STEPHEN/RICH/OTHERS-COLOSTRUM-Th1/Th2?

[Guest guest]

Hi, , Rich and knowledgeable others re: what type treatments

and substances push us already over-activated Th2 types further

in that direction rather than being a Th2 to Th1 " shifter? " Am taking

regular New Zealand colostrum caps(3, 2X/day) and US colostrum that

has a higher percentage of IgG(30% vs. 15-22%)since I test low in

all IgG subclasses(10 caps, 2X/day since got serious upper

respiratory infection. See brief history below.

Has anyone heard Dr. Cheney or any knowledgeable folks versed in the

Th1/Th2 imbalances present in many of us if colostrum affects this

imbalance in a positive or negative direction? Particularly at higher

doses than usual(see doses above). I have no medical help to try to

dig out of this hole, so I tried several things to see what worked.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INFO. RE: IF COLOSTRUM

POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY AFFECTS THIS TH1/TH2 IMBALANCE.

FOR SYNOPSIS OF WHY I STARTED TAKING THE COLOSTRUM, SEE BRIEF HISTORY

BELOW.

I have had serious upper respiratory infections for past 4 months

with a 3 week remission in the middle. Last year had upper

respiratory infection go quickly into pneumonia(probably myco.

pneumonia). Not certain, but highly likely.

My immune function is SERIOUSLY diminished by allergies which

unfortunately my city is one of the worst in the

country for. So, particularly vulnerable from mid-Dec. through May

and other periods of the year as well.

Since last yr. when got this strange pneumonia(never had pneumonia

before), now I seem particularly susceptible to every " flu " or

reactivation going into serious upper respiratory infection heading

toward bronchitis and pneumonia.

I tried all the herbs, supplements, etc. that worked last year with

pneumonia, but didn't work this year, so I tried a different tack

as desperation set in. I'm deficient in all classes of IgG, so

infections of mucus membranes/gut are chronic. Chronic mucus

membrane infections supposedly helped by colostrum, but it also has

some IGF-1 and growth factors in it, so concerned that I might be

pushing my immune system further out of balance toward over-

activation of Th2, which I know is a bad thing.

Won't have any compotent medical input for up to 6-7 months as I wait

to see Cheney, so I'm on my own until then. Been sick for about 14

yrs., so I have to be careful about not doing anything that makes

my condition worse since have been housebound for most of last 2-3

years.

APPRECIATE SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU FOLKS THAT ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE

THAN I AM IN THIS AREA.

Be well!!

K.

[Guest guest]

HGH will shift you further towards the unwanted TH2. I don't know what else

does but would guess that some steroids may also be bad.

STEPHEN/RICH/OTHERS-COLOSTRUM-Th1/Th2?

> Hi, , Rich and knowledgeable others re: what type treatments

> and substances push us already over-activated Th2 types further

> in that direction rather than being a Th2 to Th1 " shifter? " Am taking

> regular New Zealand colostrum caps(3, 2X/day) and US colostrum that

> has a higher percentage of IgG(30% vs. 15-22%)since I test low in

> all IgG subclasses(10 caps, 2X/day since got serious upper

> respiratory infection. See brief history below.

>

> Has anyone heard Dr. Cheney or any knowledgeable folks versed in the

> Th1/Th2 imbalances present in many of us if colostrum affects this

> imbalance in a positive or negative direction? Particularly at higher

> doses than usual(see doses above). I have no medical help to try to

> dig out of this hole, so I tried several things to see what worked.

>

> PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INFO. RE: IF COLOSTRUM

> POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY AFFECTS THIS TH1/TH2 IMBALANCE.

>

> FOR SYNOPSIS OF WHY I STARTED TAKING THE COLOSTRUM, SEE BRIEF HISTORY

> BELOW.

>

> I have had serious upper respiratory infections for past 4 months

> with a 3 week remission in the middle. Last year had upper

> respiratory infection go quickly into pneumonia(probably myco.

> pneumonia). Not certain, but highly likely.

