Re: KAREN /RICH-Red Algae, Moducare, Mistletoe Ext.?

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In a message dated 4/17/2001 10:39:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

aohs@... writes:

<< The website that gives info. and some

research done on it is www.moducare.com. Supposedly, this product

taken daily will help shift your immune system from dominant Th2 to

healthy balance.

supposedly you

don't see much benefit from Moducare until you've taken it for 4-8

weeks. >>

I just wanted to say that sterinol by Moducare helped me immediately. I took

it when I was having a flare-up- which for me is feeling really fluish,

feverish, painful lymph nodes, and it really decreased these symptoms.

Within about an hour.

*But*, sterinol made me light-headed so I had to stop taking it. It

took about a week before the light headedness set in. I think my reaction

was very atypical. I have no idea why plant sterols would have made me light

headed and I don't think many people would have this problem with it.

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Dear ,

Aren't lont term high doses of vitamin A dangerous? My doctor thinks my

elevated liver functions were from vitamin A toxidity, and i was only taking

a health store multi vitamin with lots of A.

Judy

KAREN /RICH-Red Algae, Moducare, Mistletoe

Ext.?

> ,

> I started taking " natural beta-carotene " trademark is Betatene. It

> is a carotenoid product derived from Dunaliella salina algae(or D.

> salina)grown in Australia. Contains at least 5% mixed carotenoids.

> It was recommended by the researchers who wrote the book, " The

> Immune System Cure " by Lorna R. Vanderhaeghe and J.D. Bouic,

> PhD. They basically stated very similar theory as Cheney about many

> of the chronic conditions like CFIDS, cancer, HIV/AIDS folks having

> a Th2 dominant immune system.

>

> In the book, they talk about Vit. A:

> " Vitamin A is a clear immune booster. If you are deficient in this

> vitamin, you will be prone to infections, especially colds and flus.

> Wounds will not heal as quickly, including stomach ulcers. Vitamin

> A has two very important functions relating to the immune system:

> it normalizes cell division and helps mucous membranes maintain their

> structural integrity to keep invaders out.

>

> Vitamin A deficiency causes the thymus to shrink, resulting in an

> impaired immune system. With inadequate quantities of vitamin A in

> the body, antibody production will be reduced and T-cells will not

> be able to fight invaders. So important is this nutrient to our

> immune system that deficiencies have been associated with higher

> death rates in those with infections(don't get scared, folks-just a

> quote). One study involving AIDS patients found that when vitamin A

> blood levels were low, helper T-cell levels were also low. With

> supplementation of vitamin A, helper T-cells increased along with a

> subsequent improvement in immune function....

>

> One caveat of vitamin A use is, in high doses of more that 50,000 IU

> daily over many years, toxicity can occur. Beta-carotene, a precursor

> to vitamin A, is a safer nutrient to be taken on a daily basis. "

>

> They had a list of supplements recommended for infections(if you're

> interested I can provide the exact amounts of each, but just listing

> each suppl. suggested here):

> Vit. C, Vit. A(high dose first day, then lower dose daily), high dose

> Vit.E, Selenium, high-potency vit. B complex, Zinc citrate(I could

> never find this form of zinc anywhere)so just used an amino acid

> chelate form of zinc instead, mg. glycinate, WELEDA ISCADOR(MISTLETOE)

> INJECTIONS-HAS ANYONE HEARD OF THIS AND IT'S POSSIBLE BENEFITS??,

> L. acidophilus powder, garlic caps, ALA, particular ratio of good

> EFA's(essential fatty acids), reduced L-glutathione, licorice root

> ext., and digestive enzymes at each meal.

>

> I started taking 50-75,000 IU's of this natural " red " algae source

> of beta-carotene since I have particular problems with infections

> involving the mucous membranes(sinuses, etc.). It's hard to know

> how much this one supplement helped, since I started taking several

> new things to try to get latest acute flare-up under control.

>

> One herbal extract that does seem to really help me when I have acute

> infectious flare-ups is olive leaf ext. Best to take in liquid extract

> form-I know that a company called HerbPharm carries it, there's lots

> of others(not trying to advocate this co.)

>

> I also am trying a product the researchers of this book from S. Africa

> developed, called " Moducare. " It has sterols and sterolins from pine

> and sometimes soy in a particular ratio(doesn't include isoflavones

> that can effect women's hormonal balances).

