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Hi!

A year has passed since I began working full time and thought I would do

a summation for anyone that is interested. I also monitor

and CFSHerbsNutri , so

this message will be repeated three times.

I am still working full time and have started to add more social

activities to my life. I still have to take supplements, although not

as regularly as before. I sometimes need a power nap at supper and still

have problems with concentrating when I get tired, but the brain fog,

where I couldn't concentrate at all, is gone. I also have problems with

temperature control if I am immobile for a while. My sense of humor and

general enjoyment of life is back. I also work on creative projects

which I enjoy very much.

In retrospect, I started developing chronic fatigue symptoms in 1990,

was housebound in 1997, and since I didn't have a medical practitioner

that was interested in CFS, decided to concentrate on supplements. I

felt I was well enough to return to work in spring of 1999. At that

time, I also found an alternative health practitioner who uses muscle

testing in his holistic practice. From that time on, I no longer had to

rely on a 'hit and miss' approach regarding supplements and could

concentrate on rebuilding my health.

To get out of the CFS rut, I used:

Valerian and Melatonin - to re-regulate sleep pattern

Magnesium and Malic Acid - to correct a magnesium deficiency

Glutamine Powder - 1/4 tsp, again for a deficiency

Anti-oxidants:

Vitamin C with zinc - (averaging 4 grams a day, max 20 grams, max 50 mg

zinc)

Vitamin E with selenium (up to 1600 I.U.. a day, 50 mcg selenium)

Bilberry - anti-oxidant, especially good for the eyes

Halibut Liver Oil

Salmon Oil (for EPA's, but no longer take it, due to concern about

mercury contamination)

General Health:

Vitex Agnus Castus (Chastetree or Chasteberry Tincture) to reduce

prolactins

Digestive Enzymes (Bromelain) - for stiffness in legs

Milk Thistle Tincture - for liver

Hawthorn Tincture - for heart

Astragalus Tincture - cancer prevention

Methylcobalamin - B12 deficiency (no longer required - deficiency did

not return)

Bancha Twig Tea with soya salt - for adrenals

Chinese Supplements (taken in the order listed, one after another over a

period of 2 years)

Bu Nao Wan - for edginess, restlessness, not to be taken for more than 3

months.

Jian Pi Wan - for spleen

Gui (Kwei) Pi Wan - for spleen and blood

Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan (new) - for kidneys, spleen, blood, overall energizer

New Supplements

Pascossan by Pascoe - an extensive tissue salt chewable tablet, taken

sporadically by me

Horse Chestnut Tincture - improve blood vessel strength (take faithfully

- very effective)

Foods I avoid, but haven't eliminated completely:

wheat, beef, eggs no more than twice a week

Foods I make sure I eat:

blueberries, strawberries, fish, salmon, tomato sauces, salt with sesame

seeds, butter

Post CFS Supplement Routine: At present, I take the following every

second day approx:

Chasteberry Tonic, Vitamin C and zinc, Vitamin E and Selenium, Magnesium

and Malic Acid, Horse Chestnut Tincture, Milk Thistle Tincture,

Digestive Enzymes (lots every day),

Halibut Liver Oil, Tissue Salts, Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan (3 times a day),

Bancha Twig tea (once a week)

General Comment:

I think we should call our symptoms, Toxic Overload Condition (TOC). In

my case, when I reduced the free radicals (toxins) in my system, my

health improved. I think we become overloaded with toxins (in my case

pesticides, I think) and they break through the brain blood barrier and

all hell breaks loose. I think the toxins can come from a variety of

sources, but the path of destruction they follow in the body seems to

follow a pattern and our differences are a result of the stage where we

are at, rather than different subsets.

I would like to thank everyone for sharing what works and what doesn't,

I learnt a lot and am healthier for it.

Best Wishes for 2002,

Merle

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Merele is this what the doc that did the muscle

testing put you on? what kind of doc does that?

i just saw a guy that owns this nutrtion store he put

me on some products on sat do any these sound like

they could help me i also am very sensitive to lots of

vitamins and he was the only on e that told me why he

said because of the leuky gut and stuff anyways im

taking opc3 oligomeric proanthocyanidins he put me on

something called roberts formula which on bottle it

says do not use with autoiimine illness is this and

autoimune? conezymeQ10 cider vinegar b complex enzymes

lacttibcillus and this powder called complete

cleansing and anti toxin system. now my biochemist in

nj that i worked with on the phone says i have a

severe case of hypoglcemia is that part of this he had

me on some products by thorne called sf722 to kill

yeast i felt depressed and suicidal on it why is that

so then he had me call my md and see if she would give

me diflucan for a month my symptoms are worse pain

and my skin feels itchy inside to and fatigue is worse

is this normal im not sure what to do does the guy at

the health stor sounds like he nos what hes doing?

--- Merle <peerent@...> wrote:

> Hi!

>

> A year has passed since I began working full time

> and thought I would do

> a summation for anyone that is interested. I also

> monitor

> and

> CFSHerbsNutri , so

> this message will be repeated three times.