>

> My immune function is SERIOUSLY diminished by allergies which

> unfortunately my city is one of the worst in the

> country for. So, particularly vulnerable from mid-Dec. through May

> and other periods of the year as well.

>

> Since last yr. when got this strange pneumonia(never had pneumonia

> before), now I seem particularly susceptible to every " flu " or

> reactivation going into serious upper respiratory infection heading

> toward bronchitis and pneumonia.

>

> I tried all the herbs, supplements, etc. that worked last year with

> pneumonia, but didn't work this year, so I tried a different tack

> as desperation set in. I'm deficient in all classes of IgG, so

> infections of mucus membranes/gut are chronic. Chronic mucus

> membrane infections supposedly helped by colostrum, but it also has

> some IGF-1 and growth factors in it, so concerned that I might be

> pushing my immune system further out of balance toward over-

> activation of Th2, which I know is a bad thing.

>

> Won't have any compotent medical input for up to 6-7 months as I wait

> to see Cheney, so I'm on my own until then. Been sick for about 14

> yrs., so I have to be careful about not doing anything that makes

> my condition worse since have been housebound for most of last 2-3

> years.

>

> APPRECIATE SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU FOLKS THAT ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE

> THAN I AM IN THIS AREA.

>

> Be well!!

> K.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear K.,

While I don't have a reference for this, I would be very surprised if

colostrum would shift the immune response either to Th1 or to Th2. My

reasoning is as follows: Colostrum is fed by cows to calves (or by

human mothers to human babies, etc.). Its role is to help the newborn

to develop a competent immune system. A competent immune system has a

proper balance between Th1 and Th2, because both are needed to defend

against the variety of infections that the newborn could encounter.

Thus, I think that colostrum must encourage a balance between Th1 and

Th2. I haven't read or heard this anywhere, but that's how it seems

to me.

I don't know what supplements you have tried, but vitamin C and

glutathione are very important in the lungs. Glutathione is best

built up by taking nondenatured whey protein and alpha lipoic acid.

The other nutrients known to be needed by the immune system are

Vitamins A and E, zinc and selenium.

Rich

> Hi, , Rich and knowledgeable others re: what type treatments

> and substances push us already over-activated Th2 types further

> in that direction rather than being a Th2 to Th1 " shifter? " Am

taking

> regular New Zealand colostrum caps(3, 2X/day) and US colostrum that

> has a higher percentage of IgG(30% vs. 15-22%)since I test low in

> all IgG subclasses(10 caps, 2X/day since got serious upper

> respiratory infection. See brief history below.

>

> Has anyone heard Dr. Cheney or any knowledgeable folks versed in the

> Th1/Th2 imbalances present in many of us if colostrum affects this

> imbalance in a positive or negative direction? Particularly at

higher

> doses than usual(see doses above). I have no medical help to try to

> dig out of this hole, so I tried several things to see what worked.

>

> PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INFO. RE: IF COLOSTRUM

> POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY AFFECTS THIS TH1/TH2 IMBALANCE.

>

> FOR SYNOPSIS OF WHY I STARTED TAKING THE COLOSTRUM, SEE BRIEF

HISTORY

> BELOW.

>

> I have had serious upper respiratory infections for past 4 months

> with a 3 week remission in the middle. Last year had upper

> respiratory infection go quickly into pneumonia(probably myco.

> pneumonia). Not certain, but highly likely.

>

> My immune function is SERIOUSLY diminished by allergies which

> unfortunately my city is one of the worst in the

> country for. So, particularly vulnerable from mid-Dec. through May

> and other periods of the year as well.

>

> Since last yr. when got this strange pneumonia(never had pneumonia

> before), now I seem particularly susceptible to every " flu " or

> reactivation going into serious upper respiratory infection heading

> toward bronchitis and pneumonia.

>

> I tried all the herbs, supplements, etc. that worked last year with

> pneumonia, but didn't work this year, so I tried a different tack

> as desperation set in. I'm deficient in all classes of IgG, so

> infections of mucus membranes/gut are chronic. Chronic mucus

> membrane infections supposedly helped by colostrum, but it also has

> some IGF-1 and growth factors in it, so concerned that I might be

> pushing my immune system further out of balance toward over-

> activation of Th2, which I know is a bad thing.