>

> Got a different form when I ordered it from a

> different distributor that derives these substances only from pine,

> if anyone's allergic to soy. The website that gives info. and some

> research done on it is www.moducare.com. Supposedly, this product

> taken daily will help shift your immune system from dominant Th2 to

> healthy balance. I've been on it for maybe 4-6 weeks in the midst of

> a serious acute infection, so hard to tell how much the Moducare or

> the beta-carotene helped, but I didn't seem to get that much better

> until I added some herbal ext. designed to assist immune system and

> kill off variety of pathogens(viruses, bacteria, fungus, etc.)like

> Olive leaf ext. to the other suppl. I was taking. But supposedly you

> don't see much benefit from Moducare until you've taken it for 4-8

> weeks. Also, not trying to push this product, just info. on something

> new I'm trying until I can find a doc who can help me with immune

> imbalances.

>

> Anyway, probably alot more than you ever wanted, but thought you or

> others might be interested in some of this info.

>

> Hope something in here's helpful. Since I have had almost non-stop

> acute infections for past several months as well as on-going sinus

> and other mucous membrane infections(just getting better from serious

> bronchitis/sinusitis bout). Also, have alot of gut problems. So, I am

> going to continue to take probably 50,000 IUs of the red algae

> beta-carotene since supposed to help mucous membranes and your body

> supposedly converts what it needs and excretes the rest, so don't

> have toxicity possibilities like with high dose Vit. A over period of

> time.

>

> Also, will continue to take all

> the suggested supplements this researcher recommended except Weleda

> Iscador(mistletoe) injections since I know nothing about it's

> pros/cons until I can find a regular doc who specializes in immune

> function and CFIDS.

>

> Maybe some of the brains in this group could comment on this

> researchers' statements and recommendations???

>

> Better health to you, !

> K.

>

>

> > Has anyone given any thought to trying Red Marine Algae or have you

> tried it?

> > I have been reading up on it and it sounds pretty promising as a

> good

> > anti-viral. I don't think anyone talks much about because they

> think it just

> > kills herpes viruses but my doctor said it kills many more viruses

> as well.

> > He mentioned EBV as one.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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In a message dated 4/18/01 9:21:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

melillo3@... writes:

<< I felt worse on Moducare when I tried 2 years ago and so did another person

on our list.

Al >>

I know I felt so much more terrible on Moducare, but everyone is different

with this illness. It made my immune system turn even more " on " and caused

me to feel really bad.

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In a message dated 4/18/01 1:42:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

baumelj@... writes:

<< Dear ,

Aren't lont term high doses of vitamin A dangerous? My doctor thinks my

elevated liver functions were from vitamin A toxidity, and i was only taking

a health store multi vitamin with lots of A.

Judy >>

Yes, Judy I think long term high doses are dangerous. I am very afraid of

Vitamin A for this reason. Did you get your elevated liver functions to come

down?

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KAREN /RICH-Red Algae, Moducare, Mistletoe

Ext.?

But supposedly you

> don't see much benefit from Moducare until you've taken it for 4-8

> weeks.

I've been taking Moducare for 3 months now. My allergies have decreased in

frequency of attack, but the severity of attach has gotten worse. But on the

bright side, I have had problems with picking up every cold and flu that

goes around for years. And a really nasty cold was going around here about a

month ago. My husband, who NEVER gets sick came down with it. But I didn't

get it. Either the Moducare is helping, which is a good thing, or my body is

starting to kick in with more RnaseL, which isn't a good thing.

lindaj@...

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I felt worse on Moducare when I tried 2 years ago and so did another person

on our list.

Al

>

> KAREN /RICH-Red Algae, Moducare, Mistletoe

> Ext.?

> But supposedly you

> > don't see much benefit from Moducare until you've taken it for 4-8

> > weeks.

>

> I've been taking Moducare for 3 months now. My allergies have decreased in

> frequency of attack, but the severity of attach has gotten worse. But on

the

> bright side, I have had problems with picking up every cold and flu that

> goes around for years. And a really nasty cold was going around here about

a

> month ago. My husband, who NEVER gets sick came down with it. But I didn't

> get it. Either the Moducare is helping, which is a good thing, or my body

is

> starting to kick in with more RnaseL, which isn't a good thing.

>

>

> lindaj@...

>

>

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Yes , I dont know if it was from that but I stopped all supplements for

six weeks and everything was back to normal. Now I keep away from A and D

and try to get it in food, taking only lots of C which comes out in the

urine, B12, folic acid, iron, calcium and a B complex. I am also adding a

small dose of Magnesium and Zinc balance, but am keeping away from those

things which may be toxic.

Judy

Re: KAREN /RICH-Red Algae, Moducare, Mistletoe

Ext.?

> In a message dated 4/18/01 1:42:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> baumelj@... writes:

>

> << Dear ,

> Aren't lont term high doses of vitamin A dangerous? My doctor thinks my

> elevated liver functions were from vitamin A toxidity, and i was only

taking

> a health store multi vitamin with lots of A.

> Judy >>

>

> Yes, Judy I think long term high doses are dangerous. I am very afraid of

> Vitamin A for this reason. Did you get your elevated liver functions to

come

> down?

