Non-yeast flat bread source?

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In a message dated 6/16/02 3:35:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time, andrea@...

writes:

> brown rice which I had pretoasted in a dry skillet before cooking (Dr Z

> says it changes

> the carbohydrates in the rice so they aren't as useful to the Candida).

Interesting;

My native American relatives taught me to parch corn before using it, and I

know the Tibetans parch their barley. Generally, parching turns some of the

starch into sugar. Which would be digested more rapidly, giving Candida, less

time to get at it? (That's just a speculation.) There is a European tradition

as well of incorporating darkened meal made of already baked bread into new

loaves. That is one way to make pumpernickel

In Mexico I never saw corn meal as we use it, only limed corn, for tortillas.

Maybe there are better, more helpful things to do with grain beside bake it

into loaves.

I also remember my Granny would not eat fresh bread, only stale. Said the

fresh bothered her stomach.

Adrienne

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Judith F Wisdom wrote:

> I'll start with diet to reduce feeding the Candida and then introduce I

> think Olive Leaf to kill off some. I continue to take 3 strains of

> probiotics but will add some (I use ARG Lactoblend but it doesn't include

> bifidus and I think that is considered important).

>

> All previous attempts to kill of my 4 plus Candida have ended in failure

> because I got so intolerably, scarily sick.

>

Been there, done that, many times over. As far as I can tell, we've got

basically two approaches to choose from:

1) kill the Candida very, very slowly, over a long period of time, while doing

all sorts of detoxing things to help clear out the toxins from the ruptured

yeast cells (saunas, hot epsom salts

baths, drinking TONS of water with Rescue Remedy in it, taking bicarb, colonics,

deep breathing exercises, whatever).

2) hit the Candida hard and fast, and just grit your teeth and bear the sickness

until it's over (in short time, hopefully). If you do this, be sure and line up

some home health care, whether

hired or informally through friends and neighbors. It might help to fill your

freezer with Candida-safe meals, go shopping and prepare raw vegies so they're

ready to eat, etc. Catch up on

laundry, bills, whatever so that you can safely just be sick and not worry about

it for a couple of weeks if need be. Do whatever detox you're up to, or just

sack out and try to sleep through the

battle and detox afterwards :@)

BTW, the absolute best Candida-fighter I have found (in my many bouts with the

yeastie beasties) is 10-undecenoic acid from castor bean oil, sold by Thorne

Products in Formula SF722 and in a new

formula of theirs as well (whose name I forget). You can order it and get phone

consults from my chiropractor (NAYY...) at www.DrZ.org. Or check with NEEDS.

I had the best luck when killing off Candida by avoiding all bread products, and

in fact all grains except brown rice which I had pretoasted in a dry skillet

before cooking (Dr Z says it changes

the carbohydrates in the rice so they aren't as useful to the Candida). Super

low carb diet, lots of organic protein foods and lots of fresh vegetables. Even

frozen organic vegetables worked fine

for me. And nuts, with the exception of peanuts and cashews (raw nuts, if you

don't mind the taste, work best - but store in fridge in summertime).

HTH!

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el wrote:

BTW, the absolute best Candida-fighter I have found (in my many bouts with the

yeastie beasties) is 10-undecenoic acid from castor bean oil, sold by Thorne

Products in Formula SF722 and in a new formula of theirs as well (whose name I

forget). You can order it and get phone consults from my chiropractor

(NAVY....) at www.DrZ.org.

I just finished Dr.Z's Candida Program (www.drz.org) using Thorne Researh's

Formula SF722, along with diet, and 3 other supplements that Dr.Z recommends. I

must agree with , it is one of the best things I have used for Candida. I

have suffered for years with chronic sinus problems and the stuff that came out

of my sinues was amazing. I believe it was who psted this information

awhile back on this group, and that is what started me researching this

supplement and web site. I was very pleased with the results, and am continuing

to work with Dr.Z to help me with my digestion.

Thanks for posting this information.

/ Syracuse, NY

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Just a note;

things that say they are no yeast usually mean no yeast added. Doesn't mean

they are yeast free. That is very hard to accomplish, since yeast floats

around in the air.

Probably real quick things like tortillas would have less.

Adrienne

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Hi All,

I have been Ezekiel tortillas. They are made of sprouted

grains

without yeast. I toast them in the toaster overn or gas oven. They come

out great. I also sometimes have wheat tortillas without yeast. I get

them in health food stores.

Mike

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> Date: 6/17/02 6:58:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time

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> Hi,

> my understanding is that all carbohydrates will " feed " candida, as

> they are broken down in the digestive system to simpler sugars. So,

> I don't see that wheat is in any way special except that it, among

> some other grains have gluten which may be a problem for some

> people as far as digestion and maybe some type of allergic response.

>

Exactly so.

Adrienne

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Thanks, Mike,

I don't remember seeing these and don't get to the health food store

much, but am going with someone this week and will look for these.

Though I now have the added issue of whether to eliminate wheat. I

didn't think it fed Candida--just the yeast does or the white flour

wheat. I wonder if they sell brown rice flat bread sans yeast. If I

find any I'll let you know. Please do same.

Judith Wisdom

On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:59:21 -0400 Mike <mikes@...> writes:

Hi All,

I have been Ezekiel tortillas. They are made of sprouted

grains

without yeast. I toast them in the toaster overn or gas oven. They come

out great. I also sometimes have wheat tortillas without yeast. I get

them in health food stores.

Mike

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Hi,

my understanding is that all carbohydrates will " feed " candida, as

they are broken down in the digestive system to simpler sugars. So,

I don't see that wheat is in any way special except that it, among

some other grains have gluten which may be a problem for some

people as far as digestion and maybe some type of allergic response.

Mike