Re: APPLE CIDER VINEGAR - Good or Bad?

[Guest guest]

I finally got some ACV a couple weeks ago after reading about it on

this list. Yeast is not one of my problems.

I'm doing a low-tech approach: I take 1 Tbsp with some honey whenever

I have heartburn (1-2x/day) and usually at bedtime, since lying

flat can get the burn going. One night I just swigged from the bottle

(no honey) - my tummy was not pleased. So the honey must help somehow.

This eliminates my extreme heartburn in about 5 seconds - for hours.

It tastes pretty bad, but I chase it with water, then enjoy the

pleasant after-taste....

I'm guessing in a normal system this additional acid would promote

unwanted happenings - but this is just replacing the acid our

stomachs are supposed to produce but don't.

-Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Apple Cider Vinegar is an old weight loss remedy. You are supposed to take it

1/2 hour before you eat.

It is available in tablets and capsules, which helps with taking it. Also

reasonable, around $5.00 Cdn.

Merle

>

> flat can get the burn going. One night I just swigged from the bottle

> (no honey) - my tummy was not pleased. So the honey must help somehow.

>

> This eliminates my extreme heartburn in about 5 seconds - for hours.

> It tastes pretty bad, but I chase it with water, then enjoy the

> pleasant after-taste....

>

> I'm guessing in a normal system this additional acid would promote

> unwanted happenings - but this is just replacing the acid our

> stomachs are supposed to produce but don't.

>

> -Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure that we can assume we are low on acid in our guts. Unless

there's something new about this since I was up on it I was told by a

very gut-smart doc of CFS that there is considerable variability, and

even from the upper gut to the lower. I once had a test (forget its

name--good name!) where you have to swallow a capsule attached to a

string and let it go through the gut (it took a long time) and they then

pull it out and it supposedly told the doc which part of my gut was

acidic and which part not, and in me there was enough variation between

upper and lower to require an approach if I wanted to treat it , which

could distinguish.

I don't know enuf (hardly a thing!) about gut acidity control but my

" gut " (sorry) instinct is that ACV will affect upper and lower.

Between that and the concern of many of us re vinegar being bad (as a

fermented product) for candidiasis, I've long been unwilling to use it,

even though I love home remedies (as a response to the arrogance of

expensive high-tech medicine).

I think we should be careful not to assume something old-fashioned and

natural is okay and that we are all similar in what our guts need re

acidity.

Opinion, not my experience with ACV or reading studies.

Judith W

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:16:14 -0000 " Lynn " <lkpumpkin@...> writes:

I finally got some ACV a couple weeks ago after reading about it on

this list. Yeast is not one of my problems.

I'm doing a low-tech approach: I take 1 Tbsp with some honey whenever

I have heartburn (1-2x/day) and usually at bedtime, since lying

flat can get the burn going. One night I just swigged from the bottle

(no honey) - my tummy was not pleased. So the honey must help somehow.

This eliminates my extreme heartburn in about 5 seconds - for hours.

It tastes pretty bad, but I chase it with water, then enjoy the

pleasant after-taste....

I'm guessing in a normal system this additional acid would promote

unwanted happenings - but this is just replacing the acid our

stomachs are supposed to produce but don't.

-Lynn

[Guest guest]

I am also trying to heal my gut & restore the pH balance of the gut &

stomach. I tried some organic raw apple cider vinegar in a glass of water &

immediately had a blister form on my wrist.

Obviously it is not good for me. I was concerned about using it because of

my Systemic Candida.

So even though I had hoped it would be an easy & inexpensive natural remedy,

I am still searching for the answers.

I a starting to use Jaroow TH1 probilogic & the lemon/olive oil drink.

Though I do not think I can handle lemons every day.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Merle. I'll try it.

Thanks, Judith. You're right. I read somewhere (I thought on this

list) that systemic alkalinity is a problem for some of us - not

enough stomach acid. Since I have don't have candida/yeast troubles,

I tried the ACV to see if it would help, and it worked for me. I can

see how it would be *Bad* stuff for a body dealing with yeast/fungus

or excess acid. I don't want to be causing anybody grief - we all got

plenty of that already.

-Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi! Lynn

Let us know if you notice a difference in digesting your food. That's where

apple cider vinegar helps me, it reduces bloating.

A Doctor who has CFS himself, does PH tests on saliva, blood and urine. He told

me that all the CFS patients he has looked at show an acidic urine. It could be

a very quick marker for CFS if there

aren't a whole lot of other illnesses that result in an acidic urine.

