Re: For Doris

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Doris Brown wrote:

An interesting test for you would be the Great Smokies

Comprehensive Detox Panel, and it's only about $150.

Annette's reply: Hi Doris. I have quite a long list of

tests that I would really love to take. However, my

funds are non-existent and financial situation very

dire indeed. Thanks for the reply. It's nice of

people to take the time to share ideas/experiences.

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Doris wrote:

Whether it's that or some kind of allergy, you should

try NAC which may make you feel better, or if the

theory above is correct, will also make you feel sick.

Annete's reply: Sorry, I forgot to reply to this half

of your message. I have been taking NAC 600mg per day

for about 6 weeks now. I think that it may make me a

little jittery but otherwise noticed no other

reactions - good or bad.

How do you think that fits in with the rest of the

scenario? I am also taking Lipoic Acid - 60mg.

When you say " sick " do you mean more " flu-like "

symptoms or nausea.

Thanks for your help, Doris!

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You said you did the protocols when you moved to the hotel. What did you do? You also mentioned the scalp sensations were the last to go. How did you know when it was mites and when it was just a sensation? I dont feel any crawling anywhere. I just have some scalp itching and a burning sensation on my upper back. I'm not sure what to make of it. Thanks

From: Doris Kennedy <kean2465@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:36 PMSubject: Re: Re:For Elissa

Yes, sometimes, and this was another reason I knew I could not escape if I remained in the environment, after all, I was the chosen host and they would find me quickly no matter if I had clean clothes on or not, if my shoes were infested or my coat, I couldn't win by keeping my shirt and pants free of mites.

That's why I decided to move, I could'nt escape them.

From: Elissa <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:42 AMSubject: Re: Re:Kajay, this too will pass-don't despair 2 much.

Doris and Kajay...

I sent my laundry out last week and even gave them my detergent (powdered a & h). Asked to wash and dry hot.

Came back and had crawlies whenever I used/wore anything. Maybe they didn't dry it long enough?

I had to do it all over.

Going to the laundromat DIY is such a hassle.

Has this ever happened to you?

On Dec 10, 2011 2:48 AM, "Kajay109" <kajay109@...> wrote:

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Actually, Doris, I appreciate your sweet note but it was and not me expressing those feelings.

I'm fine. Herxing like crazy, and finding it tough to sleep but grateful to have them LEAVING my body at last and so I don't mind. I am finally getting well, I feel it as pain when the critters are dying off in various parts of my body, non-recurring pain. For example, I never have migraines but a couple weekends ago had severe local pain in the back of my head for five minutes. It passed. Two hours later, same thing, different part of my head. Again, gone in a few minutes. It happened once more the same way, and hasn't happened since. Sometimes I will feel like a tiny fist punched me really hard in one place or another on my body, then that pain will pass also. I've already been through the lungs stage. Thought I had pneumonia. Before that happened, I had to take a sinus tab every night to reduce dripping. Now, no problem. It is a slow process. They are apparently everywhere in my body.

And by the way, I have looked at thousands of samples that I have taken from my body, but it is not proper identification of the organism that is getting me better, though I once thought that was the most likely way. It is mixing Gordon's F-Zymes with Interfase Plus and with the Spring Valley probiotic digestive enzymes. They share some ingredients but each brings something unique to the mix.

I'm attaching the label from Gordon's F-6 Restore. I am testing F-8 (two formulas later, but this is the only ingredients label I have). F-8 is much stronger than the product described on the attached label, but this will give you an idea of what it is, anyway.

kajay

From: Doris Kennedy <kean2465@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 6:14 PMSubject: Re: Re:Kajay, this too will pass-don't despair 2 much.

Kajay- yes we all understand the desperation and feeling of great loss and OMG 'What is happening to me?'

Many times in the night I would just wake up and situp in my bed for the longest time barely moving-totally exhausted- wondering what in God was happening to me. I cancelled last Christmas as well, threw out everything - bites and sensations continuing - ongoing battle - spending more and more on remedies - no one understood... immune system not able to protect. tired....no more money...no where to go....

But as devastating as it was, believe me, Kajay, this too will pass. You will come to a final decision - it may be something like others did to beat it, for me it was finally moving more than once.

