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> We will be starting on TMG next week. I'm just wondering if

any

> of you use this.

I will copy my reply here from the other list.

I tried TMG with two of my children with language delays. I had heard

it really helps some kids with language. But with my kids, one of

them got sooooo sick I thought I would have to take him to the

hospital. I started on 1/2 the recommended dose, but I stopped after

two days. Then the next week I tried again, at 1/4 the recommended

dose, same problems. So I would recommend you start with a very small

dose, like 1/4 the recommended dose, just to be sure your child can

tolerate it.

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Hi Dana, what about DMG? I am trying DMG with my son , who is

non-verbal. He was saying about 100 words between the ages of 1 and 4 but

then gradually lost them all. He is now 8 years old. I would be

interested in hearing from anyone who tried DMG.

(Pickering, Ontario)

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> We will be starting on TMG next week. I'm just wondering if

any

> of you use this.

I will copy my reply here from the other list.

I tried TMG with two of my children with language delays. I had heard

it really helps some kids with language. But with my kids, one of

them got sooooo sick I thought I would have to take him to the

hospital. I started on 1/2 the recommended dose, but I stopped after

two days. Then the next week I tried again, at 1/4 the recommended

dose, same problems. So I would recommend you start with a very small

dose, like 1/4 the recommended dose, just to be sure your child can

tolerate it.

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I would be

> interested in hearing from anyone who tried DMG.

>

I tried DMG, the little tablets that dissolve under the tongue or in

your mouth, and my older son reacted very badly. I tried it 3

different times. His reaction is a noticeable pathetic whining and

wailing like a wounded animal. Younger son didn't react positive or

negative. My kids always had language so that may be one reason it

wasn't needed. But keep an eye open. Some kids who react to the DMG

do better on the TMG and vice versa.

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> Hi Dana, what about DMG? I am trying DMG with my son , who

is

> non-verbal. He was saying about 100 words between the ages of 1 and

4 but

> then gradually lost them all. He is now 8 years old. I would be

> interested in hearing from anyone who tried DMG.

I never tried DMG so I don't know. But because of my one child's

reaction to TMG, I would not want to consider the DMG. I would just

recommend you give about 1/4 dose at first, and then work up if your

son tolerates it. Then give it for about a month, to see if your son

would benefit from it.

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My son sounds a lot like yours. He is on Thera Nu Condensed (close to

SuperNu Thera, but a lot less powder to get down a 2 year old),

Peptizyde and Zyme Prime. I have ordered the TMG liquid w/folic acid

and B12. I hope the liquid goes into milk etc, as I know he won't

take anymore syringes full of yucky stuff. He already has enough of

those! I won't start the TMG for a couple weeks however, I want him

to be on enzymes for a while first. I also have a RX for Nystatin I

have to work in somewhere too. Ugh. Too many things to try. Poor

little fella, I hope none of this stuff hurts my little boy. Let me

know how you are doing!

Becky

> We will be starting on TMG next week. I'm just wondering if

any

> of you use this. Our DAN dr. said that with most kids, words

starts

> coming after they're on TMG. That makes me a little excited! He

is

> taking EnzymAid & SuperNuThera now. Tomorrow I will start him on

EFA

> powder...I have no idea how am I going to put that in his food!

>

> Anyway, any info about these stuff would be great!

>

> TIA,

> yhen

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We have on both P5P and TMG. The two seem to work together very well

for . He was non verbal until three days after stopping dairy products

when he identified four numbers verbally in front of my 'very negative to the

diet' mother who nearly died of shock!! Now of course she is completely

converted having nearly had me locked away for insanity! We then put

on P5P to start with and found his speech increased quite a lot. Once we

added TMG with folic acid, about a month later, we saw such a change in him.

It is certainly not just speech but EVERYTHING. His eye contact, his

awareness to the world, his humour, his concentration etc etc. When we ran

out of TMG the other week it was horrendous and we are under no doubt that

the TMG works for him. We also made a daily log to record improvements.

This has played an important part in his official diagnosis which he received

last week.

One tip I would give anyone starting on P5P or TMG is take it slowly. We

only added 1 ml every few days until reaching the level required. This way

we were able to establish ' maximum dosage by his reactions and also we

felt it gave the body and also time to adjust as he acted as though he

was seeing the world through new eyes for the first time (the pre school

teachers words not mine).

