement, because of the information I've been reading about

it lowering glutithione levels, which are notoriously low in PWC's. But

somehow I think that the amount of vitamin C I'm taking is not causing a

lack of vitamin C.

With anaerobic metabolism, (I have problems with lactic acid build-up in my

tissues, and it causes me to have panic attack problems and muscle pain)

hypoxia problems from possible hypercoagulation problems and neurally

mediated hypotension, fatty acid metabolism problems - I have low

cholesterol levels, and don't seem to metabolize Omega 3's from plant

sources, so I have to take fish oil. (Nordic Naturals Omega 3 EPA formula) I

also take 800 mg. of natural mixed tocopheral E, and do high dose

hydroxycobalamin B 12 shots every few days, plus a host of other

supplements. But aside from the occasional broken blood vessel around the

joints in my hands and feet, I don't bruise easily. In fact, I rarely get

bruises. I haven't had any bruises for the last year, in fact. Wouldn't

bruising easily be an indication of weak blood vessels?

So I'm still puzzled about what is going on with my finger. It continues to

look almost healed every morning, and continues to turn black and red and

swollen by evening, which doesn't seem to be the same as previous blood

vessel breaks around joints. I've been avoiding using it as much as

possible, and have been keeping it immobilized. This evening, the joints in

my ring finger on my left hand, next to the damaged little finger, have

begun to have reddish/purplish tinge to the joints and have swollen

slightly.

lindaj@...

freaky bruised looking finger emergency

>

>

> I have a problem that I'm hoping someone can suggest something for. In

the

> course of my illness, I have occasionally (half a dozen times over the

> course of the last three years) had blood vessels around joints in my

hands

> and feet burst, not from any kind of injury, but just out of the blue.

They

> would start to painfully throb, and then suddenly they would turn

bright

> red, which would later turn black. It causes a bruised looking area

and

> inflammation around the joint for several days, and the bruise takes a

week

> or two to disappear, and in the mean time the joint becomes more

painful

> than usual.

>

> I've recently had coagulation testing done, a week and a half ago, and

I'm

> waiting results of it, which I should have in another week, to

determine if

> I have a hypercoagulation problem so that I can be put on heparin, or

other

> necessary treatments. (I'm guessing that the broken blood vessels are

a

> pretty serious indication that I have this problem.)

>

> In the mean time, this past Monday I discovered that my little finger

was

> again showing signs of a blood vessel having broken, but I never felt

any

> pain like previous episodes. This time it has been very different than

the

> previous broken blood vessels. My finger swelled more so than

previous, and

> all the joints in the finger turned black, not just one joint like

previous,

> although the skin between the joints looks fine. I thought perhaps I

had

> jammed it or accidentally broken it, although I couldn't remember

doing

> anything that might have impacted it. So I went to the doctor the next

day,

> and they thought it warranted having it x-rayed, because by that time

it

> really had swollen considerably, and the joints were very black on

both the

> back and palm side, indicating that the damage went clear through the

joint.

> But it turned out not to be broken, and they thought I had just done

> something to injure it, and suggested that I keep it immobilized till

the

> swelling goes down.

>

> This morning when I got up, the swelling was gone, the black coloring

was

> mostly gone, and there was very little indication that anything had

happened

> to it at all. It was rather freaky to have a bruise heal so quickly,

if that

> was what it was.

>

> But this evening, the swelling is back, and the blackness is back,

with

> considerable redness, and with some distended veins showing where I

normally

> don't see veins. The fact that it can come and go so quickly doesn't

seem

> like the previous episodes of burst blood vessels, with the bruising

that

> lasts for a week or more.

>

> I don't know what might cause this type of problem. It seems like the

more I

> move the finger around, the worse the discoloring is, so I've been

trying to

> keep it immobile at my doctor's suggestion. The odd thing is that

aside from

> the stiffness of having it so swollen, there is very little pain

today, and

> especially this evening, unlike the pain I had when the other blood

vessels

> around joints broke, although it did hurt a lot yesterday before I

went to

> the doctor. And the fact that this seems to involve all the joints in

the

> finger, but the skin in between the joints seems unaffected is also

odd.

>

> Anyone have any idea's of what this might be, or what I might do to

deal

> with this? Having my little finger immobilized makes typing a

nightmare! And

> if this is blood clot damage, shouldn't I be doing something to

prevent

> blood clots from traveling to more vital organs? And if so, what?

>

>

> lindaj@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna -

Your theory on the heart repairing coronary artery tears with plaque is

very interesting! In view of how all the ultra-expert scientists have been

unable to solve the coronary artery plaque mystery, you may just be right!

You sure are correct about Vitamin C strengthening our vascular plumbing,

including the smallest of all, the capillaries. 's blue bruise marks

around joints may be a sign of capillary fragility, where capillaries break

and leak blood. Increased Vitamin C may stop this from happening - try

about 250 mg four times a day. 250 after breakfast, 250 after lunch, and

500 after supper.