With these holidays, I can't help but remember the horror of Thanksgiving and Christmas for me in 2010. On Christmas Eve, there was no where to go in my apartment that was safe from bites. No matter what I did, they would find me during certain days. I'll never understand it. But that Christmas Eve 2010 I slept all night in the bathtub, not much real sleep, just feeling sorry for myself.

I truly feel I barely made it out alive in the end. Now I sit in a small hotel room with no belongings, but my health is back which is the best Christmas gift ever.

So don't despair too much, just keep working on it and don't give up - look ahead to the day when it's all over.

From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 11:51 AMSubject: Re: Re:Yes, Kajay cheap and easy works best.

Its an awful awful thing this,takin away peoples comfortsI just had spray boots insecticideFelt crawling all up tights n bite toes when outCant cope with thisBeen six monthsHow can folk live like this?Christmas is well n truly canceled for me this yearSo unhapy wi thisJust threw out all my booksClothes to followUnbelievable thisStrips the joy away:-(On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 17:34 GMT Doris Kennedy wrote:>I agree, Kajay. I always had to go to the laundromat anyway, even b4 mites, so the expense became enormous - sending laundry out was cheaper expecially disposable sheets which I changed amost every day and the disposable cups and plates helped to relieve the tremendous daily cleaning rituals.> >And now that I live in a little hotel room, I live in the simplest manner.> >>________________________________> From: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>>"bird mites " <bird mites > >Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 8:03 AM>Subject: Re: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed> >> > > >No. I wash with Arm & Hammer - a little ammonia in the wash and a lot in the rinse cycle and I let that sit for a while - 30 min or overnight, doesn't matter. Dry 2 hrs except sleepwear 4 hrs. > >Clothes I wear "out" - that is to work and social outings - I get dry-cleaned. Our cleaner uses the scent

free chemicals and they kill everything. > >I sat down one day years ago and calculated the cost of laundering vs dry cleaning in time and money. Dry cleaning is cheaper and really increases the sanity level! I did the same kind of calculation when I was considering buying disposable sheets, and again when I was comparing the cost of disposable plates and bowls vs washing real dishes in the dishwasher. The easier solution in each case proved also to be the cheapest when I calculated all direct and indirect costs. In each case, needless to say, I was grateful at the outcome! > >kajay > > >>________________________________>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>>bird mites >Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 3:33 AM>Subject: Re: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed>>> >Thanks for helpful advice kajay>Do u steam iron too?>C>On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 02:14 GMT Kajay109 wrote:>>>I love me some monster zip-locs! Great advice! They tend to be thicker than the smaller ones. My staples are the Jumbo hefty bags though (slide-locks). I put my clothes straight in those when I take them off. Nothing ever goes into a bin unbagged. They don't come out till it is wash or dry cleaning time. Also, I keep the bags dusted with Arm and Hammer (dry) so that they do not themselves become contaminants. I have recycled and recycled those things. When I empty them, I fold them in half, press out the air, and slide the lock closed. They stack better that

way.>> >>When I remove clothes from the dryer, I put them into plastic bins that sit on plastic bins. I use the bottom ones for long-term storage (lots of menthol around the edges) and to get the daily use ones off the floor (just a touch of menthol). I put> the clean clothes into new garbage bags and put the garbage bags into the bins. I don't have to seal the garbage bags. I do tape up the vent holes on the bins though. Helps.>> >>kajay>> >>>>________________________________>> From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>>bird mites >>Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:19 PM>>Subject: Re: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed>> >>>> >> >> >>Some people have slept on air beds> for some time. I know Bill did and so did we for about a year. Some day there must be books written on all of our experiences. I know that Kajay has put together quite a lot of information. Bill includes scripture with his email here. So at the end there is usually something there. If you have kept any of his posts, check it out. >>>>If the plastic boxes are air tight, it probably is safe, but if not air tight, it would be best to keep them somewhere outside of the apartment. You can also get huge plastic sealable bags which is

what I used too. It is also possible to put duct tape around a seal if you think you won't be opening the plastic box for a long time.>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>From: "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...>>>bird mites >>Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 3:07:10 PM>>Subject: Re: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed>>>>Thank you linda>>I apreciate all that advice!:-)>>Will look into steam press but need money esential like bed justnow>>Sorry ur health not great either though im so glad u not got