>

> Won't have any compotent medical input for up to 6-7 months as I

wait

> to see Cheney, so I'm on my own until then. Been sick for about 14

> yrs., so I have to be careful about not doing anything that makes

> my condition worse since have been housebound for most of last 2-3

> years.

>

> APPRECIATE SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU FOLKS THAT ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE

> THAN I AM IN THIS AREA.

>

> Be well!!

> K.

[Guest guest]

> [snip]

>

> > I don't know what supplements you have tried, but vitamin C and

> > glutathione are very important in the lungs. Glutathione is best

> > built up by taking nondenatured whey protein and alpha lipoic acid.

>

> If still have amalgam fillings and ALA is bad to take, then what [if

> any]

> effect does the whey have on the mercury in body and teeth? thanks MA

Ann,

This may sound like heresy, but I'm not sure that it's true that one has to get

rid of amalgam fillings before one can detox mercury from the body. It seems to

me that the rate of release of mercury from fillings would be independent of

detoxing mercury from the body. Many people who have normal detox systems live

with mercury fillings their whole lives, with no apparent problems from them.

I still don't think I understand mercury detoxing well enough to take a hard and

fast position on it. I have read some very strongly expressed opinions from

people who have had different personal experiences, namely Andy Cutler and Ray

Saarela. It seems that it doesn't work the same for everyone. I don't have a

personal experience with mercury detox myself, but it seems to me that trying to

stay close to the body's natural detox methods would be the safest approach

until more is understood about it. The body's natural method of mercury detox

involves glutathione. Therefore, it seems to me that building glutathione by

the most natural approach would be the best. If nondenatured whey protein alone

will do it for an individual who has a high mercury load, that would seem to me

to be the best. If it won't work, as seems to be the case for many people, who

go high in cysteine but don't seem to be able to build glutathione this way,

then I think Jeff 's approach of simply taking glycine and glutamic acid,

or perhaps glycine and glutamine for those who don't do well on glutamic acid,

may be the best. I do think that over time it will be possible to get the

mercury out, even with fillings still in place. Depending on the relative rates

of excretion and release from fillings, however, it may take longer to get the

mercury out if fillings are still in place. I have a lot to learn about this

subject.

Rich

[Guest guest]

I would definitely add Transfer Factor, since no-one seems to have

mentioned it. It seemed to do many things for me that were similar to the

result of IGG injections, although it works totally differently and in many

ways opposite. I believe it is likely to shift to TH1.

n

At 22:32 09/04/01, you wrote:

>Hi, , Rich and knowledgeable others re: what type treatments

>and substances push us already over-activated Th2 types further

>in that direction rather than being a Th2 to Th1 " shifter? " Am taking

>regular New Zealand colostrum caps(3, 2X/day) and US colostrum that

>has a higher percentage of IgG(30% vs. 15-22%)since I test low in

>all IgG subclasses(10 caps, 2X/day since got serious upper

>respiratory infection. See brief history below.

[Guest guest]

n,

Cheney recommends TF560 to help shift away from Th2. Steve B.

Re: STEPHEN/RICH/OTHERS-COLOSTRUM-Th1/Th2?

> I would definitely add Transfer Factor, since no-one seems to have

> mentioned it. It seemed to do many things for me that were similar to the

> result of IGG injections, although it works totally differently and in

many

> ways opposite. I believe it is likely to shift to TH1.

>

> n

>

> At 22:32 09/04/01, you wrote:

> >Hi, , Rich and knowledgeable others re: what type treatments

> >and substances push us already over-activated Th2 types further

> >in that direction rather than being a Th2 to Th1 " shifter? " Am taking

> >regular New Zealand colostrum caps(3, 2X/day) and US colostrum that

> >has a higher percentage of IgG(30% vs. 15-22%)since I test low in

> >all IgG subclasses(10 caps, 2X/day since got serious upper

> >respiratory infection. See brief history below.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>