A Vitamin C enthusiast,

Mort Caldwell

PWC since 1994

Biomedical Engineer - BSEE and MS in Cardiovascular Physiology

But now a CFS-shutdown person, although still very much kicking at about

30%

Re: freaky bruised looking finger emergency

Not a doctor here, so just guessing. But I am guessing a too acid system

or a low vitamin c issue. Bioflavinoids and c are strengthening to the

cardio vascular system. The reason cholestrol plaque is an issue around

the heart is because the heart moves alot and when a person is low in c,

the arteries are weak and tear and the body patches those tears with

cholesterol. This is a good thing. Otherwise you would spring a leak and

die. That is why you don't find large cholesterol deposits far away from

the heart.

Maybe the activity around the joints is similar for you guys and your

system is not up to snuff and so the leakage. Maybe there is a need for

moving your bodies toward a healthier alkalinity and making sure you have

enough c and bioflavinoids in your diet.

Just guessing.

Donna

freaky bruised looking finger emergency

I have a problem that I'm hoping someone can suggest something for. In

the

course of my illness, I have occasionally (half a dozen times over the

course of the last three years) had blood vessels around joints in my

hands

and feet burst, not from any kind of injury, but just out of the blue.

They

would start to painfully throb, and then suddenly they would turn

bright

red, which would later turn black. It causes a bruised looking area and

inflammation around the joint for several days, and the bruise takes a

week

or two to disappear, and in the mean time the joint becomes more

painful

than usual.

I've recently had coagulation testing done, a week and a half ago, and

I'm

waiting results of it, which I should have in another week, to

determine if

I have a hypercoagulation problem so that I can be put on heparin, or

other

necessary treatments. (I'm guessing that the broken blood vessels are a

pretty serious indication that I have this problem.)

In the mean time, this past Monday I discovered that my little finger

was

again showing signs of a blood vessel having broken, but I never felt

any

pain like previous episodes. This time it has been very different than

the

previous broken blood vessels. My finger swelled more so than previous,

and

all the joints in the finger turned black, not just one joint like

previous,

although the skin between the joints looks fine. I thought perhaps I

had

jammed it or accidentally broken it, although I couldn't remember doing

anything that might have impacted it. So I went to the doctor the next

day,

and they thought it warranted having it x-rayed, because by that time

it

really had swollen considerably, and the joints were very black on both

the

back and palm side, indicating that the damage went clear through the

joint.

But it turned out not to be broken, and they thought I had just done

something to injure it, and suggested that I keep it immobilized till

the

swelling goes down.

This morning when I got up, the swelling was gone, the black coloring

was

mostly gone, and there was very little indication that anything had

happened

to it at all. It was rather freaky to have a bruise heal so quickly, if

that

was what it was.

But this evening, the swelling is back, and the blackness is back, with

considerable redness, and with some distended veins showing where I

normally

don't see veins. The fact that it can come and go so quickly doesn't

seem

like the previous episodes of burst blood vessels, with the bruising

that

lasts for a week or more.

I don't know what might cause this type of problem. It seems like the

more I

move the finger around, the worse the discoloring is, so I've been

trying to

keep it immobile at my doctor's suggestion. The odd thing is that aside

from

the stiffness of having it so swollen, there is very little pain today,

and

especially this evening, unlike the pain I had when the other blood

vessels

around joints broke, although it did hurt a lot yesterday before I went

to

the doctor. And the fact that this seems to involve all the joints in

the

finger, but the skin in between the joints seems unaffected is also

odd.

Anyone have any idea's of what this might be, or what I might do to

deal

with this? Having my little finger immobilized makes typing a

nightmare! And

if this is blood clot damage, shouldn't I be doing something to prevent

blood clots from traveling to more vital organs? And if so, what?

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

Hi . I don't see that you mentioned calcium anywhere. Maybe I missed it.

I saw that you do mag and potassium but not cal. Calcium is the bodies first

line of attack when it comes ot alkalizing the body.

Also, did you ever have this happen before you did emergen-c? I did emergen c

for about a month and started to have joint pain in my hands. Happened to a

friend also and I wonder how far it would have gone if I hadn't stopped.

Also, there are two companies I have recently been learning about that have

products for alkalizing, if you have tried calcium and it hasn't worked. One

has a product called supergreens which helps alkalize and prime ph which you add

to water. I think the company is called Innerlight. I just started the

supergreens and I am noticing benefits from them.

Also been looking into the miracle two products. they have a product called a

neutralizer which neutralizes internal toxins and increases alkalinity. I

haven't used it, but I think I am going to try it in the next month. I'll let

you all know what I think.

Please keep us posted on your progress.

Blessings.

Donna

Re: freaky bruised looking finger emergency

The trick is how to alkalinize the body when one has CFS/FM, because some of

us have a problem with this that doesn't seem to respond to regular methods

for alkalinizing the body. I've been seeing a naturopath for the last 2 1/2

years trying to get my body balanced, intestinally and alkalinizingly and

detoxification wise.

I've been taking Emergen-C daily, (source of vitamin C, bioflavonoids and

potassium) I eat lots of fresh raw vegetables and some limited amounts of

fruit (mostly organic, and a lot of it homegrown so most of it's very

fresh), I try to eat a primarily alkalinizing diet, I take magnesium and

potassium supplements, etc. What else is involved in alkalinizing the body?