Good luck all, hope you have as much luck as we did.

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What is P5P and how do you get it? What is it supposed to do for the system?

Thanks.

Joan

Re: [ ] Re: TMG

We have on both P5P and TMG. The two seem to work together very well

for . He was non verbal until three days after stopping dairy products

when he identified four numbers verbally in front of my 'very negative to the

diet' mother who nearly died of shock!! Now of course she is completely

converted having nearly had me locked away for insanity! We then put

on P5P to start with and found his speech increased quite a lot. Once we

added TMG with folic acid, about a month later, we saw such a change in him.

It is certainly not just speech but EVERYTHING. His eye contact, his

awareness to the world, his humour, his concentration etc etc. When we ran

out of TMG the other week it was horrendous and we are under no doubt that

the TMG works for him. We also made a daily log to record improvements.

This has played an important part in his official diagnosis which he received

last week.

One tip I would give anyone starting on P5P or TMG is take it slowly. We

only added 1 ml every few days until reaching the level required. This way

we were able to establish ' maximum dosage by his reactions and also we

felt it gave the body and also time to adjust as he acted as though he

was seeing the world through new eyes for the first time (the pre school

teachers words not mine).

Good luck all, hope you have as much luck as we did.

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Apologies to Rhonda and Joan,

Rhonda is quite right but you threw me. I hadn't realised that your heading

was about TMG but the question you asked me was about P5P. These are two

seperate things of course, either way if you want to clarify contents

www.kirkmanlabs.com will have the details.

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Hi Joan,

TMG is NOT a mega vitamin with high concentrations of B6. TMG stands

for Trimethylglycine, an amino acid. I believe the product

is referring to is Super-Nu-Thera, also sold by Kirkmans, which is a

high dose multi-vitamin. They do have some good articles on the use

of TMG, but I wanted to clarify that TMG is not a multi-vitamin. It

has seemed to help with expressive language and communication for my

son.

Rhonda

> Joan,

>

> It is large dose vitamins including B6 I think which is supposed to

help

> communication. If you go to WWW.Kirkmanlabs.com they have a good

site which

> will give you all of the details.

>

>

>

>

>

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My daughter took TMG with good results (1/4 tsp 2-3 times a day)

before she started Houston enzymes. Then on enzymes she started

getting a rash that I was advised was from too much vit B absorption

so we cut back on the TMG until we wound up eliminating it without

any regression. A couple of months ago I decided to reintroduce it at

a very small dose (1/8 tsp max) a couple times a day and had

excellent results. We saw mood improvement, better attention span and

she has seemed to get fewer colds so I think it boosted her immune

system. I have not tried/don't plan to increase the dose.

---

In , hugsfam5@c... wrote:

> My son has been on 2 caps of TMG for a very long time with no

verbal benefits

> noted (I was told it was to help him verbally if at all). I'm

taking him off

> it for a few days to see if there is any other reason to continue.

It's been

> recommended for me to keep increasing the dosage as some children

get very

> high dosages of TMG before seeing benefits. I'm not sure if I

should try that

> or not. Anyone with TMG experiences they can share?

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Michele

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TMG and B12 are both part of what is called " one carbon metabolism " . A

folic acid derivative (5-methyl-tetrahydrofolate) donates a methyl group

(which is 3 hydrogens bonded to a carbon) to homocysteine to form

methionine. Methionine is part of a number of pathways involved in DNA

repair and synthesis, methylation of phospholipids and membrane

fluidity, neurotransmitter function, etc. Usually, vitamin B12 is

utilized to transfer the methyl group from folate to homcysteine to form

methionine. An alternative but less common pathway is the utilization of

TMG as the methyl donor to homocysteine to form methionine. Another word

for TMG is betaine. Thus, if the B12 cycle is abnormal for some reason,

supplementation with TMG can compensate.

Homocysteine is also converted via several reactions to glutathione.

Vitamin B6 and magnesium are needed for one of the steps in this pathway.

Valentina Scharpf wrote:

>>Then on enzymes she started

>>getting a rash that I was advised was from too much vit B absorption

>>so we cut back on the TMG until we wound up eliminating it without

>>any regression.

>>

>>

>

>Am I missing something here?

>What's the connection between TMG and the B vitamins?

