Re: Cheney ideas on testosterone and cortisol???

[Guest guest]

> I've seen Cheney's tape and read many posts from this group.

However,

> I can't seen to ferret out what Cheney thinks about and how he

> addresses testosterone and/or cortisol deficiency if blood/ASI

tests

> show deficiencies.

>

> What is the experience of those that have been treated by Cheney?

> Does he look at these two hormones and does he try to address

> correcting them directly?

>

> Brad E.

Hi Brad,

I read on Carol Sieverlings website something that Cheney implied

that Growth Hormone " GH " helps all the other hormones work better. I

take the GH and it says not to take cortical steriods, that includes

the sublingual ACE(Adreanl Cortical Extract)per my doctor who not Dr.

Cheney. I assume Testosterone also.

Al

[Guest guest]

Hi Al,

From what I can deduce, I'm still in stage 1 per Cheney's levels.

(Recurrent sinus ear infections and uncomfortable most of the time

along with many of the other common symptoms, sleep disorder, etc.)

GH is for stage 3 as I understand. I guess I'm now left with the

current recommendation of my MD to take testosterone via shots and

gel. Any other thoughts?

Thanks again,

Brad E.

> > I've seen Cheney's tape and read many posts from this group.

> However,

> > I can't seen to ferret out what Cheney thinks about and how he

> > addresses testosterone and/or cortisol deficiency if blood/ASI

> tests

> > show deficiencies.

> >

> > What is the experience of those that have been treated by Cheney?

> > Does he look at these two hormones and does he try to address

> > correcting them directly?

> >

> > Brad E.

>

> Hi Brad,

> I read on Carol Sieverlings website something that Cheney

implied

> that Growth Hormone " GH " helps all the other hormones work better. I

> take the GH and it says not to take cortical steriods, that

includes

> the sublingual ACE(Adreanl Cortical Extract)per my doctor who not

Dr.

> Cheney. I assume Testosterone also.

> Al

[Guest guest]

> Hi Al,

>

> From what I can deduce, I'm still in stage 1 per Cheney's levels.

> (Recurrent sinus ear infections and uncomfortable most of the time

> along with many of the other common symptoms, sleep disorder, etc.)

> GH is for stage 3 as I understand. I guess I'm now left with the

> current recommendation of my MD to take testosterone via shots and

> gel. Any other thoughts?

>

> Thanks again,

> Brad E.

>

Hi Brad,

Hypothalamus injury cause all the hormones to be deficient or

function poorly like Cheney said on the video. Dr. Daryl See(former

CFS reseracher) used to use Testosterone also, so it's worth a try. I

like Biomax ACE also.

Al

[Guest guest]

Al,

The Biomax ACE sounds interesting. What dosing have you used that

seems to work? What is usually recommended?

Thanks again,

Brad E.

> > Hi Al,

> >

> > From what I can deduce, I'm still in stage 1 per Cheney's levels.

> > (Recurrent sinus ear infections and uncomfortable most of the

time

> > along with many of the other common symptoms, sleep disorder,

etc.)

> > GH is for stage 3 as I understand. I guess I'm now left with the

> > current recommendation of my MD to take testosterone via shots

and

> > gel. Any other thoughts?

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Brad E.

> >

> Hi Brad,

> Hypothalamus injury cause all the hormones to be deficient or

> function poorly like Cheney said on the video. Dr. Daryl See(former

> CFS reseracher) used to use Testosterone also, so it's worth a try.

I

> like Biomax ACE also.

> Al

[Guest guest]

> Al,

>

> The Biomax ACE sounds interesting. What dosing have you used that

> seems to work? What is usually recommended?

>

> Thanks again,

> Brad E.

>

5 drops helps for a few hours, sometimes a second dose but not after

6PM. I would get the saliva test for cortisol to see where you are at

first.

Al M.

[Guest guest]

on 5/31/02 2:08 PM, melillo3 at melillo3@... wrote:

> Hi Brad,

> I read on Carol Sieverlings website something that Cheney implied

> that Growth Hormone " GH " helps all the other hormones work better. I

> take the GH and it says not to take cortical steriods, that includes

> the sublingual ACE(Adreanl Cortical Extract)per my doctor who not Dr.

> Cheney. I assume Testosterone also.

Al, Brad & others:

I've been really looking into this issue in the medical journals and the

position I keep coming to is that GH therapy can actually " unmask "

deficiencies of other hormones by increasing the synthesis of [multiple

types of] hormone receptors. E.g. GH increases the number of thyroid

hormone receptors; if there is insufficient thyroid hormone to bind to the

increased number of binding sites, a patient will likely shift into a

[clinically] hypothyroid state.

GH also increases synthesis of sex hormone receptors, like testosterone. my

own experience has been such that my intuition tells me the exact same

situation occurs with respect to testosterone: GH can unmask a testosterone

deficiency by the same process. I've noticed that I fare best when I take a

testosterone prohormone like androstenediol along with my GH. My feeling is

that if you're at all low in the testosterone dept. then GH may shift the

body too far metabolically without the proper compensatory mechanisms in

place (i.e. enough ANABOLIC=tissue sparing potential via androgens, etc.).

My experience is also that i must absolutely continue my hydrocortisone (HC)

dosing along with my GH injections, otherwise I enter into what I'd call a

clinically significant adrenal insufficiency; in fact, it may be the case

that I do best if I actually increase my HC dose around the GH injection

time.

Eager to know your thoughts, experiences on this stuff!

Best,

--

Hud (8 >{D)

hudr@...

[Guest guest]

> Al, Brad & others:

>

[clinically] hypothyroid state.

>

> GH also increases synthesis of sex hormone receptors, like

testosterone. my

> own experience has been such that my intuition tells me the exact

same

> situation occurs with respect to testosterone: GH can unmask a

testosterone

> deficiency by the same process. >

> Eager to know your thoughts, experiences on this stuff!

>

> Best,

> --

>

> Hud (8 >{D)

>

> hudr@s...

Hi Hud,

When I asked the person at Pharmacia(maker of GH) about taking GH

& ACE they said the it would be OK if the the supplement is not

processed through the P450 cytochrome pathway. Still would like to

hear Cheney's opinion on it.

Al

[Guest guest]

>

> You find the ACE very helpful? In what way if youdon't mind

describing to

> me.

>

> Thanks,

> --

>

> Hud (8 >{D)

>

> hudr@s...

Hi Hud,

When I feel drained of energy, the ACE provides about a 3 hour

increase in energy.

Al