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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In a message dated 4/17/01 10:39:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

aohs@... writes:

<< ,

I started taking " natural beta-carotene " trademark is Betatene. It

is a carotenoid product derived from Dunaliella salina algae(or D.

salina)grown in Australia. Contains at least 5% mixed carotenoids.

It was recommended by the researchers who wrote the book, " The

Immune System Cure " by Lorna R. Vanderhaeghe and J.D. Bouic,

PhD. They basically stated very similar theory as Cheney about many

of the chronic conditions like CFIDS, cancer, HIV/AIDS folks having

a Th2 dominant immune system.

In the book, they talk about Vit. A:

" Vitamin A is a clear immune booster. If you are deficient in this

vitamin, you will be prone to infections, especially colds and flus.

Wounds will not heal as quickly, including stomach ulcers. Vitamin

A has two very important functions relating to the immune system:

it normalizes cell division and helps mucous membranes maintain their

structural integrity to keep invaders out.

Vitamin A deficiency causes the thymus to shrink, resulting in an

impaired immune system. With inadequate quantities of vitamin A in

the body, antibody production will be reduced and T-cells will not

be able to fight invaders. So important is this nutrient to our

immune system that deficiencies have been associated with higher

death rates in those with infections(don't get scared, folks-just a

quote). One study involving AIDS patients found that when vitamin A

blood levels were low, helper T-cell levels were also low. With

supplementation of vitamin A, helper T-cells increased along with a

subsequent improvement in immune function....

One caveat of vitamin A use is, in high doses of more that 50,000 IU

daily over many years, toxicity can occur. Beta-carotene, a precursor

to vitamin A, is a safer nutrient to be taken on a daily basis. "

They had a list of supplements recommended for infections(if you're

interested I can provide the exact amounts of each, but just listing

each suppl. suggested here):

Vit. C, Vit. A(high dose first day, then lower dose daily), high dose

Vit.E, Selenium, high-potency vit. B complex, Zinc citrate(I could

never find this form of zinc anywhere)so just used an amino acid

chelate form of zinc instead, mg. glycinate, WELEDA ISCADOR(MISTLETOE)

INJECTIONS-HAS ANYONE HEARD OF THIS AND IT'S POSSIBLE BENEFITS??,

L. acidophilus powder, garlic caps, ALA, particular ratio of good

EFA's(essential fatty acids), reduced L-glutathione, licorice root

ext., and digestive enzymes at each meal.

I started taking 50-75,000 IU's of this natural " red " algae source

of beta-carotene since I have particular problems with infections

involving the mucous membranes(sinuses, etc.). It's hard to know

how much this one supplement helped, since I started taking several

new things to try to get latest acute flare-up under control.

One herbal extract that does seem to really help me when I have acute

infectious flare-ups is olive leaf ext. Best to take in liquid extract

form-I know that a company called HerbPharm carries it, there's lots

of others(not trying to advocate this co.)

I also am trying a product the researchers of this book from S. Africa

developed, called " Moducare. " It has sterols and sterolins from pine

and sometimes soy in a particular ratio(doesn't include isoflavones

that can effect women's hormonal balances).

Got a different form when I ordered it from a

different distributor that derives these substances only from pine,

if anyone's allergic to soy. The website that gives info. and some

research done on it is www.moducare.com. Supposedly, this product

taken daily will help shift your immune system from dominant Th2 to

healthy balance. I've been on it for maybe 4-6 weeks in the midst of

a serious acute infection, so hard to tell how much the Moducare or

the beta-carotene helped, but I didn't seem to get that much better

until I added some herbal ext. designed to assist immune system and

kill off variety of pathogens(viruses, bacteria, fungus, etc.)like

Olive leaf ext. to the other suppl. I was taking. But supposedly you

don't see much benefit from Moducare until you've taken it for 4-8

weeks. Also, not trying to push this product, just info. on something

new I'm trying until I can find a doc who can help me with immune

imbalances.

Anyway, probably alot more than you ever wanted, but thought you or

others might be interested in some of this info.

Hope something in here's helpful. Since I have had almost non-stop

acute infections for past several months as well as on-going sinus

and other mucous membrane infections(just getting better from serious

bronchitis/sinusitis bout). Also, have alot of gut problems. So, I am

going to continue to take probably 50,000 IUs of the red algae

beta-carotene since supposed to help mucous membranes and your body

supposedly converts what it needs and excretes the rest, so don't

have toxicity possibilities like with high dose Vit. A over period of

time.

Also, will continue to take all

the suggested supplements this researcher recommended except Weleda

Iscador(mistletoe) injections since I know nothing about it's

pros/cons until I can find a regular doc who specializes in immune

function and CFIDS.

Maybe some of the brains in this group could comment on this

researchers' statements and recommendations???