I understand that saliva is alkaline, stomach acidic and small intestine is

alkaline again. So, I think the right PH throughout the body is very important.

I did get my urine to a PH balance of 7,

which is neutral, but never higher.

He also told me that when the body starts to do its final breakdown, the urine

turns alkaline. So, if it is any consolation, we aren't breaking down, just shut

down.

Merle

Lynn wrote:

[Guest guest]

Hello, Merle:

When you get a chance, could you ask your doc about the large intestine's pH,

and which the blood most closely is supposed to correspond to, if any section in

particular. So far, your string of

stuff makes the most sense. I have acidic saliva and urine, which is opposite

of what they're supposed to be.

- CDN

Merle Peer wrote:

> Hi! Lynn

>

> Let us know if you notice a difference in digesting your food. That's where

apple cider vinegar helps me, it reduces bloating.

>

> A Doctor who has CFS himself, does PH tests on saliva, blood and urine. He

told me that all the CFS patients he has looked at show an acidic urine. It

could be a very quick marker for CFS if there

> aren't a whole lot of other illnesses that result in an acidic urine.

>

> I understand that saliva is alkaline, stomach acidic and small intestine is

alkaline again. So, I think the right PH throughout the body is very important.

I did get my urine to a PH balance of 7,

> which is neutral, but never higher.

>

> He also told me that when the body starts to do its final breakdown, the urine

turns alkaline. So, if it is any consolation, we aren't breaking down, just shut

down.

>

> Merle

>

> Lynn wrote:

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<I think we should be careful not to assume something old-fashioned

and natural is okay and that we are all similar in what our guts need

re acidity.>>

Hi Judith!

This is an excellent point that you make. In talking to different

board certified alternative practitioners, one thing that I have

noticed is that they are treating each patient individually--they are

not utilizing the cookie cutter approach.

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 4

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:41:51 -0400

From: Judith F Wisdom <judithwisdom@...>

Subject: Re: Re: APPLE CIDER VINEGAR - Good or Bad?

I am not sure that we can assume we are low on acid in our guts.

Unless there's something new about this since I was up on it I was

told by a very gut-smart doc of CFS that there is considerable

variability, and even from the upper gut to the lower. I once had a

test (forget its name--good name!) where you have to swallow a capsule

attached to a string and let it go through the gut (it took a long

time) and they then

pull it out and it supposedly told the doc which part of my gut was

acidic and which part not, and in me there was enough variation

between upper and lower to require an approach if I wanted to treat it

, which could distinguish.

I don't know enuf (hardly a thing!) about gut acidity control but my

" gut " (sorry) instinct is that ACV will affect upper and lower.

Between that and the concern of many of us re vinegar being bad (as a

fermented product) for candidiasis, I've long been unwilling to use

it, even though I love home remedies (as a response to the arrogance

of expensive high-tech medicine).

I think we should be careful not to assume something old-fashioned and

natural is okay and that we are all similar in what our guts need re

acidity.

Opinion, not my experience with ACV or reading studies.

Judith W

[Guest guest]

Hi! Chris

Jim's post said the colon was slightly acidic, which is my understanding also.

I don't have any information on blood PH. If I can find the original test

results, I'll post them.

Obviously, if the Doctor who had CFS couldn't cure himself, he wasn't going to

do me much good, so I only saw him once for the tests (1997). For what it is

worth, he felt removing mercury fillings was

the best route to take and as a lot of posts have indicated, that hasn't cured

CFS.

I really would like to see posts of saliva, blood and urine PH, when CFS'ers

have tests done. If there is a definite trend, it would help individuals

determine where they are at.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. It has only been trial and error that has

produced any results at all.

Merle

Niestepski wrote:

> Hello, Merle:

>

> When you get a chance, could you ask your doc about the large intestine's pH,

and which the blood most closely is supposed to correspond to, if any section in

particular. So far, your string of

> stuff makes the most sense. I have acidic saliva and urine, which is opposite

of what they're supposed to be.

>

> - CDN

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Merle!

Digestive changes? The ACV kills my heartburn, for which I'm

grateful. And I'm losing weight - maybe thanks to the ACV.

I don't have bloating... my gut alternates a few days of diarrhea

with a few days normal and a touch of constipation, irrespective of

what I eat. It's still doing its thing.

-Lynn