Re: fibromyalgia program, part one

[Guest guest]

Hey Jim,

You may well be on to something. (Or not.) But this list is not the place to

try to sell it.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/14/02 4:32:55 PM Mountain Standard Time,

jrobinso@... writes:

> It is true that body pH is very important, but " alkalinized water " is not

> going to help IMHO. pH is only one aspect of acid-alkalinity, the buffer

> size is the other. Even if you swallow alkaline water (say, pH = 10) it

> will be completely - COMPLETELY - overwhelmed by stomach acidity and what

> goes out of the stomach will be unaffected pH-wise by the type of water

> that you drank. The body's pH in blood and gastro-intestinal system is

> determined by things other than the pH of water intake.

>

> JULIAN

I don't know a lot of science, but I sure am not gonna take the word of

someone who starts out here by trying to huckster us. It all sounded kind of

fishy to me as I read it. I didn't see one word about what it had done to

help his illness :=)

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

> On the alkalinized water, I agree with its benefits. Alk water has

> profound positive health effects across the board. As pH rises in the

> body, disease disappears because more oxygen is transported, cells

> can detoxify, and DNA repair can kick back in again.

This is an issue that I am confused about. When pH in the body rises, that

implies more alkaline, right? But I have been told that when the colon

becomes more alkaline, it becomes more toxic. And likewise, when the blood

becomes too alkaline, it looses its ability to transport oxygen effectively.

At least that's what I've read. I've been struggling to try to correct these

two things in my own body, and I have concerns about increasing the

alkalinity of either any further. From what I understand, the body will try

to maintain an alkaline blood to compensate for over acidity in the cells.

So by more alkaline, what specific part of the body are you referring to?

And how do you get the alkalinity from the water through the blood and into

the cells without also disrupting the acid/alkaline balance of the

intestines and blood? Or are you assuming that most people's intestines are

too acidic and their blood too acidic? From my understanding, PWC's are too

alkaline.

lindaj@...

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<<< Anyway you can even build your own water alkalinizer for just a few

bucks, >>>

hi! can you tell us how? thanks!

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debbie s. - dlsherman@...

[Guest guest]

The pH object is to raise tissue and lymph pH. (intracellular and

extracellular)

When you raise tissue pH you are not raising bowel pH, which should

remain acid. To keep bowel pH acid, you would feed the beneficial

bacteria long chain sugars (oligosachharides, FOS)such as Chicory or

Dahlia Inulin. This will aid minearl absorption and control

pathogenic bacteial proliferation.

The blood will maintain its correct levels easily.

ciao

Duncan

> > On the alkalinized water, I agree with its benefits. Alk water

has

> > profound positive health effects across the board. As pH rises in

the

> > body, disease disappears because more oxygen is transported, cells

> > can detoxify, and DNA repair can kick back in again.

>

> This is an issue that I am confused about. When pH in the body

rises, that

> implies more alkaline, right? But I have been told that when the

colon

> becomes more alkaline, it becomes more toxic. And likewise, when

the blood

> becomes too alkaline, it looses its ability to transport oxygen

effectively.

> At least that's what I've read. I've been struggling to try to

correct these

> two things in my own body, and I have concerns about increasing the

> alkalinity of either any further. From what I understand, the body

will try

> to maintain an alkaline blood to compensate for over acidity in the

cells.

> So by more alkaline, what specific part of the body are you

referring to?

> And how do you get the alkalinity from the water through the blood

and into

> the cells without also disrupting the acid/alkaline balance of the

> intestines and blood? Or are you assuming that most people's

intestines are

> too acidic and their blood too acidic? From my understanding, PWC's

are too

> alkaline.

>

>

> lindaj@h...

[Guest guest]

It is true that body pH is very important, but " alkalinized water " is not

going to help IMHO. pH is only one aspect of acid-alkalinity, the buffer

size is the other. Even if you swallow alkaline water (say, pH = 10) it

will be completely - COMPLETELY - overwhelmed by stomach acidity and what

goes out of the stomach will be unaffected pH-wise by the type of water

that you drank. The body's pH in blood and gastro-intestinal system is

determined by things other than the pH of water intake.