I have concerns about increasing the amount of vitamin C that I take over

and about the 1000 mg. of C in the Emergen-C, and the 500 mg. of C in my

multivitamin supplement, because of the information I've been reading about

it lowering glutithione levels, which are notoriously low in PWC's. But

somehow I think that the amount of vitamin C I'm taking is not causing a

lack of vitamin C.

With anaerobic metabolism, (I have problems with lactic acid build-up in my

tissues, and it causes me to have panic attack problems and muscle pain)

hypoxia problems from possible hypercoagulation problems and neurally

mediated hypotension, fatty acid metabolism problems - I have low

cholesterol levels, and don't seem to metabolize Omega 3's from plant

sources, so I have to take fish oil. (Nordic Naturals Omega 3 EPA formula) I

also take 800 mg. of natural mixed tocopheral E, and do high dose

hydroxycobalamin B 12 shots every few days, plus a host of other

supplements. But aside from the occasional broken blood vessel around the

joints in my hands and feet, I don't bruise easily. In fact, I rarely get

bruises. I haven't had any bruises for the last year, in fact. Wouldn't

bruising easily be an indication of weak blood vessels?

So I'm still puzzled about what is going on with my finger. It continues to

look almost healed every morning, and continues to turn black and red and

swollen by evening, which doesn't seem to be the same as previous blood

vessel breaks around joints. I've been avoiding using it as much as

possible, and have been keeping it immobilized. This evening, the joints in

my ring finger on my left hand, next to the damaged little finger, have

begun to have reddish/purplish tinge to the joints and have swollen

slightly.

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Mort. Well I wish I was that smart. Smile. It sure isn't my theory. I am

just parroting Linus ing. If a person does a web search on a product called

Heart Technology they will find some great info on this topic.

And I think it is worth researching since so many people are on diets to reduce

cholesterol, which the body needs to be healthy, when what they really need to

do is make sure they don't have chronic scurvy, which most people have. Not

acute scurvy which would lead to quick death. but chronic scurvy which leads to

heart disease and other things. Very interesting reading.

Blessings.

Donna

Keep kicking Mort. I know it is tough to have a type A personality in a type B

body. smile, but if your persevere the two will reallign. Fortunately

diligence is a type A characteristic, so I suspect you will do well. Just keep

kicking.

freaky bruised looking finger emergency

I have a problem that I'm hoping someone can suggest something for. In

the

course of my illness, I have occasionally (half a dozen times over the

course of the last three years) had blood vessels around joints in my

hands

and feet burst, not from any kind of injury, but just out of the blue.

They

would start to painfully throb, and then suddenly they would turn

bright

red, which would later turn black. It causes a bruised looking area and

inflammation around the joint for several days, and the bruise takes a

week

or two to disappear, and in the mean time the joint becomes more

painful

than usual.

I've recently had coagulation testing done, a week and a half ago, and

I'm

waiting results of it, which I should have in another week, to

determine if

I have a hypercoagulation problem so that I can be put on heparin, or

other

necessary treatments. (I'm guessing that the broken blood vessels are a

pretty serious indication that I have this problem.)

In the mean time, this past Monday I discovered that my little finger

was

again showing signs of a blood vessel having broken, but I never felt

any

pain like previous episodes. This time it has been very different than

the

previous broken blood vessels. My finger swelled more so than previous,

and

all the joints in the finger turned black, not just one joint like

previous,

although the skin between the joints looks fine. I thought perhaps I

had

jammed it or accidentally broken it, although I couldn't remember doing

anything that might have impacted it. So I went to the doctor the next

day,

and they thought it warranted having it x-rayed, because by that time

it

really had swollen considerably, and the joints were very black on both

the

back and palm side, indicating that the damage went clear through the

joint.

But it turned out not to be broken, and they thought I had just done

something to injure it, and suggested that I keep it immobilized till

the

swelling goes down.

This morning when I got up, the swelling was gone, the black coloring

was

mostly gone, and there was very little indication that anything had

happened

to it at all. It was rather freaky to have a bruise heal so quickly, if

that

was what it was.

But this evening, the swelling is back, and the blackness is back, with

considerable redness, and with some distended veins showing where I

normally

don't see veins. The fact that it can come and go so quickly doesn't

seem

like the previous episodes of burst blood vessels, with the bruising

that

lasts for a week or more.

I don't know what might cause this type of problem. It seems like the

more I

move the finger around, the worse the discoloring is, so I've been

trying to

keep it immobile at my doctor's suggestion. The odd thing is that aside

from

the stiffness of having it so swollen, there is very little pain today,

and

especially this evening, unlike the pain I had when the other blood

vessels

around joints broke, although it did hurt a lot yesterday before I went

to

the doctor. And the fact that this seems to involve all the joints in

the

finger, but the skin in between the joints seems unaffected is also

odd.

Anyone have any idea's of what this might be, or what I might do to

deal

with this? Having my little finger immobilized makes typing a

nightmare! And

if this is blood clot damage, shouldn't I be doing something to prevent

blood clots from traveling to more vital organs? And if so, what?

lindaj@...