Re: Hydrocortisone, cortisol, DHEA - energy, mood, motivation, orthostatic 'tolerance'

[Guest guest]

Hud,

Yes! I measure low for DHEA, so I took DHEA supplement. I became totally

and uncomfortably wired, angry, irritable, jittery, anxious, tight. Out of

control -- awful. I only lasted 2 days and had to stop.

I've never tried hydrocortisone and since it doesn't appear on my chart

showing metabolic pathways I don't know where it fits into the scheme.

I haven't followed up my inability to take DHEA but it may have something

to do with the fact that my testosterone is high and yet DHEA is a

precursor to testosterone.

DHEA---->testosterone, DHEA is low yet testosterone is high. Obviously

there are other pathways and/or my main pathway is not working. IF anyone

can shed any light I'd be interested.

n

At 20:06 05/08/01, you wrote:

>Here a Q: for anyone else out there whose tried HC: Did the HC at any point

>provoke restlessness, agitation and even akithisia? Anyone find themself

>becoming hypomanic/manic/acutely wired from even small doses of HC? How

>about extreme irritability, dysphoria, anhedonia and stimulant-like

>task-orientedness?

>

>Also, same questions for DHEA. Anyone out there get any of the above Sx

>from taking DHEA, by chance?

[Guest guest]

n

I understand that there is a supplement called 7-KETO that is

supposed to get around the problem with testosterone increase with

DHEA.

I just had my levels tested and I, too, am low. Haven't taken DHEA

in over 5 years but am pretty desperate at this point so may try it

again as at lest now I know what my level is.

MJH

> >Here a Q: for anyone else out there whose tried HC: Did the HC at

any point

> >provoke restlessness, agitation and even akithisia? Anyone find

themself

> >becoming hypomanic/manic/acutely wired from even small doses of

HC? How

> >about extreme irritability, dysphoria, anhedonia and stimulant-like

> >task-orientedness?

> >

> >Also, same questions for DHEA. Anyone out there get any of the

above Sx

> >from taking DHEA, by chance?

[Guest guest]

Hi n,

Did you have ASI test and do you know the cortisol levels you have?

It could be that your adrenals are over active and they depleted your stored

DHEA.May be what you need is to slow down your adrenals rather than taking

DHEA.As long as your Adrenals are over active they will use up all the DHEA

and you will still have low DHEA levels. I am not a doctor,I am just brain

storming.

Why don't you find a specialized

doctor on the subject and let him to evaluate the results and prescribe you

supplements.

Take care..

Re: Hydrocortisone, cortisol, DHEA - energy,

mood, motivation, orthostatic 'tolerance'

> Hud,

>

> Yes! I measure low for DHEA, so I took DHEA supplement. I became totally

> and uncomfortably wired, angry, irritable, jittery, anxious, tight. Out

of

> control -- awful. I only lasted 2 days and had to stop.

>

> I've never tried hydrocortisone and since it doesn't appear on my chart

> showing metabolic pathways I don't know where it fits into the scheme.

>

> I haven't followed up my inability to take DHEA but it may have something

> to do with the fact that my testosterone is high and yet DHEA is a

> precursor to testosterone.

>

> DHEA---->testosterone, DHEA is low yet testosterone is high. Obviously

> there are other pathways and/or my main pathway is not working. IF anyone

> can shed any light I'd be interested.

>

> n

>

> At 20:06 05/08/01, you wrote:

> >Here a Q: for anyone else out there whose tried HC: Did the HC at any

point

> >provoke restlessness, agitation and even akithisia? Anyone find themself

> >becoming hypomanic/manic/acutely wired from even small doses of HC? How

> >about extreme irritability, dysphoria, anhedonia and stimulant-like

> >task-orientedness?

> >

> >Also, same questions for DHEA. Anyone out there get any of the above Sx

> >from taking DHEA, by chance?

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

You may ask to your naturopath if you can use Pregnenolone. It is precursor

of DHEA and sometimes prefered to DHEA or 7 Keto for women.

Take care..

Nil

Re: Hydrocortisone, cortisol, DHEA - energy,

mood, motivation, orthostatic 'tolerance'

> n

> I understand that there is a supplement called 7-KETO that is

> supposed to get around the problem with testosterone increase with

> DHEA.

> I just had my levels tested and I, too, am low. Haven't taken DHEA

> in over 5 years but am pretty desperate at this point so may try it

> again as at lest now I know what my level is.

> MJH

>

>

> > >Here a Q: for anyone else out there whose tried HC: Did the HC at

> any point

> > >provoke restlessness, agitation and even akithisia? Anyone find

> themself

> > >becoming hypomanic/manic/acutely wired from even small doses of

> HC? How

> > >about extreme irritability, dysphoria, anhedonia and stimulant-like

> > >task-orientedness?

> > >

> > >Also, same questions for DHEA. Anyone out there get any of the

> above Sx

> > >from taking DHEA, by chance?

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

n,

Have you checked this site.