>

> I am still working full time and have started to add

> more social

> activities to my life. I still have to take

> supplements, although not

> as regularly as before. I sometimes need a power nap

> at supper and still

> have problems with concentrating when I get tired,

> but the brain fog,

> where I couldn't concentrate at all, is gone. I also

> have problems with

> temperature control if I am immobile for a while. My

> sense of humor and

> general enjoyment of life is back. I also work on

> creative projects

> which I enjoy very much.

>

> In retrospect, I started developing chronic fatigue

> symptoms in 1990,

> was housebound in 1997, and since I didn't have a

> medical practitioner

> that was interested in CFS, decided to concentrate

> on supplements. I

> felt I was well enough to return to work in spring

> of 1999. At that

> time, I also found an alternative health

> practitioner who uses muscle

> testing in his holistic practice. From that time on,

> I no longer had to

> rely on a 'hit and miss' approach regarding

> supplements and could

> concentrate on rebuilding my health.

>

> To get out of the CFS rut, I used:

>

> Valerian and Melatonin - to re-regulate sleep

> pattern

> Magnesium and Malic Acid - to correct a magnesium

> deficiency

> Glutamine Powder - 1/4 tsp, again for a deficiency

>

> Anti-oxidants:

> Vitamin C with zinc - (averaging 4 grams a day, max

> 20 grams, max 50 mg

> zinc)

> Vitamin E with selenium (up to 1600 I.U.. a day, 50

> mcg selenium)

> Bilberry - anti-oxidant, especially good for the

> eyes

> Halibut Liver Oil

> Salmon Oil (for EPA's, but no longer take it, due to

> concern about

> mercury contamination)

>

> General Health:

> Vitex Agnus Castus (Chastetree or Chasteberry

> Tincture) to reduce

> prolactins

> Digestive Enzymes (Bromelain) - for stiffness in

> legs

> Milk Thistle Tincture - for liver

> Hawthorn Tincture - for heart

> Astragalus Tincture - cancer prevention

> Methylcobalamin - B12 deficiency (no longer required

> - deficiency did

> not return)

> Bancha Twig Tea with soya salt - for adrenals

>

> Chinese Supplements (taken in the order listed, one

> after another over a

> period of 2 years)

> Bu Nao Wan - for edginess, restlessness, not to be

> taken for more than 3

> months.

> Jian Pi Wan - for spleen

> Gui (Kwei) Pi Wan - for spleen and blood

> Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan (new) - for kidneys, spleen,

> blood, overall energizer

>

> New Supplements

> Pascossan by Pascoe - an extensive tissue salt

> chewable tablet, taken

> sporadically by me

> Horse Chestnut Tincture - improve blood vessel

> strength (take faithfully

> - very effective)

>

> Foods I avoid, but haven't eliminated completely:

> wheat, beef, eggs no more than twice a week

>

> Foods I make sure I eat:

> blueberries, strawberries, fish, salmon, tomato

> sauces, salt with sesame

> seeds, butter

>

> Post CFS Supplement Routine: At present, I take the

> following every

> second day approx:

>

> Chasteberry Tonic, Vitamin C and zinc, Vitamin E and

> Selenium, Magnesium

> and Malic Acid, Horse Chestnut Tincture, Milk

> Thistle Tincture,

> Digestive Enzymes (lots every day),

> Halibut Liver Oil, Tissue Salts, Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan

> (3 times a day),

> Bancha Twig tea (once a week)

>

> General Comment:

> I think we should call our symptoms, Toxic Overload

> Condition (TOC). In

> my case, when I reduced the free radicals (toxins)

> in my system, my

> health improved. I think we become overloaded with

> toxins (in my case

> pesticides, I think) and they break through the

> brain blood barrier and

> all hell breaks loose. I think the toxins can come

> from a variety of

> sources, but the path of destruction they follow in

> the body seems to

> follow a pattern and our differences are a result of

> the stage where we

> are at, rather than different subsets.

>

> I would like to thank everyone for sharing what

> works and what doesn't,

> I learnt a lot and am healthier for it.

>

> Best Wishes for 2002,

> Merle

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

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Merle, thanks for the update. Let me ask a question. Did you ever

lose weight from 1997 (bedbound) to the present? The reason I ask is

that since toxins are stored more in fat, I have a (weak) theory that

the less body fat one has, the better that one might feel. TIA.

Mike

> Hi!

>

> A year has passed since I began working full time and thought I

would do

> a summation for anyone that is interested. I also monitor

> @y... and CFSHerbsNutri@y..., so

> this message will be repeated three times.

>

> I am still working full time and have started to add more social

> activities to my life. I still have to take supplements, although

not

> as regularly as before. I sometimes need a power nap at supper and

still

> have problems with concentrating when I get tired, but the brain

fog,

> where I couldn't concentrate at all, is gone. I also have problems

with

> temperature control if I am immobile for a while. My sense of humor

and

> general enjoyment of life is back. I also work on creative projects

> which I enjoy very much.

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