mites now!>>Think it very kind that u stay on here to help people wi ur experience as it is quite mind boggling isnt it!>>Is it safe to store plastic boxes with things that could be vulnerable in the same flat,the new one?>>Yes,you are correct about the spirit i must pray n ask for guidance much more.>>Where are bills scriptures?>>I like when bill says> god bless>>Really like to think god is blessing me and all of us.>>Especially when things get too much n quite scarey!>>Im hopin a friend will help me move!!>>C>>On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 19:47 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:>>>>>Can you get plastic boxes and put some of those things away for a year or two? Start treating internally, as well as externally.

Later you can put out ornaments. My house was very bare for quite some time. >>>>>> >>>>>>>more >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[1] Reply >>>>>>>[2] Reply All >>>>>>>[3] Forward >>>>>>>[4] Delete >>>>>>>[6] Report as Spam >>>>>>>[5] Move >>>>>>>[9] Next Message >>>>>>>[7] Previous Message

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the buggers out with a deadly dessicant like BP. this is similar to the principal of sulfur combined with oils which drive them out for air, where they then meet their demise via the hands of an effective drying agent. I like the speedy, one-two punch approach these topicals afford. No point in dragging this crap out any longer than necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Can't believe how long it's been since I've had time to reply..taking care>of my son and all of these rituals to keep the> mites from biting leave me>with no spare second!>>Thanks again for your

replies.>>I started washing everything in Arm & hammer powdered free & clear>detergent...i have baking soda sprinkled around the floor around the bed>and under the legs of the bed frame. I have to keep the bed against the>wall since my son sleeps in my bed. This whole thing started when he was>only 10 months; the bites, living in a hotel and then with my in-laws for>2 months w/o my husband. Once we moved back, he gets hysterical when his>dad leaves for work...it was such a traumatic experience. I don't have the>heart to move him to a crib.>>Baking soda is also sprinkled around the floor where the wall meets it in>the bedroom. I spray the walls and mattress/pillowcases down with lysol>and slightly >>>>>diluted >>>>>>> alcohol everyday. I have mattress and pillow bed bug>covers> on...>>It seems the bites I get from the environment happen when I wake

in the>night to give my son a bottle or change his diaper. Like they are waiting>on the floor for me...>>I wash linens and clothes after one use and vacuum/ mop with lysol and pine>sol about 3-4 days a week.>>We shower twice a day. Bathe my son once everyday. We scrub our bodies we>epsoms and selsun blue menthol.>>So...i finally got into my dermatologist and he told me that the mites are>in my skin. I must be re-infecting everything from my body? He have me>permethrin cream(sp)...i am going to try it with my husband tonight. What>if my son has mites in his skin? The dr. said it is not necessary to use>on him. Will he re-infect us?>>Has permethrin worked for anyone?>>I finally saw them crawl out of my skin, too!!!!! I used selsun menthol>and left it on in the shower for a while...when I got out I sprayed >>>>>>myself>with >>>>>>> alcohol and saw

them crawl out! And then crawl back in >>My husband then came in and poured oil on after I sprayed my skin and>killed some...he is a scientist and it blew his mind!!7>>I definitely think I have lyme and bart...i can now make sense of symptoms>from 12 + years ago. I was referred to a neurologist for leg numbness that>started 2+years ago. Just had the testing done last week.>>Also saw a functional med dr. who did some bloodwork and put me on a liver>detox and 10 supplements. I.also went to a lyme seminar from a local>herbalist. He has lyme ( so does his wife) and sees many other lyme>patients. I think he can probably help.>>I will ask my dr. for a lyme test at my next visit.>>Help!! How do I get these suckers out of me??????>>Thanks for reading this rant!>>E>>>>>> Hi Elissa>>>> And> welcome to this forum. I did buy a dehumidifier and it helped to>some

degree.....>>>> From: "Elissa " <elissarachel@...>>> >>>>>>> bird mites >> Sent: Thursday...>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> END OF REPASTED POST , >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>bye , >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bill >>>>>>>(Let me know how t work & any other tips you learn, .... please ) >>>>>> >>>>>>

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