Very good info on DHEA

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-041d.shtml

Take care..

Re: Hydrocortisone, cortisol, DHEA - energy,

mood, motivation, orthostatic 'tolerance'

> Hud,

>

> Yes! I measure low for DHEA, so I took DHEA supplement. I became totally

> and uncomfortably wired, angry, irritable, jittery, anxious, tight. Out

of

> control -- awful. I only lasted 2 days and had to stop.

>

> I've never tried hydrocortisone and since it doesn't appear on my chart

> showing metabolic pathways I don't know where it fits into the scheme.

>

> I haven't followed up my inability to take DHEA but it may have something

> to do with the fact that my testosterone is high and yet DHEA is a

> precursor to testosterone.

>

> DHEA---->testosterone, DHEA is low yet testosterone is high. Obviously

> there are other pathways and/or my main pathway is not working. IF anyone

> can shed any light I'd be interested.

>

> n

>

> At 20:06 05/08/01, you wrote:

> >Here a Q: for anyone else out there whose tried HC: Did the HC at any

point

> >provoke restlessness, agitation and even akithisia? Anyone find themself

> >becoming hypomanic/manic/acutely wired from even small doses of HC? How

> >about extreme irritability, dysphoria, anhedonia and stimulant-like

> >task-orientedness?

> >

> >Also, same questions for DHEA. Anyone out there get any of the above Sx

> >from taking DHEA, by chance?

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi n and all -

my doc first started me on 5 mg. Dehydrone-5 from Thorne (available at

NEEDS) along with time released pregnenolone which should also help raise

your hormone levels. He recently switched me to 25 mg. 7-Keto DHEA to avoid

unwanted acne and hair growth from increased androgen levels. I'm pretty

sensitive to stuff like this but have never experienced the symptoms you're

having. Perhaps your doses have been too high or another kind would work

better for you.

Judith

> Yes! I measure low for DHEA, so I took DHEA supplement. I became totally

> and uncomfortably wired, angry, irritable, jittery, anxious, tight. Out

of

> control -- awful. I only lasted 2 days and had to stop.

>

> I've never tried hydrocortisone and since it doesn't appear on my chart

> showing metabolic pathways I don't know where it fits into the scheme.

>

> I haven't followed up my inability to take DHEA but it may have something

> to do with the fact that my testosterone is high and yet DHEA is a

> precursor to testosterone.

>

> DHEA---->testosterone, DHEA is low yet testosterone is high. Obviously

> there are other pathways and/or my main pathway is not working. IF anyone

> can shed any light I'd be interested.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks MJH, NIl and Judith for the interesting replies.

I have never even heard of 7-Keto - can someone either enlighten me or

point me to a source of info? Is it another form of DHEA or a whole now

hormone?

re the LEF site on DHEA - this is exactly what I was looking at yesterday

that reminded me of my intolerance to DHEA. I just can't handle it at the

moment in any form. But I figure I should do some more work on this so

will start now.

Cheers,

n

At 07:08 06/08/01, you wrote:

>hi n and all -

>

>my doc first started me on 5 mg. Dehydrone-5 from Thorne (available at

>NEEDS) along with time released pregnenolone which should also help raise

>your hormone levels. He recently switched me to 25 mg. 7-Keto DHEA to avoid

>unwanted acne and hair growth from increased androgen levels. I'm pretty

>sensitive to stuff like this but have never experienced the symptoms you're

>having. Perhaps your doses have been too high or another kind would work

>better for you.

>

>Judith

>

> > Yes! I measure low for DHEA, so I took DHEA supplement. I became totally

> > and uncomfortably wired, angry, irritable, jittery, anxious, tight. Out

>of

> > control -- awful. I only lasted 2 days and had to stop.

> >

> > I've never tried hydrocortisone and since it doesn't appear on my chart

> > showing metabolic pathways I don't know where it fits into the scheme.

> >

> > I haven't followed up my inability to take DHEA but it may have something

> > to do with the fact that my testosterone is high and yet DHEA is a

> > precursor to testosterone.

> >

> > DHEA---->testosterone, DHEA is low yet testosterone is high. Obviously

> > there are other pathways and/or my main pathway is not working. IF anyone

> > can shed any light I'd be interested.

> >

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a repeat of an earlier question to which I didn't get a response...

>I have never even heard of 7-Keto - can someone either enlighten me or

>point me to a source of info? Is it another form of DHEA or a whole now

>hormone?

Anyone?

n

[Guest guest]

It is I think another form of DHEA. Do not know much about the source. Why

don't you make a search at net.You can find good info.

Take care..

Nil

Re: Hydrocortisone, cortisol, DHEA - energy,

mood, motivation, orthostatic 'tolerance'

> This is a repeat of an earlier question to which I didn't get a

response...

>

> >I have never even heard of 7-Keto - can someone either enlighten me or

> >point me to a source of info? Is it another form of DHEA or a whole now

> >hormone?

>

> Anyone?

>

> n

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>