>I mean are you saying that TMG is a B vitamin?

>Can you please explain? I don't understand...

>

>

>Valentina

>

>

>

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Sorry...the TMG also has folic acid and vit B in it. This is a

Kirkman mix. We had already eliminated the Super Nu Thera and

thought that would get rid of enough B, but apparently even the

lesser amount in the TMG caused a reaction. It is apparently because

the enzymes cause a higher level of absorbtion.

---

In , Valentina Scharpf <val@t...> wrote:

> > Then on enzymes she started

> > getting a rash that I was advised was from too much vit B

absorption

> > so we cut back on the TMG until we wound up eliminating it without

> > any regression.

>

> Am I missing something here?

> What's the connection between TMG and the B vitamins?

> I mean are you saying that TMG is a B vitamin?

> Can you please explain? I don't understand...

>

>

> Valentina

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Sallie,

>Message: 25

> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:12:46 -0600

> From: Sallie Bernard <sbernard@...>

>Subject: Re: Re: TMG

>

>TMG and B12 are both part of what is called " one carbon metabolism " . A

>folic acid derivative (5-methyl-tetrahydrofolate) donates a methyl group

>(which is 3 hydrogens bonded to a carbon) to homocysteine to form

>methionine. Methionine is part of a number of pathways involved in DNA

>repair and synthesis, methylation of phospholipids and membrane

>fluidity, neurotransmitter function, etc. Usually, vitamin B12 is

>utilized to transfer the methyl group from folate to homcysteine to form

>methionine. An alternative but less common pathway is the utilization of

>TMG as the methyl donor to homocysteine to form methionine. Another word

>for TMG is betaine. Thus, if the B12 cycle is abnormal for some reason,

>supplementation with TMG can compensate.

>

>

can or should?

>Homocysteine is also converted via several reactions to glutathione.

>Vitamin B6 and magnesium are needed for one of the steps in this pathway.

>

>

>

Thanks

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Betaine supplementation has been used for Down Syndrome, those with the

Down mutation (MTHFR gene), heart disease, and other

homocysteine-related diseases with success. It is being tested in

Angelman syndrome and Rett syndrome, but I don't believe the results are

in yet. These disorders result from abnormal methylation. The Autism

Research Institute tracks success (by parental report) of various

supplements for autism and I believe they say betaine helps in a good

percent of cases but certainly not all. So probably the words " should "

or " can " are both wrong and it should be " might " .

I also forgot to add that thimerosal, at very low concentrations, is a

potent inhibitor of the folate-homocysteine-methionine pathway.

wrote:

>Sallie,

>

>

>

>>Message: 25

>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:12:46 -0600

>> From: Sallie Bernard <sbernard@...>

>>Subject: Re: Re: TMG

>>

>>TMG and B12 are both part of what is called " one carbon metabolism " . A

>>folic acid derivative (5-methyl-tetrahydrofolate) donates a methyl group

>>(which is 3 hydrogens bonded to a carbon) to homocysteine to form

>>methionine. Methionine is part of a number of pathways involved in DNA

>>repair and synthesis, methylation of phospholipids and membrane

>>fluidity, neurotransmitter function, etc. Usually, vitamin B12 is

>>utilized to transfer the methyl group from folate to homcysteine to form

>>methionine. An alternative but less common pathway is the utilization of

>>TMG as the methyl donor to homocysteine to form methionine. Another word

>>for TMG is betaine. Thus, if the B12 cycle is abnormal for some reason,

>>supplementation with TMG can compensate.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>can or should?

>

>

>

>>Homocysteine is also converted via several reactions to glutathione.

>>Vitamin B6 and magnesium are needed for one of the steps in this pathway.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>Thanks

>

>Thanks

>

>

>

>

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> >Thus, if the B12 cycle is abnormal for some reason,

> >supplementation with TMG can compensate.

> >

> >

> can or should?

Can. But...

The enzyme that uses TMG to turn homocysteine into methionine exists mostly in

the liver and kidney.

The other enzyme (methionine synthase) that uses B12 and folate for the same

reaction is expressed in most tissues (less expressed in liver and kidneys),

including brain and heart.

So I guess even if TMG can compensate for the problem, I think you still have to

do something to stimulate the other pathway too (methionine synthase). I think

it's very important.

Valentina

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