JULIAN

At 05:56 15/03/02, you wrote:

>On the alkalinized water, I agree with its benefits. Alk water has

>profound positive health effects across the board. As pH rises in the

>body, disease disappears because more oxygen is transported, cells

>can detoxify, and DNA repair can kick back in again.

[Guest guest]

I've been doing FOS for 3 years.

I've also been doing a whole grains (especially oat fiber), no sugar, no

white flour, anti-candida diet, taking Olive Leaf Extract and Psyllium Husk

and using a probiotic. I've been eating an anti-candida diet, with a little

chicken and fish, and with lots of whole fruits and vegetables, and high

fiber. I've been trying to avoid foods I'm allergic to. My naturopath has

put me through several anti-parasitic cleanses, and has been carefully

monitoring my diet, and I've been religiously following her recommendations.

And after three years I end up with a pH of 7.7, which is too alkaline, and

I have high levels of staphylococcus, and Klebsiella pneumoniae, Pseudomonas

aeruginosa and candida that are too high. I do at least have a healthy

amount of beneficial bacteria, but even that isn't enough to counteract the

pH and pathogens. So I don't think FOS is enough. Somehow I'm missing

something.

I looked into the Scdiet, which avoids many kinds of carbohydrates,

including FOS, but I have so many food allergies that I can't eat a balanced

diet on it.

lindaj@...

Re: fibromyalgia program, part one

>

> The pH object is to raise tissue and lymph pH. (intracellular and

> extracellular)

>

> When you raise tissue pH you are not raising bowel pH, which should

> remain acid. To keep bowel pH acid, you would feed the beneficial

> bacteria long chain sugars (oligosachharides, FOS)such as Chicory or

> Dahlia Inulin. This will aid minearl absorption and control

> pathogenic bacteial proliferation.

>

> The blood will maintain its correct levels easily.

>

>

> ciao

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

> > > On the alkalinized water, I agree with its benefits. Alk water

> has

> > > profound positive health effects across the board. As pH rises in

> the

> > > body, disease disappears because more oxygen is transported, cells

> > > can detoxify, and DNA repair can kick back in again.

> >

> > This is an issue that I am confused about. When pH in the body

> rises, that

> > implies more alkaline, right? But I have been told that when the

> colon

> > becomes more alkaline, it becomes more toxic. And likewise, when

> the blood

> > becomes too alkaline, it looses its ability to transport oxygen

> effectively.

> > At least that's what I've read. I've been struggling to try to

> correct these

> > two things in my own body, and I have concerns about increasing the

> > alkalinity of either any further. From what I understand, the body

> will try

> > to maintain an alkaline blood to compensate for over acidity in the

> cells.

> > So by more alkaline, what specific part of the body are you

> referring to?

> > And how do you get the alkalinity from the water through the blood

> and into

> > the cells without also disrupting the acid/alkaline balance of the

> > intestines and blood? Or are you assuming that most people's

> intestines are

> > too acidic and their blood too acidic? From my understanding, PWC's

> are too

> > alkaline.

> >

> >

> > lindaj@h...

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Except that alkalinized water made this way is also full of hydrogen

ions, which have tremendous benefit. So even if you don't want to

alkalize, you'll still want the hydrogen.

ciao

Duncan

> In a message dated 3/14/02 4:32:55 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> jrobinso@p... writes:

>

> > It is true that body pH is very important, but " alkalinized

water " is not

> > going to help IMHO. pH is only one aspect of acid-alkalinity,

the buffer

> > size is the other. Even if you swallow alkaline water (say, pH =

10) it

> > will be completely - COMPLETELY - overwhelmed by stomach acidity

and what

> > goes out of the stomach will be unaffected pH-wise by the type

of water

> > that you drank. The body's pH in blood and gastro-intestinal

system is

> > determined by things other than the pH of water intake.

> >

> > JULIAN

> I don't know a lot of science, but I sure am not gonna take the

word of

> someone who starts out here by trying to huckster us. It all

sounded kind of

> fishy to me as I read it. I didn't see one word about what it had

done to

> help his illness :=)

> Adrienne