Better health to you, !

K. >>

Hello K, thank you so much for posting all of this information. I am so

sorry about your non-stop infections. I bet the Moducare with help with

that. I know someone who had constant infections and took Moducare and it

did wonders. Me on the other hand, I never get " infections " -(the runny nose

kind, etc) so the Moducare made me feel terrible. I am on the olive leaf

extract now as well so we will see how that goes. I get really sick to my

stomach every time I take, like I have to throw up or something. Maybe I

should take it with more food. Thank you again for all the info on Red

Algae, I might try it. karen

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> In a message dated 4/17/01 10:39:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> aohs@a... writes:

>

> << ,

> > One herbal extract that does seem to really help me when I have

acute

> infectious flare-ups is olive leaf ext. Best to take in liquid

extract

> form-I know that a company called HerbPharm carries it, there's

lots

> of others(not trying to advocate this co.).....

>

> I've been on it(Moducare) for maybe 4-6 weeks in the midst of

> a serious acute infection, so hard to tell how much the Moducare

or

> the beta-carotene helped, but I didn't seem to get that much better

> until I added some herbal ext. designed to assist immune system and

> kill off variety of pathogens(viruses, bacteria, fungus, etc.)like

> Olive leaf ext. to the other suppl. I was taking. But supposedly

you don't see much benefit from Moducare until you've taken it for 4-8

weeks.

>

> Hope something in here's helpful. Since I have had almost non-stop

> acute infections for past several months as well as on-going sinus

> and other mucous membrane infections(just getting better from

serious bronchitis/sinusitis bout). Also, have alot of gut problems.

So, I am going to continue to take probably 50,000 IUs of the red

algae beta-carotene since supposed to help mucous membranes and your

body supposedly converts what it needs and excretes the rest, so

don't have toxicity possibilities like with high dose Vit. A over

period of time.

>

>Hello K, thank you so much for posting all of this information. I

am so

> sorry about your non-stop infections. I bet the Moducare with help

with

> that. I know someone who had constant infections and took Moducare

and it

> did wonders. Me on the other hand, I never get " infections " -(the

runny nose

> kind, etc) so the Moducare made me feel terrible. I am on the

olive leaf

> extract now as well so we will see how that goes. I get really

sick to my

> stomach every time I take, like I have to throw up or something.

Maybe I

> should take it with more food. Thank you again for all the info on

Red

> Algae, I might try it. karen

,

Good luck with the new suppl. Hope they really help you. Don't know

if this is helpful re: olive leaf ext. making you feel sick to your

stomach. Do you take it full strength-drops right into your mouth?

or do you put so many drops in 2-4 oz. of water and drink it?

3 ideas: (1)decrease # of drops at a time and work your way up to the

proposed dosage; (2) take decreased # of drops more times a day;

(3) take same or decreased dosage in 2-4 oz. of water and drink

slowly right before you eat a meal. As I understand it, most herbs

are more effective on an empty stomach in 2-4 oz. of H2O and then

waiting a few minutes before eating or drinking anything, but if it

is too unbearable re: the nausea, then the above are just some ideas.

You may have already

tried all of above and none worked, just wanted to throw them out

there to see if they help. The other thing that's helped me with

nausea is ginger root tea(also have it in cap form). Some people

take it for car sickness. Peppermint and ginger tea are often used

for " calming your stomach teas. "

Just to encourage you, the info. I've read on olive leaf ext. seems

to indicate that it's very effective at killing bacteria, viruses,

fungus without wiping out the good bacteria, so hope it helps you.

I used it last year and this year in combo with some other herbs and

it seemed to be the turning point as to when I began to get better

both times, so it's a regular part of my arsenal when have acute

flare-ups.

One thing I didn't learn until used herbs a long time, was

that most herbs remain more effective if you use them for 6 days on

and 1 day off or for maybe 2-3 weeks on and 1 week off. Have you

discussed on and off schedule?

Most herbs will tend to lose their

effectiveness if used continually with no " off " time. Can ask some of

the herb companies I deal with about this issue for olive leaf ext.

Some herbs can be used continuously for longer periods than others.

I also have a book on olive leaf, so I'll check to see if they give

any info. on that. Your doc may be up on that issue, so maybe you

already know, but others might be interested in this so that they

had this info. if they decide to use this herb themselves.

Could you share with us how your doc recommended you take the olive

leaf ext.-so many drops in water or directly in mouth or caps, how

many times a day, for how many days/weeks? Any on/off schedule?

Thanks so much, , and good luck with healing your gut! If you

find combo that really helps your gut improve, let us know. I've

wrestled with this problem for yrs. with limited results. Does your

doc have you on anything else to kill off " bugs " in your gut and

rebalance the flora?

Better health, , and others!

K.